To The Stars Academy: Investigating the Unexplained

Dejan Corovic

As above, so bellow
Kaku is one of the more open minded science populizers on this subject, too bad hes an anomaly still among them all. Tyson, Nye, Shostak.... not so much. They take the safe position.

By not acknowledging the existence of UFOs, mainstream scientists are actually doing disservice and damage to science as a whole. Acknowledging existence of UFOs would focus scientific minds on discovering how alien technology works for our own benefit.

Because of inaction, we are wasting valuable opportunity, just because we are simply afraid of aliens. Not to mention the huge amount of resources that are wasted on inferior rocket technology. If after Roswell, back in 1947, we started working on reverse engineering this technology and put some serious money behind the research we would have it flying buy now.
 
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Dejan Corovic

As above, so bellow
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Rubbish, there was that ELINT spy plane back in 50's with a full set of electronic measurements.
 

nivek

As Above So Below
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nivek

As Above So Below
Old technology doesn't necessarily mean ineffective.

Yeah this is true, I have a mix of old and new tech, some old tech like my oscilloscope I am quite happy with and wouldn't replace unless it died...

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By not acknowledging the existence of UFOs, mainstream scientists are actually doing disservice and damage to science as a whole. Acknowledging existence of UFOs would focus scientific minds on discovering how alien technology works for our own benefit.

Because of inaction, we are wasting valuable opportunity, just because we are simply afraid of aliens. Not to mention the huge amount of resources that are wasted on inferior rocket technology. If after Roswell, back in 1947, we started working on reverse engineering this technology and put some serious money behind the research we would have it flying buy now.

IF were dealing with aliens, I think theyre only intrested when you get an alien body or a craft into the lab to be dissected. Anything less than that is usually ignored or Occams razored.

Good luck! How exactly would anyone be able to accomplish that, if the aliens themselves dont wish it, and the people who maybe have these crafts/materials in their possession dont wish it, if theyre so deep inside black programs that may even be private, outside lot of the government oversight? Whos going to accomplish all of this? We the people? We cant even agree what to do on things that are in plain sight.
 
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Dejan Corovic

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Good luck! How exactly would anyone be able to accomplish that, if the aliens themselves dont wish it, and the people who maybe have these crafts/materials in their possession dont wish it, if theyre so deep inside black programs that may even be private, outside lot of the government oversight? Whos going to accomplish all of this? We the people? We cant even agree what to do on things that are in plain sight.

It's really easy, because UFOs leave heaps of physical traces behind themselves. Because physics is so deterministic, only a relatively small number of scenarios would match, say 100. So you throw money at all 100 scientific scenarios.

That would create a huge boost for science anyway. A large number of these experiments would be duds, but importantly, many of these experiments will produce spin offs that will be very profitable and pay back for the large portion of the research and eventually one of these experiments would nail UFO propulsion.

Please, keep in mind that this is not a small question, because it would enable us to:
  1. Exploit resources of the whole Solar system,
  2. It will make us from interplanetary species to an interstellar species. That would give an unimaginable boost to economy of the whole planet. It will enable us to create a business relationship with other interstellar species and trade resources and technology with them.
  3. It would enable us to to stop global warming in its tracks and create climate control for the whole planet Earth.

It's only a question of resources you throw at it. Reversing UFO propulsion is on the same order of importance as Manhattan project, nothing less.

Of course, all the above is just a promotional plug for a community driven UFO propulsion reverse engineering project I am doing here with two other high profile AE forum members. You can follow the project in this thread Will be releasing exact method of UFO propulsion very soon.
 
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nivek

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Kaku is one of the more open minded science populizers on this subject, too bad hes an anomaly still among them all. Tyson, Nye, Shostak.... not so much. They take the safe position.

A major skeptic Mick West has a take on what Kaku said...

 
Well hes right, those videos dont really show that much. All we have about those alleged speeds and maneuvers are the witnesses, Elizondo and companys words so far. Only further examination i have seen is the SCU report, which has its shares of speculation. Original data we have not examined, it remains out of reach. Clearer videos, radar data, the AATIP calculations etc. And no, a 3 minute sit down with aviation experts on a tv show is not rigorous analyzing on the videos.

Apparently there is something tough, since the government seems to think the things in the videos elude identification. So I think West is wrong if he thinks theyre something that can be explained easily, unless the government investigators, experts and several dozens of navy pilots are grossly incompetent in recognizing planes and balloons, or for some reason did a very sloppy and cursory investigation. They havent been able to explain the Nimitz object in 15 years, if Mick West thinks he can solve the whole mystery in a couple of months, based on limited data with no context, hes welcome to try :D .

Would love to see the original data someday. I wonder what the senators got to see?
 
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nivek

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Would love to see the original data someday. I wonder what the senators got to see?

I would like to see the full videos, especially the Nimitz video, but I have the feeling if the video clips we've seen were not authorized for release and obviously were released, they will probably lock down those full videos, we will never get to see them...

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nivek

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Here's a good read from The Unidentified...

NAVY RESPONDS TO QUESTIONS FROM ROGER GLASSEL ON UNIDENTIFIED AERIAL PHENOMENON

Some great work from Roger Glassel provides us with further insight into the Navy’s position on UAP and also UAS. See below.

*Source interview belongs to the work of Roger Glassel.

Swedish Magazine UFO-aktuellt
Follow-Up Query – Responses
16 September 2019

5) Was the Navy involved in the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program to study Unidentified Aerial Phenomena reported by U.S. Navy pilots or other credible sources?

A5) The AATIP program involved offices from across the Department of Defense, including Navy. Details remain classified. For additional information, I would refer you to the Department of Defense.

6) Has any of the unidentified objects in the three videos released now been explained by the Navy or any other component in the U.S. Defense Department?

A6) Neither has the Navy nor any other DoD component has publicly released characterizations, descriptions, hypothesis, or conclusions in regards to the objects contained in the referenced videos.

7) Was the new reporting guidelines updated due to pilots fear of ridicule for reporting sightings of Unidentified Aerial Phenomena and UFOs?

A7) We have updated guidelines and simplified the process to facilitate reporting of unidentified aerial phenomena in order to support an objective, data-driven analysis of the range incursions. By providing updated guidelines and conducting more open discussion of our efforts, we are working to remove any stigmas associated with reporting anything unknown in the airspace. Initial, informal, revised reporting guidance has been provided to the fleet, through message traffic and briefings, with detailed steps for reporting each incident. More formal guidanceis in staffing and will be promulgated fleet-wide when completed.

8)Has the Navy, or any other component, come to the conclusion that some of the unidentified sightings reported is due to an aerial phenomena with technological features not currently known to mankind?

A8) The Navy has not publicly released characterizations or descriptions, nor released any hypothesis or conclusions in reference to any reported sightings/observations. As the investigation of UAP sightings is ongoing, we will not discuss individual sighting reports/observations. However, all possible sources of information pertaining to any individual sighting reports/observations are considered in the respective investigations. The information obtained from each individual report of any suspected training range incursion will continue to be investigated in its own right. The information obtained in these reports will be catalogued and analyzed for the purpose ofidentifying any hazard to our aviators. This process could involve multiple Department of Defense and Intelligence Community organizations. Any report generated as a result of these investigations will, by necessity, include classified information on military operations. Therefore, no release of information to the general public is expected.

9) In the Navy’s effort to study reports of Unidentified Aerial Phenomena, was former DOD/OUSDI employee Luis Elizondo involved in such effort?

A9) While he was a U.S. government employee, Mr. Elizondooccasionally provided coordination and professional connections/liaison within DoD and the Office of the Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence.

10) What is the definition of Unidentified Aerial Phenomena used by the Navy and the U.S. Defense Department?

A10) “Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP)” is a term we borrowed from the UK – it’s any aerial phenomenon that cannot immediately be identified. The wide proliferation and availability of inexpensive unmanned aerial systems (UAS) isn’tcontradictory, it’s just when the UAS is *NOT* immediately identifiable we refer to it as UAP. A quadcopter is immediately identifiable. As we have previously acknowledged, the number of incursions into our ranges has increased with that wide proliferation and availability of inexpensive UAS. Additionally, we use the generic UAP term in communications so as not to pre-judge the results of any investigation.
Any range incursion by unauthorized craft affects the safety of our aviators and/or the security of our operations. Our revised reporting guidance solicits reports of any unauthorized craft (UAP or UAS) observed within our ranges so that we may investigate that range incursion. Incursions/sightings since 2014 may be referred to as either UAS or UAP, depending on the circumstances surrounding the specific incident in question.

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nivek

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So one point taken from the above quoted Q&A, the Navy confirmed to Roger Glassel that Elizondo was involved with their UAP studies...

Hey JG...q46

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Dean

Adept Dabbler
Here are the answers that Roger Glassel received from the Navy (September 16, 2019) as two .jpg images (this is what he posted on Twitter).
 

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nivek

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It's amazing all the talk about UFOs in the media, the Navy's admissions they don't know what these craft are, this is huge...Is this leading up to something more I wonder?...Are we being lead to a contact situation or is there a looming threat in our near future?...Or could it simply be a natural progression over time, that it was inevitable for some level of disclosure to take place?...

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Well see. It will probably die down soon if theres no follow up, and there usually isnt, not from the mainstream anyways. Even this admission would have remained in the dark, if Greenewald and others didnt do some pushing. Besides as long as its unknown, people can and will think its anything really, since unknown doesnt say much. They will fill those holes with their own truths. It could be aliens to some, it could be secret military craft to others or it could be hallucinations/misinterpretations to debunkers, depends whos looking at it. Thats how it always goes until theres something undeniable that removes all doubt.

IF there is some otherwordly presence here that wishes contact at some point, then id say yes, disclosure is inevitable at some point, unless we destroy ourselves first. It is as inevitable as growing to an adult. At the latest, it would happend when these others would reveal themselves to us in mass, no one could really deny that kind of a show. I sometimes think thats the only way this would happen, people and governments only seem to muddy the waters and argue around forever whose version of truth is more valid, like i mentioned before. And even after that theres probably gonna be some fringe groups who twist or deny the whole thing still, like religious fundamentalists or flat earthers. Never underestimate the power of denial. They dont matter tough in the big picture, the world can move on without them.

However we dont know what the offworlders timetable and requisitions would be for it, it could take the next 10 years or 1000 years. Maybe theyd want to check if we survive the hurdles that are coming, prove our worth so to speak. Just speculating here, but sapient species that is contact ready is probably preferred to show both intellectual, emotional and spiritual maturity to understand their responsibility in natures chain and protecting their planet and peoples, and technological prowess to start exploring the stars or creating AI. In that case wed be way off still.
 
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pigfarmer

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It will probably die down soon if theres no follow up, and there usually isnt, not from the mainstream anyways

Our attention span is measured in seconds. We've already forgotten a whole list of things we were hyper about for a day or two. On to the next.
 
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