Theories on Propulsion used by U.F.O's

Tate

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Where to begin, Maybe with the use of Exotic matter or Maybe they used Earth biased elements. Has anyone ever had the Thought that they might be able to maneuver Better than our craft. Because they are from this planet and have had more time on earth, Than we have as a species collectively?

Nah, That would be too much. Instead, i will stick with a U.F.O is most like Extra-Terrestrial in origin. Just as an Assumption. Working with this Assumption allows for creativity of thought.

If they are using Exotic Matter or easily found Matter in the universe, Which type of matter would they use? it would have to be collected in large quantities and easily accessible.

I mean we could start with Dark Matter and work our way down. Would and could an Extra-Terrestrial be able to go outside of what we call reality to collect fuel for it's craft. Seems a bit much too do. Everytime you need fuel.

Let's go with Plasma As a fuel source. I mean i have seen pictures of them syphoning plasma from Our sun Sol. If this is the case they would have to stop at every GV2 or Yellow Dwarf. Which in our case seems to be hard to do. We are located in an isolated spot basically.

The Sun's mass consists of hydrogen (~73%); the rest is mostly helium (~25%), with much smaller quantities of heavier elements, including oxygen, carbon, neon, and iron.[19]. All of these elements are native to Earth as far as i know.

Basically, to put my rant into a nutshell i believe E.T's or Whom ever is piloting U.F.O's is using Hydrogen as a Fuel source since it is the most abundant in the universe to our knowledge.
 

Tate

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Sorry, I gave up half way through. Got to go cook supper, My med's have kicked in and another thread is on fire. lol. I will add more to this at a latter date there is more to be said about it as a subject in whole. Also, once i find a good picture to BBcode sight i will post pictures and videos to make it more immersive.
 

Shadowprophet

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I think I've mentioned this before, But, I believe a great deal of the power used by The UFO's that we see traveling at amazing speeds, May be using Time dilation,

A proven fact with Time dilation, The faster an object moves in relation to the speed of light, Time for the object slows down, SO, It's my theory they are literally not that fast, But instead use manipulation of gravity and acceleration to dilate time.
 

Tate

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I think I've mentioned this before, But, I believe a great deal of the power used by The UFO's that we see traveling at amazing speeds, May be using Time dilation,

A proven fact with Time dilation, The faster an object moves in relation to the speed of light, Time for the object slows down, SO, It's my theory they are literally not that fast, But instead use manipulation of gravity and acceleration to dilate time.

I know Time Dilation might be a thing but the theory of relativity is a theory because we can break it. Heck, U.F.O's Pilots might actually know more about aerodynamic's than us and that is why they can move like they can. If these things where made on mars, i would not expect them to be able to fly on earth. Just like if we strapped a f-15 to a space-x rocket and sent it to say venus. It would not be usable there.

These things not only seem to be able to fly in our atmosphere they also seem to be able to be used as a submersible. Our water is a unique thing brother. It is rare in our solar system. They have had to had knowledge of our planet inside and out to be able to travel like they do unless they are from a higher dimensional plane. and can manipulate the craft like we would a dot on a piece of paper. Unrestricted.
 

Toroid

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David Wilcock said if you shoot protons at element 115 matter flies out of it super fast. With one type of propulsion the Grays will shoot an atom then fire another one which will bounce off of it. David said a craft can reach incredible speeds with this method. The Merkaba is a vehicle you can travel in.
 

Tate

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David Wilcock said if you shoot protons at element 115 matter flies out of it super fast. With one type of propulsion the Grays will shoot an atom then fire another one which will bounce off of it. David said a craft can reach incredible speeds with this method. The Merkaba is a vehicle you can travel in.

Are you saying they use a form of Quantum entanglement? What i call "Particle Slingshotting?" Also, The Merkaba? Was that not what the martians where trying to recreate? AKA "The Human Soul?"
 
I know Time Dilation might be a thing but the theory of relativity is a theory because we can break it. Heck, U.F.O's Pilots might actually know more about aerodynamic's than us and that is why they can move like they can. If these things where made on mars, i would not expect them to be able to fly on earth. Just like if we strapped a f-15 to a space-x rocket and sent it to say venus. It would not be usable there.

These things not only seem to be able to fly in our atmosphere they also seem to be able to be used as a submersible. Our water is a unique thing brother. It is rare in our solar system. They have had to had knowledge of our planet inside and out to be able to travel like they do unless they are from a higher dimensional plane. and can manipulate the craft like we would a dot on a piece of paper. Unrestricted.
No you don't need to speculate about higher dimensions to understand any of this.

The various and sundry AAVs that have been seen both visually and on radar, all exhibit the exact predicted performance characteristics of a gravitational field propulsion device. With that kind of system you can not only traverse the distance between stars at extreme superluminal speeds, but you can also travel through any medium, because the craft moves by warping spacetime, which is ubiquitous in any environment.

Are you saying they use a form of Quantum entanglement? What i call "Particle Slingshotting?" Also, The Merkaba? Was that not what the martians where trying to recreate? AKA "The Human Soul?"
David Wilcock is nothing more than a carnie shytster; nothing he says is meaningful.
 

Toroid

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Are you saying they use a form of Quantum entanglement? What i call "Particle Slingshotting?" Also, The Merkaba? Was that not what the martians where trying to recreate? AKA "The Human Soul?"
I've heard of an entangled particle communicator, but not a form of propulsion. The structures on the Cydonia site on mars could have been an attempt to create an artificial Merkaba. Wilcock said the energy produced by the pyramid shape can power a stargate.

Suppressed Human History Movie! Extraordinary Theory. Slow Version
www.youtube.com/watch?v=swe3EOKCbFI
mars_art2.jpg
 

Tate

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No you don't need to speculate about higher dimensions to understand any of this.

The various and sundry AAVs that have been seen both visually and on radar, all exhibit the exact predicted performance characteristics of a gravitational field propulsion device. With that kind of system you can not only traverse the distance between stars at extreme superluminal speeds, but you can also travel through any medium, because the craft moves by warping spacetime, which is ubiquitous in any environment.

Let's say it has to be Gravitational Field Propulsion, Gravity is not exactly the same everywhere. This method of propulsion would need on the fly adjustments constantly. What type of on board Device might they have to fix this problem?

I do know they tend to crash and i believe the crashed UFO's are due to Gravitational Hot and Cold spots for a lack of a better euphemism. If this is Their method of propulsion how would we achieve it?

I mean i know about Gravitational lensing and Optical tweezers. But the best we have been able to do is move one particle about two meters i believe was the record. How would we use this in the Vacuum of space? "I know space is not a sterile vacuum and there is dust and particles out there floating"

Anyway, there is A good amount of theories but they are theories. I proposed to SP to prove that Time dilation is a Fact we send some Deciduous Out on a Rocket in a Sterile Environment and count it's rings when it returns after a few years.

Optical tweezers - Wikipedia
 

Tate

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I've heard of an entangled particle communicator, but not a form of propulsion. The structures on the Cydonia site on mars could have been an attempt to create an artificial Merkaba. Wilcock said the energy produced by the pyramid shape can power a stargate.

Suppressed Human History Movie! Extraordinary Theory. Slow Version
www.youtube.com/watch?v=swe3EOKCbFI
mars_art2.jpg

The attempt to create a Merkaba on Earth was why atlantis supposedly sank and why Lemuria was Destroyed. Also, Saying Modern day pyramids are like ancient egypts pyramids is like saying a house cat is a saber tooth cat. The pyramids have been violated and vandalized. The Caps to them have been removed and we sold them off long ago.
 
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Toroid

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The attempt to create a Merkaba on Earth was why atlantis supposedly sank and why Lemuria was Destroyed. Also, Saying Modern day pyramids are like ancient egypts pyramids are like saying a cat is a saber tooth cat. The pyramids have been violated and vandalized. The Caps to them have been removed and we sold them off long ago.
The pyramids are out of alignment. Atlantis was a technological disaster and Lemuria was natural. In Drunvalo's book 'The Ancient Secret of the Flower of Life.' Thoth and angels claimed the Merkaba running under the Bermuda Triangle would be taken care of in 2012. I think that was the 2012 event. Wilcock said when they would time travel they'd hit some kind of bump at presumably 12/21/12. I think they took down the program to fix the problem.
 
This probably fits in here as well as any thread I'm aware of on this site. It's interesting to me in several ways, and I think some of y'all will find it worth the read. It strikes me that it's a very good example of what real science is, as opposed to what a lot of people imagine it to be. Lots of hard work, with no guarantee that anything useful will come of it. Note how the scientists do not defend their ideas with religious fervor, but carefully investigate in order to see what actually happens when the ideas are put to the test. The idea that "arguments" are won by the parties who shout the loudest is the height of idiocy to people like these.

It's long, but if you have a suitable attention span you will come to the place where people from government labs start poking around, and apparently end up smearing internet-grade disinformation all over the work. Hmmm...

Graduate studies in Physics at Cal State University, Fullerton

There is a lot of other interesting stuff on that site. I like the approach Tom Mahood takes to the things he decides to investigate. He's a very capable writer too, which helps a lot.
 

Tate

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This probably fits in here as well as any thread I'm aware of on this site. It's interesting to me in several ways, and I think some of y'all will find it worth the read. It strikes me that it's a very good example of what real science is, as opposed to what a lot of people imagine it to be. Lots of hard work, with no guarantee that anything useful will come of it. Note how the scientists do not defend their ideas with religious fervor, but carefully investigate in order to see what actually happens when the ideas are put to the test. The idea that "arguments" are won by the parties who shout the loudest is the height of idiocy to people like these.

It's long, but if you have a suitable attention span you will come to the place where people from government labs start poking around, and apparently end up smearing internet-grade disinformation all over the work. Hmmm...

Graduate studies in Physics at Cal State University, Fullerton

There is a lot of other interesting stuff on that site. I like the approach Tom Mahood takes to the things he decides to investigate. He's a very capable writer too, which helps a lot.


"My first stop was at Home Depot, the primary supply source for fringe experimenters everywhere." T.Mahood.

Home Depot and Radio Shack are fun places to blow money on experiments. If you have money.

i would say Engineering is definitely a Scientific field.

I managed to hang on until the "Fun with the National Labs" Chapter. From what i can gather, they are using fractiline structures to move objects by exciting them via wave frequencies. This makes the Torsion Arms components move. But i did skip a whole chapter that had the Calculus equations in it.

Very few discoveries would have been made if no one spoke up. When people speak up, it tends to disrupt the echo-chamber of the elite. which causes backlash and gets people's attention.

Also, if "arguments" where not a thing in science you would never have known the sun is the center of our solar system. I would take it so far as to if no one ever questioned theories, we would still be calling chemistry "alchemy" and believing a magic stick makes mead instead of knowing about yeast.

In conclusion, i do see where you are coming from but asking questions and trying to figure things out or simply disagreeing with stuff should not create an actually argument. If it does than that is a shame upon the people involved.
 

Tate

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The pyramids are out of alignment. Atlantis was a technological disaster and Lemuria was natural. In Drunvalo's book 'The Ancient Secret of the Flower of Life.' Thoth and angels claimed the Merkaba running under the Bermuda Triangle would be taken care of in 2012. I think that was the 2012 event. Wilcock said when they would time travel they'd hit some kind of bump at presumably 12/21/12. I think they took down the program to fix the problem.

Merkaba under the Bermuda triangle? Do you mean the Crystal Pyramid found underwater?
 

Tate

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Here is a Question for people with much more depth in the theory of gravitational field propulsion.

Through newtonian mechanics we know objects under acceleration gain mass exponentially. This is why all objects must come to a resting position eventually.

If they were able to use gravitational field propulsion in a U.F.O what type of calculations would it take to be able to deal with not only the aforementioned problems but the increase in mass while switching to higher speeds?

we know an object's mass is acted upon by not only centripetal forces but also the sheer mass of the object. Or would the centripetal force of an object spinning help alleviate the pull on the mass in question? Is this a Theory on why ufo's Spin? lol
 

spacecase0

earth human
we know an object's mass is acted upon by not only centripetal forces but also the sheer mass of the object. Or would the centripetal force of an object spinning help alleviate the pull on the mass in question? Is this a Theory on why ufo's Spin? lol
if you are looking into why they spin,
look at the work of William J. HOOPER
he ran tests that verify what he had calculated,
and if you want further verification, look at the tests that wilbert smith ran,
smith used entirely other math to get to the same layout of the hardware to build.
sadly I can no longer find a good web link for his physical tests, but have it all archived on my computer.
 
"My first stop was at Home Depot, the primary supply source for fringe experimenters everywhere." T.Mahood.

Home Depot and Radio Shack are fun places to blow money on experiments. If you have money.

i would say Engineering is definitely a Scientific field.

I managed to hang on until the "Fun with the National Labs" Chapter. From what i can gather, they are using fractiline structures to move objects by exciting them via wave frequencies. This makes the Torsion Arms components move. But i did skip a whole chapter that had the Calculus equations in it.

Very few discoveries would have been made if no one spoke up. When people speak up, it tends to disrupt the echo-chamber of the elite. which causes backlash and gets people's attention.

Also, if "arguments" where not a thing in science you would never have known the sun is the center of our solar system. I would take it so far as to if no one ever questioned theories, we would still be calling chemistry "alchemy" and believing a magic stick makes mead instead of knowing about yeast.

In conclusion, i do see where you are coming from but asking questions and trying to figure things out or simply disagreeing with stuff should not create an actually argument. If it does than that is a shame upon the people involved.
Well I don't put words in quotation marks randomly, as some do. I was referring to people who think yelling opinions at one another is an argument. Of course scientists make arguments, disagree, and so on. Only a fool would claim otherwise. Many people have no idea what science really is, or how it's done. Those would be a minority on a forum like this, but really there is no substitute for experience.
 
Here is a Question for people with much more depth in the theory of gravitational field propulsion.

Through newtonian mechanics we know objects under acceleration gain mass exponentially.
Yes, that's special relativity, which applies to things like rockets and bullets and particle accelerators.

This is why all objects must come to a resting position eventually.
No, the choice of rest frame is relative: there is no absolute state of rest or motion in relativity. So if you accelerate a body to some speed relative to its original reference frame, it keeps moving at that speed until acted on by another force - this is the law of inertia in Newtonian physics.

If they were able to use gravitational field propulsion in a U.F.O what type of calculations would it take to be able to deal with not only the aforementioned problems but the increase in mass while switching to higher speeds?
Gravitational field propulsion acts on the field of spacetime, not the object itself. So there's no increase in mass, and no increase in momentum. The body never experiences any force - it's conveyed from one position to another by distorting the spacetime around it.

we know an object's mass is acted upon by not only centripetal forces but also the sheer mass of the object. Or would the centripetal force of an object spinning help alleviate the pull on the mass in question? Is this a Theory on why ufo's Spin? lol
Lots of UFOs don't spin. I don't think that the rotations that have been reported, have anything to do with the propulsion - it may have something to do with scanning the environment; we can only guess.
 

Shadowprophet

Truthiness
Yes, that's special relativity, which applies to things like rockets and bullets and particle accelerators.


No, the choice of rest frame is relative: there is no absolute state of rest or motion in relativity. So if you accelerate a body to some speed relative to its original reference frame, it keeps moving at that speed until acted on by another force - this is the law of inertia in Newtonian physics.


Gravitational field propulsion acts on the field of spacetime, not the object itself. So there's no increase in mass, and no increase in momentum. The body never experiences any force - it's conveyed from one position to another by distorting the spacetime around it.


Lots of UFOs don't spin. I don't think that the rotations that have been reported, have anything to do with the propulsion - it may have something to do with scanning the environment; we can only guess.
I Think I discussed this with Tate, I'm not certain, I feel that if there is a spin at all, There must be some gyroscopic reason. My assumption is, If one does spin, Which I don't think they all do, But if one does, Maybe the spin is just to create a mathmatical gyroscopic leveling point, That could somehow help maneuver the craft, But that's me giving the spin some value anyway, It probably has next to no importance on any level, But If I had to give it some reason, I would assume a gyroscopic reference point for some sort of enhanced stability, ..

Possibly to keep the weight inside the craft from becoming imbalanced? Maybe. I could imagine if the weight in the craft were imbalanced this would affect trajectory.
 
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