spacecase0

earth human
for instant communications, I would use entanglement.
large scale quantum items can be used for this.
I did not test the speed last time I did this, but with my tests and what others have found with quantum things, pretty sure this can be figured out and will work.
 
for instant communications, I would use entanglement.
large scale quantum items can be used for this.
I did not test the speed last time I did this, but with my tests and what others have found with quantum things, pretty sure this can be figured out and will work.
No. Quantum entanglement cannot transmit information, because the superposition correlation can't be known until a measurement is made. This is well-established by both the mathematics and the experiments.

The proper way to think about entanglement is this: an entangled pair consists of a pair, say, one spin up and one spin down. You don't know which is which until you measure one half of the pair - once you do that, you know what the other half of the pair is. But since you can't influence the system without destroying the entangled condition, you can't encode information in this manner.
 

Dejan Corovic

As above, so bellow
Here is the proof that plasma surrounding a flying object will make it invisible to radar. The latest Russian hypersonic missiles are enveloped with plasma to become invisible to radars:


Please jump strengtht to 9:15

That is at least one aspect of how UFOs avoid radars and radar locks.
 

nivek

As Above So Below
That's awesome, would there be other applications for this design?...Would it work in space?...

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spacecase0

earth human
No. Quantum entanglement cannot transmit information, because the superposition correlation can't be known until a measurement is made. This is well-established by both the mathematics and the experiments.

The proper way to think about entanglement is this: an entangled pair consists of a pair, say, one spin up and one spin down. You don't know which is which until you measure one half of the pair - once you do that, you know what the other half of the pair is. But since you can't influence the system without destroying the entangled condition, you can't encode information in this manner.
my experience is that you don't need to destructively send information between the two
and after looking at the US navy patent , (us20190058105a1)
the idea of a large scale quantum event starts to really sink in
and that it matches with what I have seen from my test setups
 
my experience is that you don't need to destructively send information between the two
and after looking at the US navy patent , (us20190058105a1)
the idea of a large scale quantum event starts to really sink in
and that it matches with what I have seen from my test setups
I wish I could follow your reasoning, but I can't.

Physicists employ large-scale quantum phenomena all the time; the superconductive magnets in an MRI machine are one example. Let's leave the wildly improbable Salvatore Cezar Pais patent out of it - there are plenty of proven examples we can work with to clarify the discussion.

I don't know what you mean by "destructively send information" but I think you're referring to the collapse of superposition when a measurement is made on an entangled system.

But I do recall your fascinating descriptions of two electrical systems that appeared to act as if they were coupled even at a significant distance. That sounds a bit like entanglement at first blush, but if I recall correctly you were detecting changes in the field at a distance, and that's a different thing. Entanglement is about information encoded into pairs - each half of the pair having an opposite quantum state (like spin-up or spin-down). That's very different than field energy. Because in an entangled state, once you take a measurement, the entanglement is broken because the superposition collapses - you can't for example wiggle one of the pair and make the other part of the pair wiggle.

So if the effect that you described is real, and not a perceptual or experimental error of some kind, then it would seem that you've discovered an entirely new effect that's distinct from (and frankly more interesting than) quantum entanglement.

I wish you could replicate that effect for nivek - I bet between the two of you, you could either figure out what's going on, or at least quantify what sounds like an entirely new effect in the physical sciences.
 

nivek

As Above So Below
And as I think I've mentioned before, gravitational field technology also allows you to do really weird stuff like creating a craft that's larger on the inside than it is outside, which could also be quite useful.

Given the shapes and sizes of many of the UFOs witnessed, filmed, and photographed I would say this is likely to be a possibility on many of those craft, bigger on the inside and it would make sense to do so...A smaller ship for traversing the stars but one that could carry a large amount of people, supplies, and equipment if necessary to colonize other planets, study other planets, or conquer other planets...

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spacecase0

earth human
I wish I could follow your reasoning, but I can't.

Physicists employ large-scale quantum phenomena all the time; the superconductive magnets in an MRI machine are one example. Let's leave the wildly improbable Salvatore Cezar Pais patent out of it - there are plenty of proven examples we can work with to clarify the discussion.

I don't know what you mean by "destructively send information" but I think you're referring to the collapse of superposition when a measurement is made on an entangled system.

But I do recall your fascinating descriptions of two electrical systems that appeared to act as if they were coupled even at a significant distance. That sounds a bit like entanglement at first blush, but if I recall correctly you were detecting changes in the field at a distance, and that's a different thing. Entanglement is about information encoded into pairs - each half of the pair having an opposite quantum state (like spin-up or spin-down). That's very different than field energy. Because in an entangled state, once you take a measurement, the entanglement is broken because the superposition collapses - you can't for example wiggle one of the pair and make the other part of the pair wiggle.

So if the effect that you described is real, and not a perceptual or experimental error of some kind, then it would seem that you've discovered an entirely new effect that's distinct from (and frankly more interesting than) quantum entanglement.

I wish you could replicate that effect for nivek - I bet between the two of you, you could either figure out what's going on, or at least quantify what sounds like an entirely new effect in the physical sciences.
after thinking about it, you have me convinced that it is something new,
I am working on reproducing it, have been for a while now.
it is just time and money to build hardware.
 
Given the shapes and sizes of many of the UFOs witnessed, filmed, and photographed I would say this is likely to be a possibility on many of those craft, bigger on the inside and it would make sense to do so...A smaller ship for traversing the stars but one that could carry a large amount of people, supplies, and equipment if necessary to colonize other planets, study other planets, or conquer other planets...
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It does make sense, but I only mentioned it because the capability to engineer craft that are larger on the inside than on the outside is a clear result from the equations of general relativity. And since we know that spacetime engineering is the only viable explanation for rapid interstellar transit, it makes perfect sense that the species visiting our planet would have this kind of capability. I consider the many eyewitness reports which suggest this capability to be tentative independent confirmation of the applied physics that we're talking about here.

after thinking about it, you have me convinced that it is something new,
I am working on reproducing it, have been for a while now.
it is just time and money to build hardware.
I really wish you the greatest success in your efforts - if this effect is real as you've described to us, then it transcends the physics of quantum entanglement and suggests the prospect of superluminal communication...which is beyond any possibility involving quantum entanglement - quantum entanglement can't transmit any information faster than light. In fact, if you can prove that kind of capability, then you'll become the next Bill Gates, because instantaneous communication would be a world-changing technological capability. I would love to see that happen for both you and the world.
 

nivek

As Above So Below
The movie Arrival I think is a very good reflection of how alien some intelligent space faring species may be to us, so alien we may not be able to quickly comprehend one another in any significant way...If we were to contact some bizarre type species but highly intelligent and technologically advanced we must tread lightly to minimize misunderstandings which no doubt would occur...I would think that there would be some technologically advanced species who have rarely contacted any other in our galaxy, knowing there are others in the galaxy but choosing to keep isolated for the most part...They might watch others but keep their distance and keep any direct contact to a minimum if at all even towards others who are equals on a technological level...

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Dejan Corovic

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The movie Arrival I think is a very good reflection of how alien some intelligent space faring species may be to us, so alien we may not be able to quickly comprehend one another in any significant way...If we were to contact some bizarre type species but highly intelligent and technologically advanced we must tread lightly to minimize misunderstandings which no doubt would occur...I would think that there would be some technologically advanced species who have rarely contacted any other in our galaxy, knowing there are others in the galaxy but choosing to keep isolated for the most part...They might watch others but keep their distance and keep any direct contact to a minimum if at all even towards others who are equals on a technological level...
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@nivek, you are spot on.

From astrophysics, we know that the average alien civilization is 2 billion years ahead of us.

What that means is that they are not just socially different, they are evolutionary different. What I mean it takes on average 100,000-150,000 for one biological species to evolve into the next version on the branch. So math tells us that (2 billion / 100,000) aliens evolved on average about 20 times from where we are now. Just imagine that.

If you want confirmation of that just compare our jawbone to that one of a chimp or gorilla. Or even better look at the human thighbone and compare it to chimp's. It's like comparing a toothpick to a leg of the kitchen table.

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Now I recently read lots of UFO cases in a quick succession and something quite disturbing came up. Basically it was just a bunch of high strangeness cases that had a lot in a common. UFO would show up, a witness would stare at it completely transfixed, and so on. But in several cases, witnesses did a simple good-natured thing. They waived back at UFO.

Now what is revealing is that UFOs all responded in three different ways. Most UFOs did nothing, and just got bored with the earthling and flew away. A small group of UFOs, sort of waved back, one even remotely healed a large wound witness had. But one UFO followed a simple, friendly wave, with attack and shot the witness into a head with a "solid light beam". Solid light beams are well known in ufology and UFOs use them for many things like searchlights, for threats, and for attacks. When attacking they hit people on the forehead with the beam and it feels like a boxer's punch, which causes a concussion.

What this means, is that UFO pilots have "personalities" and that they come from "different cultures." Some of civilizations respond to simple friendly gestures with equivalent gestures and others attack you. @waitedavid137 talked about one warrior like a group of aliens that is very aggressive. Maybe it was them.

That means, what you said as well, that one has to be extremely cautious when dealing with them. At least, because you don't really want to turn those friendly ones into enemies. Then you'll have both friendly and warrior-like ones as enemies.
 
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nivek

As Above So Below
Now I recently read lots of UFO cases in a quick succession and something quite disturbing came up. Basically it was just a bunch of high strangeness cases that had a lot in a common. UFO would show up, a witness would stare at it completely transfixed, and so on. But in several cases, witnesses did a simple good-natured thing. They waived back at UFO.

Now what is revealing is that UFOs all responded in three different ways. Most UFOs did nothing, and just got bored with the earthling and flew away. A small group of UFOs, sort of waved back, one even remotely healed a large wound witness had. But one UFO followed a simple, friendly wave, with attack and shot the witness into a head with a "solid light beam". Solid light beams are well known in ufology and UFOs use them for many things like searchlights, for threats, and for attacks. When attacking they hit people on the forehead with the beam and it feels like a boxer's punch, which causes a concussion.

What this means, is that UFO pilots have "personalities" and that they come from "different cultures." Some of civilizations respond to simple friendly gestures with equivalent gestures and others attack you. @waitedavid137 talked about one warrior like a group of aliens that is very aggressive. Maybe it was them.

That means, what you said as well, that one has to be extremely cautious when dealing with them. At least, because you don't really want to turn those friendly ones into enemies. Then you'll have both friendly and warrior-like ones as enemies.

I've read about some aggressive aliens before, it's astonishing that there are many people in ufology who do not think there are any aggressive or hostile aliens out there...The reasoning I've heard is that we would have been conquered already but that's shortsighted reasoning, simply put those type aliens may not know about us yet or we are far too primitive to waste resources on, there could be other reasons...

Also we shouldn't just blindly trust allegedly peaceful aliens either, even if they have the best of intentions, what they do could have harmful far reaching effects unforeseen...We really need to be very careful in any dealings with aliens, no matter how peaceful they may appear on the surface...We know nothing about them at all and it may take years just to understand them enough to know their true intent...

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Dejan Corovic

As above, so bellow
I've read about some aggressive aliens before, it's astonishing that there are many people in ufology who do not think there are any aggressive or hostile aliens out there...The reasoning I've heard is that we would have been conquered already but that's shortsighted reasoning, simply put those type aliens may not know about us yet or we are far too primitive to waste resources on, there could be other reasons...

Also we shouldn't just blindly trust allegedly peaceful aliens either, even if they have the best of intentions, what they do could have harmful far reaching effects unforeseen...We really need to be very careful in any dealings with aliens, no matter how peaceful they may appear on the surface...We know nothing about them at all and it may take years just to understand them enough to know their true intent...

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From reading countless stories and quite a few far fetched ones this is what I would say.

1) Aliens are very disciplined, but can be temperamental when confronted.
2) Aliens follow some kind of general regulations.
3) Based on our own science, Milky Way contains between 30 and 50 different civilizations, society types, cultures, technological levels, etc.
4) Some aliens abduct people and then release them unharmed.
5) Some aliens capture and dismember people, most likely for science.

Because there is 30 to 50 alien civilizations in Milky Way, there must be some kind of coordination between themselves about sharing resources, avoiding conflicts etc.

Speaking purely scientifically 1) to 5) makes sense purely on a resource availability basis. Probably only 1 in 20 of planets is good for an evolution of hominids, which means that 19 planets are available as source of resources. In other words, there are unlimited quantities of iron, coal, oil, diamonds, gold, platinum, and whatnot in the universe that no civilization really needs to colonize another one. All civilizations that are ahead of use most likely use robots, as we are beginning to do, as a cheaper than human labor.

Because Milky Way's resources are plentiful, so readily accessible and cheap to extract for aliens, they don't really have an economic need to colonize somebody. So it is very likely to expect that there is an agreement, sort of Milky Way United Nations, that lesser developed species should be left alone to develop. Something like international laws protect wales because we don't really need wales for lamp oil anymore, but Japanese take the liberty to kill 800 each year for "scientific purposes".

The only real interest in us is scientific and medical. Our planet and indeed ourselves might be interesting to them for the genetic pool. Same as we use genes from sea urchins to make new medicines, they might as well. Another thing is they can use our females as surrogate mothers for the breeding of some kind of man-made clones, as a form of advanced agriculture. Obviously, they wouldn't want to subject their own womenfolk to that procedure.

aggressive or hostile aliens out there

That's where politics will come in. We'll make friends with friendly ones and they might keep hostile ones at a bay, in exchange for few surrogate wombs :Unsure:.

In essence, we need to find what are these rules that other civilizations adhere to, plug in and swim along with everybody else. We'll definitely be the newbies and have the least influence of all.
 
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Trust has to be earned.

And if there are aliens here, heres how i see it. Even if the intentions were benevolent and it was necessary in not causing sudden surprise and panic, sneaking around the planet and doing camouflage shit for 70 + years is not the going to bring out the best first impressions either. Same goes for any Earth government whose been potentially hiding and/or ignoring this, and the institutions who just buried their heads in the sand for the longest time. I think were gonna have trust issues, namely who exactly are you going to trust going forward?

I think the stage has been tainted pretty badly for any potential first contact already.

And if even one abduction story is true, oh boy... it will just get worse.

However this thing if its true has to be confronted and discussed sooner or later, it cant be ignored perpetually.
 
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nivek

As Above So Below
Trust has to be earned.

And if there are aliens here, heres how i see it. Even if the intentions were benevolent and it was necessary in not causing sudden surprise and panic, sneaking around the planet and doing camouflage shit for 70 + years is not the going to bring out the best first impressions either. Same goes for any Earth government whose been potentially hiding and/or ignoring this, and the institutions who just buried their heads in the sand for the longest time. I think were gonna have trust issues, namely who exactly are you going to trust going forward?
That would be something if we had a public first contact situation and the aliens inadvertently let it out that they had contact with an earth governmentfor years before revealing themselves...Oh what a shyte storm that revelation would ignite...

I think the stage has been tainted pretty badly for any potential first contact already.
I can see the conflicts arise between those who want to trust the alien visitors and those who don't trust them at all, it could get ugly...

And if even one abduction story is true, oh boy... it will just get worse.
Yeah it would deteriorate things quickly if we found out abductions are not only confirmed real and true but if the alien visitors knew about it, meaning, their species may not have been abducting our people but if they knew about it prior to making themselves known to us then it wouldn't fare well for them...They couldn't be trusted if they even knew another species was abducting us and did nothing to stop it all the while offering an olive branch full of best intentions...

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I dont trust any of our current leaders to take us forward.... theyve already fucked up our planet badly with their war games, bureaucracy, shortsightedness, apathy and greed, you want these bunglers and criminals to lead us to the galactic stage? I dont.
 
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nivek

As Above So Below
Now what is revealing is that UFOs all responded in three different ways. Most UFOs did nothing, and just got bored with the earthling and flew away. A small group of UFOs, sort of waved back, one even remotely healed a large wound witness had. But one UFO followed a simple, friendly wave, with attack and shot the witness into a head with a "solid light beam". Solid light beams are well known in ufology and UFOs use them for many things like searchlights, for threats, and for attacks. When attacking they hit people on the forehead with the beam and it feels like a boxer's punch, which causes a concussion.

@Dejan Corovic have you heard of this case, I just came across it today, it's new to me...A guy by the name of James Flynn saw a ufo in 1965 and claims the ufo hit him on the forehead with a light beam and knocked him unconscious and partially blind...

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Strange Night in the Everglades: Camper Struck by UFO Light Beam

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Flynn approached the craft, Within 200 yards of the UFO, jumped out of his swamp buggy, stepping into the circle of light and raising his hand as a friendly gesture in case he was being watched. As he did this, the UFO emitted a jet-like noise and a blast of wind that knocked him off-balance. As he continued to approach within a few yards, the UFO emitted a light beam like a welder's torch, striking him on the forehead and knocking him unconscious. Later he told the local newspaper "I felt a blow like a sledgehammer between the eyes, and that's all I know."

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Dejan Corovic

As above, so bellow
@Dejan Corovic have you heard of this case, I just came across it today, it's new to me...A guy by the name of James Flynn saw a ufo in 1965 and claims the ufo hit him on the forehead with a light beam and knocked him unconscious and partially blind...

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Strange Night in the Everglades: Camper Struck by UFO Light Beam

(Excerpt)

Flynn approached the craft, Within 200 yards of the UFO, jumped out of his swamp buggy, stepping into the circle of light and raising his hand as a friendly gesture in case he was being watched. As he did this, the UFO emitted a jet-like noise and a blast of wind that knocked him off-balance. As he continued to approach within a few yards, the UFO emitted a light beam like a welder's torch, striking him on the forehead and knocking him unconscious. Later he told the local newspaper "I felt a blow like a sledgehammer between the eyes, and that's all I know."

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Yeah, I came across that case recently on YouTube and it was exactly the case to which I was referring in the above post. You can act friendly and some alien species are not going to be friendly. From memory, there was another case, where the farmer was aggressive in some way towards UFO and he was hit in a head with a 'solid light' beam and he died a few days later from the consequences.

Just yesterday I was watching a case, where a witness started flashing his torchlight towards UFO and UFO responded with shining a scorching beam of light on the whole group of about a dozen witnesses. UFOs have these solid light beams, and possibly UFO misinterpreted torchlight with a solid light beam and thought that it was attacked by a witness.

So, one really needs to tiptoe around them, because one can alienate even friendly aliens through misunderstanding. Until we get the same technology as they do, we are not really in a strong position to negotiate. But a benefit from contact with them can be staggering, economically and scientifically and socially etc.

Trust has to be earned.

That's not a problem. People can be easily brainwashed. Corporate media do it on a daily basis. Most people even volunteer to be brainwashed.

Don't forget that being a mucho won't work with civilizations that are 2 billion years ahead of your own. In every respect we are junior partner and we have to earn their trust, not they ours.
 
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