To The Stars Academy: Investigating the Unexplained

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
Yep, those are UFOs, Navy says about 3 videos of strange sightings

Navy confirms videos did capture UFO sightings, but it calls them by another name

The U.S. Navy doesn't know exactly what the "unidentified aerial phenomena" seen in the videos are.

Sept. 19, 2019, 1:56 AM EDT / Updated Sept. 19, 2019, 4:48 AM EDT
By Mosheh Gains and Phil Helsel


Three videos posted online that have been described as being related to UFO sightings do indeed include footage of “unidentified aerial phenomena,” a U.S. Navy spokesman confirmed.

But as for specifics, spokesman Joseph Gradisher said the Navy doesn't know exactly what the objects are.


"The three videos (one from 2004 and two from 2015) show incursions into our military training ranges by unidentified aerial phenomena," Gradisher told NBC News in an emailed statement.

"The Navy has characterized the observed phenomena as unidentified," he said.

To the Stars Academy of Arts and Sciences, a group dedicated to pursuing research into UFOs and extraterrestrial life that was co-founded by rocker Tom DeLonge of Blink 182, helped bring attention to the videos. The three videos were posted by TTSA and The New York Times in December 2017 and March 2018, NBC New York reported.

The website The Black Vault last week first reported the Navy's "unidentified aerial phenomena" designation and said the three videos are commonly known as "FLIR1," "Gimbal" and "GoFast."

The video called FLIR1 shows an oblong-shaped object, which accelerates out of view from sensors. The group says that video is from 2004 and the "2004 Nimitz incident."

Gradisher did not name the videos in his emails, but said the video from the 2004 sighting is from an aircraft from the carrier USS Nimitz.

In the video called Gimbal, a crew member is heard saying "look at that thing" about an object that they said appeared to be going against the wind. One says they believed it was a drone.

The video called Go Fast, which the group says is from 2015, shows an object that appears to be over water and crews are heard asking "what the f--- is that?" and "what is that, man?"

To The Stars Academy of Arts & Science says online that U.S. military videos of “unidentified aerial phenomenon" have been through the declassification review process and approved for public release.

Gradisher disputed those assertions. He said the video from 2004 from the Nimitz was widely shared throughout the ship at the time and was posted online by a crew member in 2007. The online post came to the attention of Navy officials in 2009, but officials decided not to pursue the matter because of the time that had elapsed and the size of the crew at the time, which was around 5,000, he said.

The Navy "has no information" on how the other two videos were released into general circulation, Gradisher said. “These videos are copies of official Navy footage taken by Naval personnel conducting training missions in controlled military airspace," he said.


The New York Times reported in 2017 that the Pentagon’s Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program for years investigated reports of unidentified flying objects, but that the Defense Department said that program was shut down in 2012. What was described as a shadowy program was reported to have begun in 2007.

Gradisher said in emails that the larger issue about the three videos is what he called an increase “in the number of military training range incursions by unidentified aerial [phenomena],” and he said all such sightings are investigated.

"Any incursion into our training ranges by any aircraft or phenomena, identified or not identified, is problematic from both a safety and security concern," he said.

While the objects in the three videos in question are designated as unknown, Gradisher said that as inexpensive unmanned aerial systems — commonly called drones — become more prevalent, "sightings of this nature have increased in frequency."

While popular culture may refer to unexplained objects as UFOs, the phrase “unidentified aerial phenomena” was borrowed from the United Kingdom and describes “any aerial phenomenon that cannot immediately be identified," Gradisher said.


Seth Shostak, senior astronomer and institute fellow at the SETI Institute in Mountain View, California, said in an email Wednesday night that all that the Navy did with its confirmation of the videos and the “unidentified aerial phenomena” was confirm that the videos were authentic.

“The videos weren’t really being questioned. What IS being asked is ‘what the heck are these things?’” Shostak, a regular contributor to NBC News MACH, said in an email. “Now I think if the answer were easy, that would be known by now. But when I look at these things I see no reason to consider them good evidence for ‘alien visitation,’ which is what the public likes to think they are.”

He said that in some reported sightings of unidentified flying objects other explanations, like birds, seem plausible.
 

nivek

As Above So Below
I'm still fairly optimistic about TTSA, my cup is half full, because from my perspective its been a short amount of time they have begun analyzing the materials of allegedly alien origin, research takes time, not a set amount of time either if one really wants to know everything one is researching...I think its extremely difficult to set a fixed amount of time to research something unknown prior, its hard to judge how long it will take to find the answers sought...Its sometimes perplexing to see people like JG turn completely negative and biased against TTSA, JG has done some good work in the past only to tarnish all of that by acting like a child....People also keep questioning the entertainment part of TTSA, I have some questions about that too, like 'why?' but again, its no cost to me to wait and see, and that seems like the most reasonable and logical thing to do and wait for new information to come soon, hopefully some lab reports, which I'm sure many of us are eager to read...

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One thing that surprised me – he mentioned that the tic-tac incident from Nimitz in 2004 had been public for some time. Since 2007, says he.
Yes the short Nimitz video was leaked apparently and surfaced 10 years before it was shown in the media, I think the navy confirmed this as well. It had a thread on ATS forums at that time started by someone called thefinaltheory, and was debunked as a hoax, which it apparently wasnt. It somehow ended on some german video site too.

Kinda strange. Especially when you read the old posts, thefinaltheory is suspicious enough, first he claimed it happened in 2005 and the thing was disc shaped, not a tic tac. Then in the following post its 2004 now and its capsule shaped. The later post resembles the story weve heard so far.
It's annoying when people say that footage was "public" in 2007, when in reality somebody just posted a link to it on the ATS forum (which is a steaming bag of diarrhea) and maybe a few dozen people saw it. The fact that people thought it was "debunked" when it was actually legit, only shows how completely hobbled this entire field is by cynics. Who, sadly, can now apparently count JG among their ranks - even lifelong ufologists are now shooting themselves in the face and actually arguing that the essentially worthless UFO clips we've seen shouldn't have been released. Woe.

It's perfectly understandable that "thefinaltheory" would've made up fake details about it - leaking military footage is a great way to end up in jail. The Navy said they only declined to investigate who did it because it took them two years to find out about the leak, and there was a list of 5000 people who could've done it (and frankly it has zero intelligence value because all it shows is a distant blob).
 
There was a time on UFO reddit when couple of people though some german video hobbyists had made this video up, cause it was on their servers. And also alot of people thought those voices were dubbed in afterwards in those other videos, cause "navy pilots dont talk like that"...

This Nimitz thing shows you that even when you debunk something, you could still get it wrong.
 
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pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
This entire field is hobbled by all sorts of things, cynics included.

I'm not confusing the message with the messenger. Never heard of 'finaltheory' but it took me about ten seconds to confirm what I heard with a link from NBC news. If I can do that can't anybody else? A Navy spokesman confirmed that the cat was out of the bag and far too many people had seen it for them to take any action. It wasn't represented that way when it broke again in 2017. Why?

I just want to know what the whole story is and bits of it dribble out via FOIA requests. I have been surprised at the public statements the Navy has made. I just wish JG wasn't involved. This was the point I was trying to make in #539. Making camp, building walls and throwing rotten fruit at one another is what UFOlogy has been about all along. The topic is overshadowed by personalities. When you look at groups interested in other Fortean topics you'll find exactly the same behavior.

I have no idea what to make of TTSA. I do know that many iconic cases have failed to hold up under scrutiny over the years. They have made amazing statements and are being subject to scrutiny.
 
Luis Elizondo gets interviewed briefly by Tucker Carlson on the "UFO materials". Says there are many and that they come from both governmental and private sources. Question remains, why bring them out now after so many decades of denials?

 
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nivek

As Above So Below
Luis Elizondo gets interviewed briefly by Tucker Carlson on the "UFO materials". Says there are many and that they come from both government and private sources. Question remains, why bring them out now?



According to Elizondo in that video TTSA are peer reviewing the materials...As he said, a lot of work has yet to be done...

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nivek

As Above So Below
Luis Elizondo gets interviewed briefly by Tucker Carlson on the "UFO materials". Says there are many and that they come from both governmental and private sources. Question remains, why bring them out now after so many decades of denials?



I just woke up about 30 minutes ago and about the first thing I saw was that video lol...

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Hopefully that work pays off. If all thats being hyped are some pieces of industrial slag like some skeptics think, theyve been putting a noose around their necks and nothing more.
 
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nivek

As Above So Below
It's annoying when people say that footage was "public" in 2007, when in reality somebody just posted a link to it on the ATS forum (which is a steaming bag of diarrhea) and maybe a few dozen people saw it. The fact that people thought it was "debunked" when it was actually legit, only shows how completely hobbled this entire field is by cynics. Who, sadly, can now apparently count JG among their ranks - even lifelong ufologists are now shooting themselves in the face and actually arguing that the essentially worthless UFO clips we've seen shouldn't have been released. Woe.

It's like some of these guys have nothing better to do than utter some snide remark of TTSA on a daily basis, relentlessly, like that blogger Jack Brewer...Its difficult to read his completely biased and passive aggressive comments on TTSA, he's lost he plot as have a few others who have made it their thing to bash TTSA...

Sorry, it's sometimes frustrating to see these guy's display of ignorance, they are making arses of themselves...

The video clip @Spaceman spiff posted today is very telling, in my opinion, and to me shows TTSA is doing the work they set out to do...Of course they are not going to have warp drives or FTL drives by the end of the year lol but it looks like progress is being made...

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pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
that blogger Jack Brewer

Wasn't he one of the ones that pounded the snot out of Gene Steinberg?
I guess if he indulges in that crap it shouldn't be surprising. But when he was pointed at something we didn't like it was entertaining.
 

nivek

As Above So Below
Wasn't he one of the ones that pounded the snot out of Gene Steinberg?
I guess if he indulges in that crap it shouldn't be surprising. But when he was pointed at something we didn't like it was entertaining.

Yep so true, he did great work revealing Steinberg's shenanigans but I guess he got bored and commenced to beating the TTSA horse, granted he's not as extreme as JG but he's been very passive aggressive about them...

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nivek

As Above So Below
I just wish JG wasn't involved. This was the point I was trying to make in #539. Making camp, building walls and throwing rotten fruit at one another is what UFOlogy has been about all along. The topic is overshadowed by personalities. When you look at groups interested in other Fortean topics you'll find exactly the same behavior.

It seems to be an inherent problem for those trying to make a buck from ufology, personalities flare and show their arses as if they are the experts and shouldn't be questioned...

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nivek

As Above So Below
Hopefully that work pays off. If all thats being hyped are some pieces of industrial slag like some skeptics think, theyve been putting a noose around their necks and nothing more.

I seriously doubt this is all hype, things have gone too far now for that balloon to pop...

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At least they are doing something. With a lot of the self-appointed critics of TTSA, it's obviously a case of being green with envy. Delonge is an easy target in some ways, but what sane person expects a rock star to not be eccentric? JG in particular seems to be neck deep in sour grapes. I'm sure he sees himself as an unsung hero, doing the hard work of FOIA mining in almost total obscurity while this upstart Delonge comes along and gets all the attention. Well, for starters, now that we've seen JG's personality it's pretty obvious why he doesn't get a lot of fan mail. But the fact that Delonge knows how to get media attention just really seems to piss off a lot of grumpy old men. It's really pretty sad. I don't like the Hollywood hype machine or its products any more than anyone else. As Mark Twain said, "All sane people detest noise." But the noise from the peanut gallery is no less irritating.

On the general topic of dug-in camps hurling turds at one another, I used to follow the old UFO Updates email list while it was in business. There was a lot of great stuff there, from researchers and authors who knew what they were doing, but it was often obscured by the flame wars carried on by about a dozen dumbass drama queens. Some of the infantile blather would occasionally piss off a participant who should have known better, and it would erupt into a full-on shit storm for a week or three. This crap is nothing new.
 
Yep so true, he did great work revealing Steinberg's shenanigans but I guess he got bored and commenced to beating the TTSA horse, granted he's not as extreme as JG but he's been very passive aggressive about them...

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He has been like that for years. I had some interactions with him on the old Casebook forum, and he was obviously a debunker. Not the most intellectually dishonest one, which made him a bit more tolerable, but he's basically a fundamentalist. I'm not surprised at his snide distortions in this case.

Debunking Steinberg was pretty easy. If Brewer was the bringer-of-light he wants us all to think he is, he'd have spent that time on something more important. Those of us here with personal grudges against the crook Steinberg could have beat him up without his help, but it was handy having all that information documented on Brewer's blog in addition to being scattered across many websites and hundreds of forum pages.
 

Standingstones

Celestial
I’m sitting on the fence concerning TTSA. Would I like to see real evidence? Of course. The problem is TTSA is dangling the bait but we can’t hook the fish just yet. It’s been three year since TTSA has formed and we only get to see black chiclets. I just hope this doesn’t turn in dead alien babies again.

I do like that the Navy calls this UAP (unidentified aerial phenomena.) The connotation is that UFO makes people think of aliens. The Navy wants to stay clear of that.
 

wwkirk

Divine
I do like that the Navy calls this UAP (unidentified aerial phenomena.) The connotation is that UFO makes people think of aliens. The Navy wants to stay clear of that.
UFO was coined as a replacement for Flying Saucer to get away from implying aliens.
I predict that eventually UAP will become imbued with the connotation of alien.
 
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