Could Parallel Universes Be Physically Real?

Dejan Corovic

As above, so bellow
The only thing that I disagree here is that engineers do have imagination because they can create. Or so it seems. Many are designers but then again that could be down to copying?

I had a chance to work in marketing and you can't even compare. Engineers just combine and assemble what they learned from textbooks. I've spent lots of time with electronics engineers, and all the new products they can imagine are new measurement instruments. And guess what, these measurement instruments are used to measure what other instruments are doing. Like going in a circle.

Like one in thousand if I had seen an engineer to come up with new product. While marketing guys just churn new product ideas one per day.
 

Shadowprophet

Truthiness
@Georgek
You get to be more interesting the more I watch you.
The math and engineering and then the science too, You are a candy dish of conversation brother.
 

Georgek

George
I had a chance to work in marketing and you can't even compare. Engineers just combine and assemble what they learned from textbooks. I've spent lots of time with electronics engineers, and all the new products they can imagine are new measurement instruments. And guess what, these measurement instruments are used to measure what other instruments are doing. Like going in a circle.

Like one in thousand if I had seen an engineer to come up with new product. While marketing guys just churn new product ideas one per day.


I have to confess Dejan.....

You are absolutely correct and that is one qualified engineer to another forum member.

I had been saying this all along, and I should not be saying it because I am one myself.

Having studied with them, they are bloo*y idiots.

Dozy as well!
We do however have one of the most difficult degrees to get. Reason being is that we have memorise about 100 formula.
Being an engineer requires a good memory that is all.
The reason why I passed my BSc was because I learnt how to copy.

When I went to university I only had ONC qualifications and a few C&G s

I had failed all my exam at school because I was not interested. In later life I needed qualifications and went through 'the back door' to university.

In the UK we have an education system that primarily puts you on the 'ladder' when you are 11 years old.

It was called a scholarship and allowed those fortunate enough to go to Grammar school by which they would take 'O' Levels and then 'A' Levels by which they would enter university.

The ones who never got their Advanced Level General Education (they required 3) never made it to university and they became nasty arrogant buggers to take out their frustration on folks like myself.

They had to go through the 'back door' taking either HNC or HND. I got both of these and life was hell with these big headed ba*tards.

The ones who got there by natural efforts were okay.

When I entered the university system, I was unfit for a job and had to be retrained. Hence the Benefit Office sponsored and gave me free registration. They had to get rid of me from their system as I was a failure and bad for statistics. The reason why I was unemployable was because I walked out of a job and when I went for interviews I was too old, under qualified and a bad reputation for not keeping a job.

Without having part time employment was a big insult to them. Oh how they hated me.

These guys were roughly 19-20 years old and had the flow of previous education. I was about 32 years old and had not studied or had a book for 16 years and had to compete on their level. I had no qualifications at that stage because I was 'dead from 16 onward' and if I was no good they would have just chucked me out.

Fortunately I was good and they went to the principle to get me banned for getting too high marks. Saying that it was unfair that they had jobs and that I was a dead loss with no future of ever working again and did not need a degree.

When that failed, they would tear up my assignments so that I would lose marks.

I had to leave college (first year of degree course) and scrap one years work to study at another college by which they were the same. Stupid and nasty!

I dared not complain or lose my temper because I would have got chucked out of college.
I found BSc easy and realised that the only way I could get my own back on them was to beat them at exams and make THEM look the fools.
In Mechanical Science and Mathematics, I received a 94% pass mark and beat the lot of them. By which it was absolutely fantastic to watch them bury their heads in their hands and shake their heads!

They tried desperately to lower my marks but exams were controlled by moderators, but they did however lower mine by 5% as they had threatened to walk out.

Because things were very tense, it created more work for the staff and I had them as enemies which made it even more dangerous to complain.
I used to get comments like:- "Is this another one of your pastimes!!!??"

Oh yer they would have loved to lower my marks to almost nothing but they could not. So they started nick-picking on cover sheets being the wrong colour even though my course work was correct as to fail me. Which they did...but this time I just had enough because now my units were suffering.

I remember the principle telling me:- "YOU WHAT???....we don't want another Yugoslavia on our hands"

One of the staff was dismissed instantly and the work that I had failed got a distinction straight away.
Oh what kindness followed...lol

There were 46 who started the course and only ten gained their degree, as the rest could not cope .
When I was near finishing my first year at college and ready for DeMontfort University in Leicester, thery turned to me and said:-

"We tried to break you, but you handled it well...and now we respect you and will let you move on"

(yer because they lost)

At university they were all good guys! Reason being is that the main stream 'A' Level first time pass group were there and the 'back door' students had to shut their mouths! I got on fine with them! They just did not care what nationality or whatever your background was. You were there and that made you an equal!

From university I gained Mechatronics and computer sciences together with marketing and business studies ISO 4000/4001 JIT technology...the lot.

I became a computer engineer and started my own business and eventually retired by which together with my partner we are millionaires and own property.

Now I am looking for something easy...like Psychology leading to Parapsychology in Msc and hopefully become a doctor so that I can learn to write books. Being a Doctor in Parapsychology will shut a lot of mouths...lol

Trouble is, that all who believe in UFOs and the paranormal are deemed as crazy and there is no demand for work and hence very hard to get a paranormal degree!
There are a lot of 'crazies' about so they need doctors in psychology.

I am still not an A1 writer as I had suffered bad with my English at school but that will improve.


George
 
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Georgek

George
@Georgek
You get to be more interesting the more I watch you.
The math and engineering and then the science too, You are a candy dish of conversation brother.


Lol...you are a star Shadowprophet!

I am an A1 science engineer as well as CAD, CNC skills together with computer languages in C++ and robotics. My maths is Level 3 at Master of Science level which I attained unnecessarily.

(and I am not even paying you to say that:))

( well I am actually..but they need not know)
 

Shadowprophet

Truthiness
Lol...you are a star Shadowprophet!

I am an A1 science engineer as well as CAD, CNC skills together with computer languages in C++ and robotics. My maths is Level 3 at Master of Science level which I attained unnecessarily.

(and I am not even paying you to say that:))

( well I am actually..but they need not know)
Hmm, So you would know how to program one of these robot arms possibly?

I wanted to get one, But my thing is, I wanted to teach it how to roll a joint.

I know this sounds insane or like a waste of time, But trust me It's not. This thing will be very useful to me.
I used to code back in the day, I am fluent in C# C++ J++ Q basic just for funsies and a scripting language called Lua.. oh, And Html, But no one really considers Html to be an achievement of any kind lol.

You sound like just the guy to come to when I begin programming this thing lol. Cause I promise, I will have questions :p If that's cool.

I mean sure, it sounds like a waste of time, But who else has a robot that can roll doobies? Hmm. In retro sight, It may be easier to just make a machine that can do this. possibly lol
 

Dejan Corovic

As above, so bellow
I have to confess Dejan.....

You are absolutely correct and that is one qualified engineer to another forum member.

I had been saying this all along, and I should not be saying it because I am one myself.

Having studied with them, they are bloo*y idiots.

Dozy as well!
We do however have one of the most difficult degrees to get. Reason being is that we have memorise about 100 formula.
Being an engineer requires a good memory that is all.
The reason why I passed my BSc was because I learnt how to copy.

When I went to university I only had ONC qualifications and a few C&G s

I had failed all my exam at school because I was not interested. In later life I needed qualifications and went through 'the back door' to university.

In the UK we have an education system that primarily puts you on the 'ladder' when you are 11 years old.

It was called a scholarship and allowed those fortunate enough to go to Grammar school by which they would take 'O' Levels and then 'A' Levels by which they would enter university.

The ones who never got their Advanced Level General Education (they required 3) never made it to university and they became nasty arrogant buggers to take out their frustration on folks like myself.

They had to go through the 'back door' taking either HNC or HND. I got both of these and life was hell with these big headed ba*tards.

The ones who got there by natural efforts were okay.

When I entered the university system, I was unfit for a job and had to be retrained. Hence the Benefit Office sponsored and gave me free registration. They had to get rid of me from their system as I was a failure and bad for statistics. The reason why I was unemployable was because I walked out of a job and when I went for interviews I was too old, under qualified and a bad reputation for not keeping a job.

Without having part time employment was a big insult to them. Oh how they hated me.

These guys were roughly 19-20 years old and had the flow of previous education. I was about 32 years old and had not studied or had a book for 16 years and had to compete on their level. I had no qualifications at that stage because I was 'dead from 16 onward' and if I was no good they would have just chucked me out.

Fortunately I was good and they went to the principle to get me banned for getting too high marks. Saying that it was unfair that they had jobs and that I was a dead loss with no future of ever working again and did not need a degree.

When that failed, they would tear up my assignments so that I would lose marks.

I had to leave college (first year of degree course) and scrap one years work to study at another college by which they were the same. Stupid and nasty!

I dared not complain or lose my temper because I would have got chucked out of college.
I found BSc easy and realised that the only way I could get my own back on them was to beat them at exams and make THEM look the fools.
In Mechanical Science and Mathematics, I received a 94% pass mark and beat the lot of them. By which it was absolutely fantastic to watch them bury their heads in their hands and shake their heads!

They tried desperately to lower my marks but exams were controlled by moderators, but they did however lower mine by 5% as they had threatened to walk out.

Because things were very tense, it created more work for the staff and I had them as enemies which made it even more dangerous to complain.
I used to get comments like:- "Is this another one of your pastimes!!!??"

Oh yer they would have loved to lower my marks to almost nothing but they could not. So they started nick-picking on cover sheets being the wrong colour even though my course work was correct as to fail me. Which they did...but this time I just had enough because now my units were suffering.

I remember the principle telling me:- "YOU WHAT???....we don't want another Yugoslavia on our hands"

One of the staff was dismissed instantly and the work that I had failed got a distinction straight away.
Oh what kindness followed...lol

There were 46 who started the course and only ten gained their degree, as the rest could not cope .
When I was near finishing my first year at college and ready for DeMontfort University in Leicester, thery turned to me and said:-

"We tried to break you, but you handled it well...and now we respect you and will let you move on"

(yer because they lost)

At university they were all good guys! Reason being is that the main stream 'A' Level first time pass group were there and the 'back door' students had to shut their mouths! I got on fine with them! They just did not care what nationality or whatever your background was. You were there and that made you an equal!

From university I gained Mechatronics and computer sciences together with marketing and business studies ISO 4000/4001 JIT technology...the lot.

I became a computer engineer and started my own business and eventually retired by which together with my partner we are millionaires and own property.

Now I am looking for something easy...like Psychology leading to Parapsychology in Msc and hopefully become a doctor so that I can learn to write books. Being a Doctor in Parapsychology will shut a lot of mouths...lol

Trouble is, that all who believe in UFOs and the paranormal are deemed as crazy and there is no demand for work and hence very hard to get a paranormal degree!
There are a lot of 'crazies' about so they need doctors in psychology.

I am still not an A1 writer as I had suffered bad with my English at school but that will improve.


George

Yeah, I live in UK as well. I am engineer as well, have BSc in structural engineering. But worked as programmer for business applications most of my life. And I am self thought in marketing, electronics and now learning physics and general relativity. Lets get in touch.

Why do you mention Yugoslavia? I am from the former Yugoslavia :).

UFOs are not crazy. They are here and we have to accept and adjust to that. Plus, there is huge opportunity for us to learn from them, not just about technology, but how to develop our society. There is a ton of SCIENTIFIC information about UFOs. I've collected, and I keep collecting, a ton of down to earth proper scientific info created by serious people with PhDs and Drs. But people who want to look at it are rare, only @Thomas R. Morrison in this forum, because folks without science background can't relate to it, and 99% of folks with sci. background are to scared to accept the idea as real. Although there are few scientists about who are treating it seriously, even have their closed forums.

Problem is cocktail made of luck of scientific education (bloody "common sense") and fear of peer pressure. Here in forum 95% of people use pseudonym and yet they don't let themselves publicly admit what they believe. But when one looks at publicly available scientific UFO data is plainly obvious that UFOs are here. If I am wrong, let anybody explain to me, why 5 governments had setup UFO research institutes funded by public money: France, Belgium and three smaller countries from South America. Not to mention that UK acknowledges UFO existence, with stipulation that phenomena is not of security concern. France even doubled down and established two institutes, one military and other civilian GEPAN with physicist Dr. Claude Poher. France pushed UFO agenda for establishing military and diplomatic protocol for dealing with incoming UFOs on the NATO level. Only country that blocked French proposal was US. Essentially US knows something and doesn't want others to find out more.

Just some heavy weight name dropping, to round it off. Admiral of the Fleet Peter John Hill-Norton, who later became a peer for life as Baron in House of Lords (one of the closest friends of Margaret Thatcher), and who was Chairman of the NATO Military Committee, he personally promoted the same idea as French about UFOs, both publicly and behind closed government doors. And Air Chief Marshal Hugh Dowding, 1st Baron Dowding, the commander of the Royal Air Force during the Battle of Britain, actively promoted the ideas of presence of UFOs and personally organized public workshops in south England where he retired. Question is if a guy who was Chairman of NATO and guy who saved Britain from Blitz were UFO crackpots, than who's level headed?
 
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Georgek

George
Hmm, So you would know how to program one of these robot arms possibly?

I wanted to get one, But my thing is, I wanted to teach it how to roll a joint.

I know this sounds insane or like a waste of time, But trust me It's not. This thing will be very useful to me.
I used to code back in the day, I am fluent in C# C++ J++ Q basic just for funsies and a scripting language called Lua.. oh, And Html, But no one really considers Html to be an achievement of any kind lol.

You sound like just the guy to come to when I begin programming this thing lol. Cause I promise, I will have questions :p If that's cool.

I mean sure, it sounds like a waste of time, But who else has a robot that can roll doobies? Hmm. In retro sight, It may be easier to just make a machine that can do this. possibly lol


Hi 'Shadowprophet'

Oh those were the days as in a way it seemed like yesterday and in another it was 28 years.
Most of the formula and computer languages are all but a distant memory as things certainly do not improve with age...lol

I recollect that old Q Basic being DOS nd the old Autoexec.Bat files with many of these DOS commands Oh and the config.sys...lol

Then that compiler to check whether your C++ program worked ? As I recollect the DX400s crunching away as the processor worked at it's hardest.
The Makro codes were a pain with the loop systems.

I used to program the CNC machines. Computer Numerical Control straight from the CAD co-ordinates. Computer Aided Drawing. The old 'G' codes .

I did learn a bit about robotics and to0 be honest, little has changed. I 'dug up' some of my old modules to find out more.


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I believe I got an 'A' grade in Robotics?

The robot that you have shown is a Cartesian Robot with the major three axis .

I can't remember whether there was yaw movement on the effector?

Most robots use a technique called:- "Lead by Nose" meaning that you can record a set of XYZ codes by moving the robot by hand and recording the sequence for playback.

Wow.......A long time ago and the problem is that if you do not constantly use the knowledge for work, it is easily forgotten.

If I had to design a robot now, I would probably have to come to you...lol

The good thing about this lost knowledge as we grow older, is that we can always read up on it again. As for remembering I sometimes wonder how I did it?

I was good...the best and had a hard time to get what I got by the resentment of others.

Did finally get my Bsc but again that was in 1995 before most were born. I also got a second grade degree and about 12 City and Guild exams and further afield into computing.

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By all means ask me what you wish....but I may need my dinosaur handbook
George:)
 

Georgek

George
Hi Dejan,

Why do you mention Yugoslavia? I am from the former Yugoslavia

This was purely what the college principle told me when I complained by the way that I was treated by some of the staff.

One particular lecturer used his 16 year students to tell me off for working too long in the workshops. It was a way of degrading and humiliating, as to show that I was an old and a waste of time.

His grievance came about because I did not enrol on a separate course. I needed the workshop for my HNC as to manufacture a working prototype electronic torque wrench using strain gauges.

It was not possible for me to enrol because I had already enrolled for C&G as well as a Bsc making it just under 32 hours allowed by the Benefit Office, otherwise I would not be able to pay my stamps.

Resentment grew because he was in control .

The education system at the time was trying to promote Mature Students. It was considered as an equal opportunity to allow those with a poorer background to better themselves.

Young students hated mature students because they sought themselves as prime importance and we were the odd ones there. The Brits also hate those on Benefits and without a job, as I was considered a loser after their qualifications was at risk through modulation when only so many were allowed to pass. My life was meant to be over. They considered those on the benefit system as sponging of them and made life difficult for me.

My crime was trying to better myself whilst they wanted me to rot. The principle made a point of all the unrest in Yugoslavia because of the different ethnic groups that were tearing the country apart creating a civil war.

He did not want a class/age war at his college and wanted to stamp out the prejudice by stopping it. Hence making his point, that if things are not controlled then they can spiral out of hand. There was no direct implication that your country was at fault . He just referred to what was happening and wanted to take heed. He was concerned that as he was the principle, he was worried about the unrest.

If I am wrong, let anybody explain to me, why 5 governments had setup UFO research institutes funded by public money: France, Belgium and three smaller countries from South America. Not to mention that UK acknowledges UFO existence, with stipulation that phenomena is not of security concern. France even doubled down and established two institutes, one military and other civilian GEPAN with physicist Dr. Claude Poher. France pushed UFO agenda for establishing military and diplomatic protocol for dealing with incoming UFOs on the NATO level. Only country that blocked French proposal was US. Essentially US knows something and doesn't want others to find out more.

The problem here Dejan, is that we have to look at the wider picture. The governments are well aware about UFOs and to an extent know why thy are here.

As to acknowledge the existence of UFOs here in the UK and other major cities I find that difficult to accept.
What we have to be careful is the awareness of the public. They have to be darn right crazy to dare stipulate that UFOs exist because of the uproar from the public sector.

Do you realise how that would break religion and demoralise the governments? It would be like saying that Jesus is God? We say to them to go away and believe what they want, but as soon as you make that public, it is like saying that Christmas is not Winter Wonderland anymore.

If these were public announcements there would be outrage.

I think to be fair Dejan, we can say:- "Yer...taker a look at them because more and more people report UFOs as the government will just say that it is it's duty to investigate these claims..that is all"

It is like a brick going through your window and reporting it to the police. They have a duty to investigate, but that does not mean that they BELIEVE or ACCEPT that a brick had been thrown.
Merely suggests an investigation as a duty of protection.

I doubt that any more will be heard about the reality of UFOs and any report will be hushed up. Look at it this way:-

What do you think will happen if there is so much outcry from selected groups and the governments do nothing about it?

People will say:- "Ahhh.....you see they dare not investigate"

The governments do not need to investigate....they KNOW what is out there and together with the aliens , they realise what will happen if any of this got out?

Just my opinion.

Regards

George:)
 
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Georgek

George
The Time/Space Continuum
I recollect work that I was doing by applying parallels to Einsteins relativity theory of E=MC^2 to the energy stored in a flywheel
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If you look above you can see that the formula are similar.

The interesting thing about Analytical Maths, is that you can work something out one way and then check your answer another way.
If Einstein had not invented relativity and that light bends, I think would have?

Einstein's theory is more linear whereby mine is based on rotary motion and the ability to store that energy, with the minimal loss by allowing another cycle to create more energy.

Although the formula looks complicated, they derive from simple harmonic motion.
Frequency can be referred to as Periodic Time (1/f) and the illustration of a a pendulum clock is the pioneer of our Sine tables.

When referring to the clock, we can see how max acceleration is at zero velocity and vice versa.
Motion is harmonic until light bends.

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Here we have our simple origin of log tables.

For example opp/hyp = Sine ratio of whatever angle we are studying.

Or perhaps Pythagoras by which we can calculate root square and Tangent tables.

We move along a two dimensional path by representation and can see our x-y axis stretch and shorten by representation of one force against another Or perhaps one line being velocity and the other acceleration?

The basis of the universe can also be seen in this simple right angled triangle.
The push-pull principle can be seen by the transient that allows motion.

If we move on to our Third Dimensional representation
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We can see that we are starting to introduce a time factor by a resultant.

Our simple Sine wave is now a spring.

By transposing further our formula boggles as our spring turns to a globe. The globe however is still a circle from our two dimensional view point and our harmonic motion is still harmonised as we get back to this

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We have now reached E=MC^2

Now visualise this as maths start to break down.....


Everything is in equilibrium and things are okay UNLESS our right angle 'B' is no more a right angle.

We get a phase shift based on increased forces or speed.
If we break the time barrier, our globe will start to bulge into an egg because as we go faster than light our X axis will collapse into infinity as the 'Y' axis collapses to zero.

The 'Z' will accelerate at infinite speed with less energy allowing exponential growth at multiple magnitudes.

Time 't' will shorten as to bend light.


Now you can visualises this .

How many films have you seen with warp drive as the universe flattens into a single line and the craft shoots forward?


George
 
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What we have to be careful is the awareness of the public. They have to be darn right crazy to dare stipulate that UFOs exist because of the uproar from the public sector.

Do you realise how that would break religion and demoralise the governments? It would be like saying that Jesus is God? We say to them to go away and believe what they want, but as soon as you make that public, it is like saying that Christmas is not Winter Wonderland anymore.
I don't buy this argument - it was probably dreamed up by the Brookings Institute as propaganda to dissuade the intelligence services from going public about the topic.

In fact I find the whole basis of this argument revolting - it paints human beings as simpering infants who can't handle any revelation which reshapes their perspective on life.

But time and time again we've proven our fortitude for jarring revelations.

Before we had any means of defense, we learned that an asteroid could wipe out all life on Earth. Nobody panicked.
We faced the AIDS epidemic, and SARS, and the swine flu and the bird flu. No nation toppled.
We endured the threat of instant nuclear annihilation for the decades of the Cold War. Still we stood strong.
We saw fascism sweep through Europe and overcome nearly all of our closest allies. We rose up and defeated it.

The (painfully obvious) revelation that we're not alone in the universe, and we're not the most advanced species in the galaxy, would at best inspire a yawn from most people. In fact I bet that most people already assume these things to be true. As long as it doesn't interrupt the Sunday football game, most people could care less if the government finally admits that UFOs are making a mockery of our air defenses on a fairly regular basis. The real reason that most people never bother to look up into the sky, is that they don't care what's up there - it has no impact on their daily lives. So unless UFOs start landing in our football stadiums during a game, most people won't care what the government has to say about it one way or the other.
 

CasualBystander

Celestial
Could Parallel Universes Be Physically Real?

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We can imagine a very large number of possible outcomes that could have resulted from the conditions our Universe was born with. The fact that all 10^90 particles contained within our Universe unfolded with the interactions they experienced and the outcomes that they arrived at over the past 13.8 billion years led to all the intricacies of our experiences, including our very existence. It is possible, if there were enough chances, that this could occur many times, leading to a scenario that we think of as "infinite parallel Universes" that contain all possible outcomes, including the roads our Universe didn't travel.
Jaime Salcido/simulations by the EAGLE Collaboration

You've likely imagined it before: another Universe out there, just like this one, where all the random events and chances that brought about our reality exactly as it is played out just the same. Except right now, when you made one fateful decision in this Universe, you took an alternate path in this other Universe. These two Universes, which ran parallel to one another for so long, suddenly diverge.

Perhaps our Universe, with the version of events we're familiar with, isn't the only one out there. Perhaps there are other Universes, perhaps even with different versions of ourselves, different histories and alternate outcomes from what we've experienced. This isn't just fiction, but one of the most exciting possibilities brought up by theoretical physics. Here's what the science says about whether parallel Universes might actually be real.

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On a logarithmic scale, the Universe nearby has the solar system and our Milky Way galaxy. But far beyond are all the other galaxies in the Universe, the large-scale cosmic web, and eventually the moments immediately following the Big Bang itself. Although we cannot observe farther than this cosmic horizon which is presently a distance of 46.1 billion light-years away, there will be more Universe to reveal itself to us in the future. The observable Universe contains 2 trillion galaxies today, but as time goes on, more Universe will become observable to us, perhaps revealing some cosmic truths that are obscure to us today. - Wikipedia user Pablo Carlos Budassi

As vast as our Universe might be, the part that we can see, access, affect, or be affected by is finite and quantifiable. Including photons and neutrinos, it contains some 1090 particles, clumped and clustered together into approximately two trillion galaxies, with perhaps another two-to-three trillion galaxies that will reveal themselves to us as the Universe continues to expand.

Each such galaxy comes with around a trillion stars inside it (on average), and these galaxies clump together in an enormous, cosmos-spanning web that extends for 46 billion light-years away from us in all directions. But, despite what our intuition might tell us, that doesn’t mean we’re at the center of a finite Universe. In fact, the full suite of evidence indicates something quite to the contrary.

The reason the Universe appears finite in size to us — the reason we can’t see anything that’s more than a specific distance away — isn’t because the Universe is actually finite in size, but is rather because the Universe has only existed in its present state for a finite amount of time.

If you learn nothing else about the Big Bang, it should be this: the Universe was not constant in space or in time, but rather has evolved from a more uniform, hotter, denser state to a clumpier, cooler and more diffuse state today. As we go to earlier and earlier times, the Universe appears smoother and with fewer, less-evolved galaxies; as we look to later times, the galaxies are larger and more massive, consisting of older stars, with greater distances separating galaxies, groups, and clusters from one another.

This has given us a rich Universe, containing many relics from our shared cosmic history, including:



    • many generations of stars,
    • an ultra-cold background of leftover radiation,
    • galaxies that appear to recede away from us ever-more-rapidly the more distant they are,
    • with a fundamental limit to how far back we can see.
The limit to our cosmic perspective is set by the distance that light has had the ability to travel since the moment of the Big Bang.

But this in no way means that there isn’t more Universe out there beyond the portion that’s accessible to us. In fact, there's both observational and theoretical arguments that point to the existence of much more Universe beyond what we see: perhaps even infinitely more.

(much more on the link)

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The universe is expanding at about 2.5 times the speed of light.

This is why there is a red shift.

Now, these are rough numbers:

The highest red shift is about 11.

The furthest galaxy is 13.3 billion light years away and we will never see much further.

It started off about 8 billion light years from us.

We will see about 0.5 light year further every year and that is slowly decreasing.

The other problem is that 13.3 billion light years is close enough to the age of the universe that there won't be any bright galaxies to see much further (interstellar gas isn't interesting to look at).

What is missed by people is looking in the distance is looking back in time and you can't see past first star formation.

So we will never see what was more than about 8.5 billion light years away from us originally.
 

Shadowprophet

Truthiness
The universe is expanding at about 2.5 times the speed of light.

This is why there is a red shift.

Now, these are rough numbers:

The highest red shift is about 11.

The furthest galaxy is 13.3 billion light years away and we will never see much further.

It started off about 8 billion light years from us.

We will see about 0.5 light year further every year and that is slowly decreasing.

The other problem is that 13.3 billion light years is close enough to the age of the universe that there won't be any bright galaxies to see much further (interstellar gas isn't interesting to look at).

What is missed by people is looking in the distance is looking back in time and you can't see past first star formation.

So we will never see what was more than about 8.5 billion light years away from us originally.

The universe is expanding at roughly 72 kilometers per second per megaparsec, While the speed of light is about 299.792 kilometers per second Expansion of the universe - Wikipedia The universe is expanding at roughly 1/4th the speed of light or about 25 percent lightspeed. If the universe were to expand FTL all physical matter would break down into energy.
 

Dejan Corovic

As above, so bellow
The universe is expanding at roughly 72 kilometers per second per megaparsec, While the speed of light is about 299.792 kilometers per second Expansion of the universe - Wikipedia The universe is expanding at roughly 1/4th the speed of light or about 25 percent lightspeed. If the universe were to expand FTL all physical matter would break down into energy.

You are forgetting that one has to integrate over the distance of 13.3 light years. I heard so many times that universe is expanding at FTL speed, from reputable academics etc., it can't be wrong. Where on that wiki page they say that universe expands at 0.25c?

Here is more succint explanation of why universe expands @ FTL: How Can the Universe Expand Faster Than the Speed of Light?

Here is a quote that sums it up:

"It's true that in special relativity, nothing can move faster than light. But special relativity is a local law of physics. Or in other words, it's a law of local physics. That means that you will never, ever watch a rocket ship blast by your face faster than the speed of light. Local motion, local laws.

But a galaxy on the far side of the universe? That's the domain of general relativity, and general relativity says: who cares! That galaxy can have any speed it wants, as long as it stays way far away, and not up next to your face."


It boils down to the fact that "stretching of space-time" is not relative motion. Space-time can stretch at any speed it wants, because when you stretch, or scale up, spacetime distance stayed the same. That's principle on what warp drives would work.

Do you realize how that would break religion and demoralise the governments? It would be like saying that Jesus is God? We say to them to go away and believe what they want, but as soon as you make that public, it is like saying that Christmas is not Winter Wonderland anymore.

As long as it doesn't interrupt the Sunday football game, most people could care less if the government finally admits that UFOs are making a mockery of our air defenses on a fairly regular basis.

I don't agree with "huge disturbance" idea. It would be sensation for about 2 weeks max. Than everybody will just get on with life. Particularly if people are conditioned slowly into it, like planets with water and oxygen are discovered etc. Gov. will look stupid, so what? It happens rarely, but we don't expect them to be perfect.
 
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Shadowprophet

Truthiness
You are forgetting that one has to integrate over the distance of 13.3 light years. I heard so many times that universe is expanding at FTL speed, from reputable academics etc., it can't be wrong. Where on that wiki page they say that universe expands at 0.25c?





I don't agree with "huge disturbance" idea. It would be sensation for about 2 weeks max. Than everybody will just get on with life. Particularly if people are conditioned slowly into it, like planets with water and oxygen are discovered etc. Gov. will look stupid, so what? It happens rarely, but we don't expect them to be perfect.

FTL expansion is a misnomer. Yes, some people claim FTL expansion happens, by that's in relation to two accelerated objects moving away from each other. When two objects are moving in opposite directions of one another they are both moving at the same great speed but from point 1 it looks like that other object is traveling away from us at twice speed. this is where that misnomer originated. George or Thomas could explain this phenomenon better than I, people get the notion that the universe is expanding that fast but they don't count for relation speed. Here is a page all about this Is the universe expanding faster than the speed of light? (Intermediate) - Curious About Astronomy? Ask an Astronomer
 

Dejan Corovic

As above, so bellow
He did not want a class/age war at his college and wanted to stamp out the prejudice by stopping it. Hence making his point, that if things are not controlled then they can spiral out of hand. There was no direct implication that your country was at fault . He just referred to what was happening and wanted to take heed. He was concerned that as he was the principle, he was worried about the unrest.

Just on a side note, with Brexit catastrophe Britain is going in the same direction as old Yugo. Brexit = Economic Collapse = rise of irrational nationalism. Scotland and Wales will separate before not too long, maybe Cornwall as well. For me, it's like watching the Yugo replay in slow mo.
 

Dejan Corovic

As above, so bellow
When two objects are moving in opposite directions of one another they are both moving at the same great speed but from point 1 it looks like that other object is traveling away from us at twice speed.

That's not how it works. I modified my post after you wrote your comment. It is exactly as in the edited post. You're thinking in Newtonian terms. Special relativity is about local events, general relativity is about universe. There is no interaction between us and the galaxies on the universe's horizon, because we are not local to each other. Essentially universe is constantly creating new spacetime out of nothing, so what was a foot billion years ago, is now a meter :).

In modern cosmology universe is accelerating because space-time is constantly creating itself. That's what dark energy is. Space-time that creates itself and breaks all the laws of thermodynamics is what creates acceleration of universe. You can google Einstein's biggest blunder. It is a factor lambda in GR equations or cosmological constant.
 

Georgek

George
Just on a side note, with Brexit catastrophe Britain is going in the same direction as old Yugo. Brexit = Economic Collapse = rise of irrational nationalism. Scotland and Wales will separate before not too long, maybe Cornwall as well. For me, it's like watching the Yugo replay in slow mo.
I have to agree as well Dejan,

If we look at the political charts, party distribution is intense based on location.
Reason they stick together so far is 'safety in numbers'

With the withdrawal from the EU, it could spell more chaos?

I think the answer is/was that we should never have joined.
Brexit seems to want all the things for prosperity of the UK and at the same time we want to leave the EU.
We can't have it both ways.

I see that you are a Londoner. My cousin lives around Essex with much prosperity and has his own swimming pool.
Over here in Nottingham, it is bad. People are nasty and the slightest thing sets them off. You can pap your car whilst driving, they can chase after to kill you. There is no politeness and people do not speak to each other much.

We are fortunate to have good neighbours generally. The problem is people dare not speak anymore because they generally do not want to be friendly They only speak when you get in their way.

It is a gang thing or irrational nationalism . Having two heads don't help either...lol
When I used to be in business, my customers used to say that it was like a 'breath of fresh air' when I walked in. I had always been on good terms with all my customers because I treated them with respect. Some were arrogant but that never bothered me and I could see why they chose me..lol

They treated me as a friend. Most were in pain because their computer had broken and I was the guy to fix it.
Oh yer you get their frustration and called this and that...but that ws their pain talking. lol

I used to say:- "Lynette ...you have given me a headache...I will come back later"
"Would you like a cup of tea George?"
I would say:- "yer and another twenty pounds for the extra grief you had caused me!"

Then we would both laugh.
Oh I used to have some fun!

There was one guy:-

I said:-

"Where's my chair?"

"Oh I can't afford one...but don't worry...I will be kicking the girlfriend out next week and the council will give me a new flat"

So I said:-

"In the meantime you will have to kneel down so that I can sit on your back!"
You can be working away on someone's computer and the room could be empty. Having concentrated for so long, you then turn your back to find about twenty kids filling the room.
Asking who they are, you get a run down on family virtues and how many kids are his and the ones from previous relationships.

So you ask:-

"Is the telly broke as well?"

They either kick you out or laugh...but much has changed.

There is a break up of society that starts with family values. Then people join gangs and groups and then we get all kinds of pockets of resistance.

We now have The Global Warming-Green peace.
Global warming...what global warming?

I burn some of their pamphlets to keep warm...lol

George:)
 

Georgek

George
Before we had any means of defense, we learned that an asteroid could wipe out all life on Earth. Nobody panicked.
We faced the AIDS epidemic, and SARS, and the swine flu and the bird flu. No nation toppled.

That is what I heard about an asteroid wiping out life on Earth as the aliens were going to send some.

It turned out not to be asteroids but haemorrhoids.

Thought the swine flue was what the police got?

Bird flue ?

I wondered what all the pigeons were doing at the pharmacists or chemists?

I suffered a lot of 'Foot and Mouth'

(Got the boot up the gob when I spoke)
 

Georgek

George

The Expanding Universe and Energy Transformation Allowing Past-Future Phase Shift


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Apologies for my poor drawings.

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Ahh this is better. This is our harmonic vibration in 3D

Better represented from 2D

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Okay we are back on 2D

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Still stable

Now faster and faster and even faster than light aand suddenly our globe collapses. In taht globe there are thouands of Sine waves.

Imagine a transmitter areal

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All these Sine waves radiating outward.

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We now have an oblate spheroid as light bends.

A bit of similar maths

Volume of a spheroid using calculus
 

Georgek

George

The Expanding Universe and Energy Transformation Allowing Past-Future Phase Shift


D8UpcG-UEAEehyS.jpg


Apologies for my poor drawings.

1200px-Sphere_wireframe_10deg_6r.svg.png


Ahh this is better. This is our harmonic vibration in 3D

Better represented from 2D

circle-R.jpg
Okay we are back on 2D

1024px-Latitude_and_longitude_graticule_on_a_sphere.svg.png

Still stable

Now faster and faster and even faster than light aand suddenly our globe collapses. In taht globe there are thouands of Sine waves.

Imagine a transmitter areal

images


All these Sine waves radiating outward.

Rein_2.jpg

We now have an oblate spheroid as light bends.

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The sphere is our expanding universe as the diameter gets bigger and bigger in the stable state.

Travelling faster than light bends the sphere allowing the axis collapse allowing travel into a parallel universe.

Of course all theories as it cannot be p[roved.
When we use maths, it is possible to see the result because maths tells us that we can do it providing we can exceed time 186 million miles per second squared.

By which we collapse our sphere by distortion into an ellipse. Time folds up and as speed increases as we move faster than light to exceed the rotation of our sphere at light speed.

We overtake but still in the here-now by which the light had not reached us yet or we go back where light had passed.
In effect we will reach full circle but have moved faster into where we left off.
 
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