To The Stars Academy: Investigating the Unexplained

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Roger Glassel inquired about the same thing and got the same answer.
 
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Roger Glassel inquired about the same thing and got the same answer.
There's an ideological war going on inside the DoD, and it seems that Christopher Sherwood is in (or conscripted by) the anti-confirmation wing of the DoD.

George Knapp published the Reid memo with Luis Elizondo's name unredacted on it, so that settles it imo:

 

Dejan Corovic

As above, so bellow
If I could actually speak to Luis Ellizondo I'd like to ask how the contract with Bigelow Aerospace of about 30 theoretical papers became a UFO study group, and I'd love to see the files they collected in the process.

TTSA got a contract with Bigelow? To do what and was it for money?
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
Look, the UFO field is littered with shady characters. Go to the UFO Watchdog website for a laundry list of them. Who is going to spend their precious time tracking down all these people? Elizondo is probably more honest than most. I find it is best to be ultra cautious when anyone makes claims about their UFO resume.

Despite my obvious skepticism I'm not sure I feel comfortable with 'fraud'. 'Opportunist' might be closer to what I think although that's splitting hairs. The DoD/Pentagon has told us that yes, there was a program and Elizondo ran it for a time. Confusion over acronyms doesn't bother me, that seems like a minor distraction. We've seen the contract for 30 deliverables - white papers on esoteric subjects. I wouldn't expect a gratuitous official statement about Elizondo. I would expect them to confirm or deny specific questions, which is what they've done so far.

My uncle could sell snow to Eskimos - really, really good at it. He told me of an IRS audit he endured years ago, and to be fair he actually was cheating on his taxes. This is in the paper trail era. He said it was a matter of showing the auditor the information he wanted him to see in the order that worked out best for him, and to let inference and distraction fill in any blanks rather than blatantly lie about something specific. He got away with it because he was a superb salesman. Never forgot that story.
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
TTSA got a contract with Bigelow? To do what and was it for money?

https://fas.org/irp/dia/aatip-list.pdf

Yes. As I understand it AATIP put out an RFQ for two to three dozen research papers on various topics and Bigelow Aerospace was the only respondent. It mentions AATIP's mandate is "The purpose of AATIP was to investigate foreign advanced aerospace weapon threats from the present out to the next 40 years". Of those one is considered still classified and not for public consumption; "State of the Art and Evolution of High Energy Laser Weapons"

This is why I thought Paul Bennewitz and that whole sordid affair worth mentioning. He really did see something he should not have and became subject to a focused disinformation campaign from several agencies. In either Project Beta or X Descending (been a while since I read either) there was mention of high energy laser systems being tested in the very spot Bennewitz was snooping around in. This is also why I wonder what nearly two generations of technical advances would produce in that arena and with something like Leik Myrabo's light powered craft.

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Dejan Corovic

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https://fas.org/irp/dia/aatip-list.pdf

Yes. As I understand it AATIP put out an RFQ for two to three dozen research papers on various topics and Bigelow Aerospace was the only respondent. It mentions AATIP's mandate is "The purpose of AATIP was to investigate foreign advanced aerospace weapon threats from the present out to the next 40 years". Of those one is considered still classified and not for public consumption; "State of the Art and Evolution of High Energy Laser Weapons"

This is why I thought Paul Bennewitz and that whole sordid affair worth mentioning. He really did see something he should not have and became subject to a focused disinformation campaign from several agencies. In either Project Beta or X Descending (been a while since I read either) there was mention of high energy laser systems being tested in the very spot Bennewitz was snooping around in. This is also why I wonder what nearly two generations of technical advances would produce in that arena and with something like Leik Myrabo's light powered craft.

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I am quite familiar with prof. Leik Myrabo's work on laser propulsion, because Ray Stanford talked about him. NASA financed initial Myrabo's prototype. It's very well publicized, no secrets there. He just used relatively ordinary lasers.

I went through that DEFENSE INTELLIGENCE AGENCY list. That's all unclassified because it turned out to be useless. Case in point is High-F'requency Gravitational Wave Communications, Dr. Robert Baker who was publicly denounced as quack scientist.
 
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pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
I am quite familiar with prof. Leik Myrabo's work on laser propulsion, because Ray Stanford talked about him. NASA financed initial Myrabo's prototype. It's very well publicized, no secrets there. He just used relatively ordinary lasers.

I mention Bennewitz because he clearly stumbled onto something the military didn't anticipate and his reward for that was to be told exactly what he wanted to hear. In around that time frame you have Jaime Shandera and the MJ12 mess. A bit later you have Ron Moore baring his soul publicly. And a lot of the crapola that was flung against the wall is still sticking and people still want to believe in it. And Doty's still out there having a good laugh on us all, maybe making a couple of bucks as a UFO consultant in the film industry to augment his retirement.

Based on past history when it comes to these things a bit of skepticism is in order when you suddenly hear what you think you want to. What did Dr.McCoy say? Beware Romulans bearing gifts?

We know what happened to Bennewitz. Doesn't anyone ever wonder what became of the projects he peeked at? Certainly they warranted the effort to deflect any attention.

As for laser propulsion, Myrabo and all that - it does look like an attempt at unconventional propulsion of a sort and demonstrates a long standing interest by the US military in exactly that. I understand it had nowhere near the capabilities we've seen in the Navy videos. But developing and fielding a next generation device which would neatly sidestep conventional aerospace technology and make earth orbit readily accessible is something that I can guarantee has been the object of quite a bit of effort - the Holy Grail. If I can sit here on my arse and speculate so can people in a position to actually do something about it, and the list gets considerably shorter when you consider those with the required resources. Russia claims to have hypersonic nuclear tipped missiles with advanced escape & evade stealth features - something I doubt the various 3 letter agencies had to wait until they heard about it in the news to be aware of. We have a history of being paranoid about the Commies and overestimating their capabilities, and then reacting with our own robust military-industrial complex. I'm not so quick to say 'that's impossible for our technology' when looking at the tic-tac or gofast or gimbal devices.

I'm well aware of the past history of UFOs and how far back they go but I'm not making connections unless there is a specific reason to do so. When I look back at the history of ufology I am thinking of Bennewitz and all the stuff I just mentioned. Just listening to Luis Elizondo, what the Pentagon and DoD have said publicly, and what we can find 'on the record' with FOIA requests.

Jesus, I want it to be ET. Could be. But this just doesn't feel like it to me.
 
John Greenewald speaks his mind about the past week proceedings.

The Pentagon Denies Luis Elizondo’s Role in AATIP; Here’s My Take

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by John Greenewald, Jr. – The Black Vault – June 5, 2019


This past weekend brought some disturbing news that even I was not expecting. The Intercept, authored by Keith Kloor, published a piece last Saturday that surrounded a new statement from the Pentagon. That statement read, in part:


The Intercept headline, first published June 1, 2019.

“Mr. [Luis] Elizondo had no responsibilities with regard to the AATIP program while he worked in OUSDI [the Office of Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence], up until the time he resigned effective 10/4/2017.”— Pentagon spokesperson Christopher Sherwood

For those who are unfamiliar; Mr. Luis Elizondo has been profiled as the former director of the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP) – the US government’s “secret UFO research program.” Now, for the first time since the New York Times and Politico broke this story in December of 2017, The Pentagon has called into question what role, if any, Mr. Elizondo had with AATIP.


Mr. Elizondo is a former member of our intelligence community, and as I have said many times before, he should be commended for his service. However, he should still be questioned, as he even said himself. He has EARNED his right to respond to The Pentagon and prove that their statement is untrue. Mr. Kloor and The Intercept, according to their article, gave him multiple opportunities to do so, and he chose not to respond (along with other personnel from To the Stars Academy of Arts & Science [TTSA]).

Since The Intercept’s article posted, the internet has gone into a frenzy. The line that separated supporters of Mr. Elizondo and those that questioned his story, has now been further dug deep into the sand. Some thought it was clear vindication for doubting his claims; while others instantly turned Mr. Elizondo into a martyr.

When I first set out to find the truth behind the claims made by Mr. Elizondo, I questioned his story, but not the man. I had assumed that part was already done. As The Intercept accurately portrayed, I was very excited to learn about this story, and was not an instant skeptic. However, as time went on, yes, I became known as a someone who had tough questions that clearly, Mr. Elizondo still does not want to address.

Some equated questioning as me making definitive statements or trying to attack Mr. Elizondo’s honor, integrity or character. It was not. Some equated those questions as me working within a secret cabal, in cahoots with The Pentagon, and our lone intent was to take down Mr. Elizondo. That, too, is not true. My intent with more than twenty-two years running The Black Vault, is the truth. No spin, no agenda, no personal politics injected, no nothing. When I post the documents; they are the documents being posted. We all, myself included, can choose to make opinions thereafter.


However, those unanswered questions that remain, arguably just became much more obvious on why they remain. The “Navigating the Twisted Maze of the AATIP Timeline” I created, includes just a small portion of the discrepancies to this saga. Conflicting dates; confusing origins; questionable funding; all are included in the incredibly important minutia of this story – something some “researchers” want you to ignore.

I have been saying for some time, these details need to be ironed out, especially before we run front page stories or create a series on networks like The History Channel. The cart got well before the horse on this story from the onset, and now, we may be seeing the repercussions of that.

I have made it my life’s mission to uncover details about government secrets, lies, deceit and deception by the U.S. government and military, that has spanned the last century. However, I would be foolish to think that it is only the entities of the U.S. government and military, that can hold secrets or spew lies, deceit and deception. I’ve been around the UFO field of research long enough to know that the number of lies by the feds that I can prove by legal means, arguably are dwarfed by the number of lies that have come from everyday individuals and former government employees injecting themselves into their own UFO-related legacy. Not to steal a line from the X-Files, but, “Trust no one, Mr. Mulder.”

That’s a mantra I have adopted, and I will continue to do so. This entire ordeal has lost me many friends, along with visitors who say they will no longer visit The Black Vault because I have brought up discoveries, discrepancies and questions relating to this story. For that, I will forever be sorry that my friendship did not mean more to those that I lost, and it could be so easily diminished with a difference of opinion. I will also forever be sorry for those who feel that asking questions somehow equates to an evil, sinister agenda, out to get someone so they never return to my free site. I am sorry for all of that.

But I regret absolutely nothing.

I want the truth – and nothing but.

The attackers slinging their mud my direction consist of those who have supported TTSA from the beginning. The same names that I have seen attack me for more than a year, now appear on Mr. Kloor’s twitter feed slinging their mud his direction. The same people that happily display selfies with Mr. Elizondo on their Facebook walls, are the ones leading the charge against me, Mr. Kloor, and whomever else is posting the link to The Intercept. Yet, as of the writing of this statement, there is no Mr. Elizondo. There is no TTSA. There is no evidence to prove Mr. Kloor, well scratch that, that the Pentagon, is wrong. Just the same names, the same bloggers, the same selfie-takers, and the same super-fans. All shocked that quite possibly, the mainstream media in the beginning days, may have been wrong. Although that may be shocking to some that it may be a possibility; that does not make it untrue.

According to those who still back Mr. Elizondo, and claim Mr. Kloor’s article was a “hit piece,” they are relying on only two pieces of evidence:

  1. A single statement, given by a former Pentagon spokesperson, that only one journalist (out of the hundreds that did stories in December of 2017) can verify. The spokesperson who allegedly gave the statement, Dana White, is the same one who was under investigation by the Inspector General’s office for misconduct of her employees and she left her post in January of 2019 amid the scandal. The journalist who published that quote and is single handedly the only one who currently verifies it – happens to be making multiple appearances on the new History channel show Unidentified, starring, Mr. Elizondo. That journalist is Mr. Bryan Bender from Politico, one of the first journalists to cover the story on December 16, 2017. Please note: the aforementioned is not an accusation, but rather an observation. Hundreds of journalists around the globe covered this story in the beginning weeks of it breaking – not one that I am aware of got the same statement. Those that did receive statements, all matched exactly to each other, and none of them confirmed Mr. Elizondo headed the AATIP program. The Pentagon has always maintained that he was a DOD employee, but they refused to comment further about his role (if any) until now.
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    This is the unredacted portion of a 2009 letter, that includes Mr. Luis Elizondo’s name. This pre-dates his claim of heading the program, therefore although may prove some involvement of being ‘read in’ to the program, certainly does not validate leadership.

    The only other piece of evidence is an alleged “leaked” letter, dated June 24, 2009, wherein Senator Harry Reid requested Special Access Program (SAP) status for AATIP. There is no provenance of this letter. The redactions were applied by investigative journalist George Knapp, who strangely, chose to (or was instructed to) redact Mr. Elizondo’s name prior to originally publishing in June 2018. Despite that bizarre choice, Mr. Knapp says on his social media, in light of this new Pentagon statement, Mr. Elizondo’s name is in “position #10” and has released that portion of the letter that he had previously redacted. Beyond the question of why Mr. Knapp would even redact Mr. Elizondo’s name in the first place, the fact remains that the letter is from June 24, 2009, which pre-dates Mr. Elizondo’s claim of heading the program, by at least 5+ months. (See TTSA official statement) So in other words, the appearance of his name, with the date of the letter, does not address the Pentagon’s statement or the indication Mr. Elizondo did not direct the AATIP program.

Really consider this for a moment. Reverse the situation. If Mr. Kloor wrote an article, based on a single statement that only he could verify, which came from a former spokesperson who left amid scandal, and then Mr. Kloor only displayed one leaked document with no provenance, and he hinged his entire story on that – he would be chastised and likely never get a story published, let alone have his story taken seriously by anyone.

Yet, that isn’t the case. Rather, that hypothetical is Mr. Elizondo’s current defense, by only those loudest supporters going to bat for him on social media.

Mr. Kloor hinged his article on an official Pentagon statement, which was backed by the “OUSDI leadership.” Also, according to the Pentagon, some of that leadership was “still there” from the days Mr. Elizondo was, so therefore, they would have first-hand knowledge about his involvement, if any.

That’s a powerful revelation – and if it is a lie – I look forward to corroborating evidence soon to come to light. In fact, I have said and offered to ALL parties involved, if that verifiable evidence presents itself, I will even help disseminate it to clear Mr. Elizondo’s name. That offer has been ignored by all parties.

But despite what I want, this fight has risen above all of us. This debate is beyond you, me, Mr. Kloor, The Intercept, the NY Times, Mr. Knapp, Ms. Leslie Kean, the internet trolls and whomever else. It’s above EVERYONE except Mr. Elizondo and his former employer.

More than all the above, NOTHING, and I mean NOTHING, should take away from a seemingly new environment where military pilots and personnel are coming forward with their experiences and encounters. NOTHING should take away from their bravery stepping forward, offering an honest recount of what happened to them. I hope, wholeheartedly, that this entire mess that we have before us does not diminish their stories or put an insurmountable obstacle in front of them and a press podium.

They deserve better than this. The field of honest UFO research deserves better than this. WE deserve better than this.

From here, I lift a glass to those who are so passionate, they continue to dig themselves deep into the trenches defending their beliefs – evidence based or not. I lift my glass to those journalists who believe they can not be wrong, and are digging in that they did their homework, but they just can’t show you anything to prove it. I lift my glass to them all.

But until something irrefutable presents itself, I will remain on the same course I have been for well more than two decades… the truth. If that ends up me being shunned from a community that claims they want the “truth,” although I will be incredibly let down it came to that, so be it. I believe strongly that the truth can survive aggressive scrutiny; while everything else, can not. It’s the latter I have always sought to expose, no matter the cost of the questions that needed to be asked and answered.


I am in this research field not to be popular; but to be accurate. My mind is rarely made up on any topic, and that includes this one, despite what you may have read from internet trolls on various social networks. I am, and will always be open, to official Pentagon statements being wrong. But in order to definitively say that, we need actual evidence, and as you have sat down to read this — there currently is none that anyone has offered.

I’ll see you all at the finish line – wherever and whenever that may be.

Sincerely,

John Greenewald, Jr.
Owner/Founder
The Black Vault
http://www.theblackvault.com


Well see how this goes.
 
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nivek

As Above So Below
Sometimes it's not what you say it's how you're saying it...Calling those he doesn't agree with internet trolls and blocking people when questioned yet he wonders why his questions go unanswered sometimes...He's a very immature individual in my opinion, he sounds like Corey Goode whining about internet trolls lol...

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wwkirk

Divine
It's hard to know what to believe.

Has Elizondo been lying all along? If so, why was DoD silent about him until now?

Was Dana White lying too? If so, what was in it for her?

Is this conceivably a reversal of policy on the part of the Military/Intelligence establishment? That is, are they regretting allowing publicity about their UFO investigations?

An even more insidious idea would be that the powers that be orchestrated the so called disclosure from the beginning, all along planning to deny it later on in order to throw the UFO community (and the general public) into confusion. (If this were to turn out to be true, then Elizondo would indeed be a disinfo agent.)

This may take a while to sort out.
 
Yes theres been talk that this is an operation. At ATS theres a huge thread that is basically arguing this.

Some people think that TTSA has been created as a front to test waters on drip disclosure, and they have left themselves a plausable deniability escape route via manufactured "errors" and back and forth denials.

Some others think this is a different kind of op, like wwkirk mentioned. One of bait and switch. They hype this up, then in the end they sink it, taking out a few reputations along the way and muddying the waters badly.
 

Dejan Corovic

As above, so bellow
It's hard to know what to believe.

Yeah, media is muddying waters. There are tons of journalists who are commissioned by intelligence community to spin anything that is required.

Put yourself into Elizondo's shoes. What he did is so self-destructive that no man or women would do it. How possibly he would be insincere. Everybody knows that there is no money in ufology. Just check youtube, a typical ufo channel can't pull in 40k-70k views in 5 years, while there are hundreds of channels in all other verticals that can pull 1 million in a week.
 

wwkirk

Divine
Yeah, media is muddying waters. There are tons of journalists who are commissioned by intelligence community to spin anything that is required.

Put yourself into Elizondo's shoes. What he did is so self-destructive that no man or women would do it. How possibly he would be insincere. Everybody knows that there is no money in ufology. Just check youtube, a typical ufo channel can't pull in 40k-70k views in 5 years, while there are hundreds of channels in all other verticals that can pull 1 million in a week.
So are you saying he's secretly still working for intelligence? Or are you saying the DIA, etc. are backstabbing him?
 

nivek

As Above So Below
 

Dejan Corovic

As above, so bellow
Or are you saying the DIA, etc. are backstabbing him?

The second one. In trade it's called "controlling narrative" or "selective reporting".

Practically, we are continuously bombarded by controlled narratives. Nothing is true, and everything is true. The best way to fight it is to find two opposide sides and follow both of them, because they'll expose each other's failures. Like constantly comparing CNN and FOX News.
 

Standingstones

Celestial
For all those wishing or thinking about UFO Disclosure... a bit of caution. It looks like a giant pissing contest is taking place to muddy the waters. I wonder how everything will pan out?
 

nivek

As Above So Below

nivek

As Above So Below
Wow this does seem to be new information from Chris Mellon, I havent heard descriptions like this before...



Choose the podcast "Do Americans want votes & laws following Virginia beach Shooting" and in about 11 minutes...

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nivek

As Above So Below
Here's a transcript posted on facebook...

 
Yes theres been talk that this is an operation. At ATS theres a huge thread that is basically arguing this.

Some people think that TTSA has been created as a front to test waters on drip disclosure, and they have left themselves a plausable deniability escape route via manufactured "errors" and back and forth denials.

Some others think this is a different kind of op, like wwkirk mentioned. One of bait and switch. They hype this up, then in the end they sink it, taking out a few reputations along the way and muddying the waters badly.

On a continuation note, if this is some sort of operation, that would explain why Greenewald among others seems to bump into inconsistancies. They have trouble keeping their made up narrative about the creation of AATIP and Elizondos career together.

Also The Drive just posted a new article and theyre wondering about this end game too...
 
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