UFO videos

nivek

As Above So Below
Problem is, many will take this as real and won't be dissuaded.

This is still looked at as a problem?...There are always going to be people who take things as real and won't be dissuaded in any way on a variety of topics, seems more of something to be expected these days instead of looked at as a problem...Anyone who is genuinely researching will tend to ignore those types...

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pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
This is still looked at as a problem?...There are always going to be people who take things as real and won't be dissuaded in any way on a variety of topics, seems more of something to be expected these days instead of looked at as a problem...Anyone who is genuinely researching will tend to ignore those types...

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Agreed. But even genuine researchers can be led off track by realistic and gratuitous stuff like those videos. Even in some of these threads we can see the 'well ... maybe ...' thing that crosses everyone's mind sometimes. Hell, some people don't even pause at maybe before they go full balls to AH-HAH!

Hell, I just put a big friggin magnet on my water inlet pipe to help reduce limescale. Does that actually make sense? Not at all but makes me feel better. We paid - and I do mean paid - a visit to George Anderson because I will admit even a small part of me wanted to hear him say something I could point to and say 'fook!' Nope. Just feel good stuff. But with UFOs and aliens and so forth, eeeeeh, it would make me feel good if these realistic fake videos vanished. Fat chance I know.

I still thought they were cool to watch .....
 

1963

Noble
I didn't find that video convincing but it was compelling. Someone is clever and has done a bit of thinking on the topic. Problem is, many will take this as real and won't be dissuaded.

Hi PF, ...I get your meaning , but is it really anything to do with you or I what some people want to believe mate?
after all , the kind of people that are likely to take the skinny-bob vids as a bona fide documentary and absolute proof-positive of captured extra-terrestrials without any shadow of doubt are the same people that believe in fair folk , hobgoblins and the like. And are likely to think that anyone advising caution are in fact part of a world wide conspiracy. [the type of people that take the nonsense of Giorgio Tsoukalos and David Childress seriously] ... so no matter what Mike McGear says... "Paul is still Faul!" lol. ... So that for me means that it doesn't really matter what they believe... they are happy in their world anyway. [I imagine that they'll be up all night trying to catch a glimpse of the easter-bunny tonight. :Whistle: ]
... As I have said on numerous occasions imho, there are basically three types of members on virtually all of these kind of forum... the ones that I have just been over critical about [for effect] , and then there's the one that I would place myself in, the ones that start the assessment of any presented case from a critical point of view, and gradually form opinions by means of systematically examining the available evidence to see which scenario is the more likely.
..And finally we get the full-on naysayers that systematically examine the evidence that points toward a mundane explanation and completely disregard any paradoxical facts that may negate their predetermined conclusions.
..... So for me mate, I make my own conclusions and couldn't give a fig what anyone else prefers to support, ... indeed my goal on these forums and all of my other ways and life-long musings on this fascinating subject is not to dissuade from.... or convert anyone into a proponent of the ETH, but merely to learn as much as I can about the whole chimeric subject for my own personal desideratum. ... plus of course the comradery of like-minded friends on the forum. [and even the odd hard-line-debunking-twit that I just can't help liking. lol] :Thumbsup:

Cheers buddy.

Without provenance I see no reason to assume that these images depict a real alien.
Agreed! ... but who said any different wwkirk?

A simpler explanation is that they are just puppets of some sort.
Puppets?....I doubt that.

Moreover, I don't think the burden of proof/disproof lies with the viewer. There are oceans of videos out there that purport to show aliens or alien crafts. It would take a lifetime to try and disprove most of them. Rather, it up to the person putting it forward to establish the bonafides of a given video. And without that,
Oh that burden of proof tosh again... slinging that mouldy old 'get-out-of-gaol-free-card' are we? ...Now this one is a funny one, because just what exactly do you mean by 'burden on proof in this case'? ... I suspect that you mean that Ivan0135 [whoever that might be] should provide the burden of proof that there are actually alien beings in the clips that he has provided for viewing on YT.... acting as a kind of devil's advocate here, surely the films are Ivan's means of fulfilling that 'burden of proof' [ the often over-used get out phrase that is summarily tossed around one-sidedly.]... he has shown his hand by presenting his material [evidence] for critical examination! Therefore he has fulfilled his obligation toward that burden. And now the logical conclusion to this endeavour is that the professional debunkers achieve a satisfactory debunking... which in this case [as so many other likely hoaxes] despite the scorn and bravado they have fallen well short. And so if you were to be sincere when appraising this case, then you could only opine that your belief that these films are fakes are unfounded [no basis in fact] but your own personal verisimilitude will not let you accept their authenticity. [which is my own position] and not just proclaim that they are fakes without presenting any kind of proof that they are!

the default attitude of the viewer should be skepticism (in my opinion).
Yes, that's my position too mate. :Thumbsup:

Cheers buddy.
 

wwkirk

Divine
not just proclaim that they are fakes without presenting any kind of proof that they are!
Please go back to my original words and identify where I definitely asserted the video is fake.
 

michael59

Celestial


Hi guys, nothing new here I know... but I was wondering if anyone here knows any more than the meagre knowledge that I have about this brilliantly intriguing series of clips or the enigmatic 'Ivan0135' that originally uploaded them to YT between April 13th to May 17th 2011... [yes 8 years ago!] and then seemingly to just crumble under the intense scrutiny and the [should-be expected] harsh criticism and vanished off the face of the Earth, never to be heard of again!
Although like most people that tend to see themselves as being rational critical thinkers [ a trait that debunkers falsely try to claim sole ownership of] I viewed them as being highly suspicious ... not through any perceived higher knowledge or expertise in the matter of 'found-footage Roswellian-type film clips' , but merely on my default verisimilitude-setting of that if something looks too good to be true, then....? ... And like most people in the genre I gave my all [for what little that's worth lol] to the endeavour of getting to the bottom of these wonderful films. And yes I will freely pronounce that these clips are the best looking and likely-to-convince offerings that I personally have ever come across. [Either in blockbuster movies or purported reality.] admittedly that doesn't make them real, but i'm just saying that to me at least, they are the dogs bollocks of probable youtube fakery!
My personal surmission of the validity of this series of clips is that they were really talented mock-ups created by a really talented team of YT-hit-cash-and-carry-merchants that created these films for obvious reasons... they were savvy enough to know 'not to over egg the pudding' by sticking to such a meagre number of releases, and then falling silent for a number of years to enhance the mystery and with the intention of creating some kind of CT as to their perceived disappearance from the WWW. Only to pop up at a future date with another couple of clips. [thus the hit-rate imo would be phenomenal $$] ... But even if i'm anywhere near the truth or not... I do not actually believe that Ivan has gone anywhere, not vacated the internet at all. No! they are to my mind probably merely posting different fakeries under other names, and are waiting for the optimum time to cash in on Ivan's long anticipated come-back.
.... But then of course, these are just some of my personal musings, and are just as likely to be way off the mark... for all I know, they just might be the genuine article that we are all so adamant that we're searching for,... right under our noses in plain sight...and we can't see the woods for the trees sort of thing. After all, these clips , films or whatever we want to call them have never been conclusively debunked! ... no matter what anyone claims, and there have been a myriad of self professed 'experts' that swear that these films are fake because...... and yet can bring nothing tangible to the table to prove their many different assertions, just the old 'trust me it's not real, i'm an expert' spiel that so irritates me.
As I said, I didn't, and don't presently believe that Ivan's films are the real deal ... but also don't believe that they have been exposed as being fake, nor do I believe that the saga is finished quite yet either, and am ready for another round of Ivan style tantalisation..... are you guys? ... or didn't you rate them as highly as me?
...anyway, here are the full set of original Ivan0135 offerings for anyone that might not be familiar....

ivan0135

Cheers.


I don't know about the others. The video you posted of skinny is not fake. That is exactly what they look like. That is exactly what they dress like. I saw those creatures sometime in 2004/2005. Those are the creatures I spoke of.
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
Hi PF, ...I get your meaning , but is it really anything to do with you or I what some people want to believe mate?
after all , the kind of people that are likely to take the skinny-bob vids as a bona fide documentary and absolute proof-positive of captured extra-terrestrials without any shadow of doubt are the same people that believe in fair folk , hobgoblins and the like. And are likely to think that anyone advising caution are in fact part of a world wide conspiracy. [the type of people that take the nonsense of Giorgio Tsoukalos and David Childress seriously] ... so no matter what Mike McGear says... "Paul is still Faul!" lol. ... So that for me means that it doesn't really matter what they believe... they are happy in their world anyway. [I imagine that they'll be up all night trying to catch a glimpse of the easter-bunny tonight. :Whistle: ]
... As I have said on numerous occasions imho, there are basically three types of members on virtually all of these kind of forum... the ones that I have just been over critical about [for effect] , and then there's the one that I would place myself in, the ones that start the assessment of any presented case from a critical point of view, and gradually form opinions by means of systematically examining the available evidence to see which scenario is the more likely.
..And finally we get the full-on naysayers that systematically examine the evidence that points toward a mundane explanation and completely disregard any paradoxical facts that may negate their predetermined conclusions.
..... So for me mate, I make my own conclusions and couldn't give a fig what anyone else prefers to support, ... indeed my goal on these forums and all of my other ways and life-long musings on this fascinating subject is not to dissuade from.... or convert anyone into a proponent of the ETH, but merely to learn as much as I can about the whole chimeric subject for my own personal desideratum. ... plus of course the comradery of like-minded friends on the forum. [and even the odd hard-line-debunking-twit that I just can't help liking. lol] :Thumbsup:

Cheers buddy.


Agreed! ... but who said any different wwkirk?


Puppets?....I doubt that.


Oh that burden of proof tosh again... slinging that mouldy old 'get-out-of-gaol-free-card' are we? ...Now this one is a funny one, because just what exactly do you mean by 'burden on proof in this case'? ... I suspect that you mean that Ivan0135 [whoever that might be] should provide the burden of proof that there are actually alien beings in the clips that he has provided for viewing on YT.... acting as a kind of devil's advocate here, surely the films are Ivan's means of fulfilling that 'burden of proof' [ the often over-used get out phrase that is summarily tossed around one-sidedly.]... he has shown his hand by presenting his material [evidence] for critical examination! Therefore he has fulfilled his obligation toward that burden. And now the logical conclusion to this endeavour is that the professional debunkers achieve a satisfactory debunking... which in this case [as so many other likely hoaxes] despite the scorn and bravado they have fallen well short. And so if you were to be sincere when appraising this case, then you could only opine that your belief that these films are fakes are unfounded [no basis in fact] but your own personal verisimilitude will not let you accept their authenticity. [which is my own position] and not just proclaim that they are fakes without presenting any kind of proof that they are!


Yes, that's my position too mate. :Thumbsup:

Cheers buddy.

had to adjust my babel fish for this one .... :)
 

nivek

As Above So Below
 

nivek

As Above So Below
At 1:14 minute mark, is this real?...

 

humanoidlord

ce3 researcher


Hi guys, nothing new here I know... but I was wondering if anyone here knows any more than the meagre knowledge that I have about this brilliantly intriguing series of clips or the enigmatic 'Ivan0135' that originally uploaded them to YT between April 13th to May 17th 2011... [yes 8 years ago!] and then seemingly to just crumble under the intense scrutiny and the [should-be expected] harsh criticism and vanished off the face of the Earth, never to be heard of again!
Although like most people that tend to see themselves as being rational critical thinkers [ a trait that debunkers falsely try to claim sole ownership of] I viewed them as being highly suspicious ... not through any perceived higher knowledge or expertise in the matter of 'found-footage Roswellian-type film clips' , but merely on my default verisimilitude-setting of that if something looks too good to be true, then....? ... And like most people in the genre I gave my all [for what little that's worth lol] to the endeavour of getting to the bottom of these wonderful films. And yes I will freely pronounce that these clips are the best looking and likely-to-convince offerings that I personally have ever come across. [Either in blockbuster movies or purported reality.] admittedly that doesn't make them real, but i'm just saying that to me at least, they are the dogs bollocks of probable youtube fakery!
My personal surmission of the validity of this series of clips is that they were really talented mock-ups created by a really talented team of YT-hit-cash-and-carry-merchants that created these films for obvious reasons... they were savvy enough to know 'not to over egg the pudding' by sticking to such a meagre number of releases, and then falling silent for a number of years to enhance the mystery and with the intention of creating some kind of CT as to their perceived disappearance from the WWW. Only to pop up at a future date with another couple of clips. [thus the hit-rate imo would be phenomenal $$] ... But even if i'm anywhere near the truth or not... I do not actually believe that Ivan has gone anywhere, not vacated the internet at all. No! they are to my mind probably merely posting different fakeries under other names, and are waiting for the optimum time to cash in on Ivan's long anticipated come-back.
.... But then of course, these are just some of my personal musings, and are just as likely to be way off the mark... for all I know, they just might be the genuine article that we are all so adamant that we're searching for,... right under our noses in plain sight...and we can't see the woods for the trees sort of thing. After all, these clips , films or whatever we want to call them have never been conclusively debunked! ... no matter what anyone claims, and there have been a myriad of self professed 'experts' that swear that these films are fake because...... and yet can bring nothing tangible to the table to prove their many different assertions, just the old 'trust me it's not real, i'm an expert' spiel that so irritates me.
As I said, I didn't, and don't presently believe that Ivan's films are the real deal ... but also don't believe that they have been exposed as being fake, nor do I believe that the saga is finished quite yet either, and am ready for another round of Ivan style tantalisation..... are you guys? ... or didn't you rate them as highly as me?
...anyway, here are the full set of original Ivan0135 offerings for anyone that might not be familiar....

ivan0135

Cheers.

rule of hand: if it is too good to be true, it probally is
ivan might have been a CGI master that decided to troll the ufology comunitty or something
 

nivek

As Above So Below

A photographer who was putting together a time-lapse video of a thunderstorm in Myrtle Beach, South Carolina, in August was shocked to discover mysterious lights hovering over the pier in the footage.

The video, which was first shared with UFO Stalker — a UFO-centric website, was posted to YouTube a month later with a caption that declared a "massive spaceship" was flying over the beach.

“I was taking the pictures off the edge of a long pier after dark, so there were no reflective surfaces around. I did not notice the objects until returned home and checked the photograph and video,” the photographer, who has not yet been identified, wrote on the UFO sighting website.

 

1963

Noble
A photographer who was putting together a time-lapse video of a thunderstorm in Myrtle Beach, South Carolina, in August was shocked to discover mysterious lights hovering over the pier in the footage.

The video, which was first shared with UFO Stalker — a UFO-centric website, was posted to YouTube a month later with a caption that declared a "massive spaceship" was flying over the beach.

“I was taking the pictures off the edge of a long pier after dark, so there were no reflective surfaces around. I did not notice the objects until returned home and checked the photograph and video,” the photographer, who has not yet been identified, wrote on the UFO sighting website.



High Nivek, good day my friend! … No giant UFO there that I can make out? o_O … I think that we are seeing a great natural phenomenon that we commonly call things like 'ball lightning and natural atmospheric plasma '. … The most famous of which are the Marfa Lights, Min Min lights and of course the [most thoroughly investigated] Hessdalen Lights.


Ball lightning.... from inches to eight ft in size, but very bright and powerful.
balllightning.jpg


Cheers Buddy.
 

humanoidlord

ce3 researcher
High Nivek, good day my friend! … No giant UFO there that I can make out? o_O … I think that we are seeing a great natural phenomenon that we commonly call things like 'ball lightning and natural atmospheric plasma '. … The most famous of which are the Marfa Lights, Min Min lights and of course the [most thoroughly investigated] Hessdalen Lights.


Ball lightning.... from inches to eight ft in size, but very bright and powerful.
balllightning.jpg


Cheers Buddy.

could also be lens flare, look how the lights in the sky are aligned with the ones in the ground
 

coubob

Celestial
Should`ve posted this in funny clips or vids but ..
This supposed 'creature' caught on camera by Vivian Gomez and posted to Facebook leaves a lot of room for doubt. There is a suspicious second shadow in the beginning of the video that leads us to believe that a second person was present, and the being's sudden disappearance is easily explained by cutting the footage at that spot--you can even hear the audio interrupted when it happens

IR light trickery ?
 

Toroid

Founding Member
Should`ve posted this in funny clips or vids but ..
This supposed 'creature' caught on camera by Vivian Gomez and posted to Facebook leaves a lot of room for doubt. There is a suspicious second shadow in the beginning of the video that leads us to believe that a second person was present, and the being's sudden disappearance is easily explained by cutting the footage at that spot--you can even hear the audio interrupted when it happens

IR light trickery ?

It looks like a kid in a homemade costume. o_O
 

1963

Noble
Should`ve posted this in funny clips or vids but ..
This supposed 'creature' caught on camera by Vivian Gomez and posted to Facebook leaves a lot of room for doubt. There is a suspicious second shadow in the beginning of the video that leads us to believe that a second person was present, and the being's sudden disappearance is easily explained by cutting the footage at that spot--you can even hear the audio interrupted when it happens

IR light trickery ?

Hi coubob, thanks for the vid matey. Made me laugh , and reminded me of this old video that is just about as authentic... :Whistle:



Cheers Buddy.
 
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