Someone talk about time with me

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I’m obsessed with time lately. I’ve been thinking about how space is like a sea of time and gravity somehow pulls the particles from the sea to creat balls of linear-like time. Gravity is so important. Time and gravity are almost like two separate dimensions rather than just 4D and a force...
 

Shadowprophet

Truthiness
I’m obsessed with time lately. I’ve been thinking about how space is like a sea of time and gravity somehow pulls the particles from the sea to creat balls of linear-like time. Gravity is so important. Time and gravity are almost like two separate dimensions rather than just 4D and a force...
What do you wanna know about time, It's a subject I've fascinated over for decades. Another thing to consider about time and gravity is they aren't such separate things.

Einstein theorized that the closer to Earth one is, The slower time passes. In as much, The closer on it to an object with massive gravity, this will affect the passage of time by slowing it down.
An example would be A year goes by fifteen microseconds faster on top of Mount Everest.
 
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Dejan Corovic

As above, so bellow
I don't know much about time, but I like this idea that time doesn't exist. Or in other words, time is just standing still and we are in exactly the same moment as Big Bang.

Essentially, we are "imagining" time. There are all these processes around us: heartbeat, day and night, Earth going around the Sun in a yearly cycle etc. So we say "it would be awfully practical to count these repetitive processes and put them to good use". But counting processes is not the time, it's simply a surrogate time.

Non-existance of time opens some interesting possibilities. We still exist in exactly the same moment in which Big Bang exploded or the moment Christ was born, or Columbus discovered Americas. Which might mean that somehow all these events are still here and somehow accessible and somehow can be influenced. Don't ask me how though :rolleyes:.

This ”standing still time” might be what enables entanglement to link instantly across the time both with present and future events and was confirmed by experiments.

But these are just musings, nothing serious.
 
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Shadowprophet

Truthiness
The big bang is still in mid-transit, The force that expands our universe is the resulting explosion of the big bang and that's being assisted by the pull of Dark Energy. The funny thing about time is, Depending on how far away someone is from said event, The big bang just happened. Time is distance, It's also something that can be manipulated with Gravity.

Time has many definitions, But I assert Time is not nonexistent For we can literally see Time with our eyes in the form of Gravitational lensing. From the empirical aspect, A physicist can't help it if someone wants to wax philosophical about time being a butterfly in an endless field of flowers. But We have so many definitions of time. Time as a 4th Dimension, Time as a Construct we use to distinguish yesterday from tomorrow. Time as a very accurate and precise entropy. Time as a form of gravity. Space-time.

The problem with the idea of time is, The definition of time is too vague, and if one decides to define the different aspects of events that people call time. The construct, The distance, the gravity. Well, those are all different things. I mean, yesterday is not the same kind of time as 38 lightyears away or some massive black hole distorting spacetime with gravitational waves. People need to be as specific as possible when speaking about an issue like time, in an age where time can philosophically be a Horse galloping through a meadow.

Because I have to be fair, Those guys that say time doesn't exist. Don't mean that in the way that some people interpreted it. Some people believe in the Holographic theory. So a smaller group of people believe the universe is made out of holograms now, And that's just Science being misinterpreted and misused. The holographic theory is a theory that suggests that our physical reality just happens to manifest on a great gravitational plain. And thusly physical matter can only exist within the boundaries of that gravitational horizon. Time is an illusion to everyone, That's another example of how people misinterpret What physics are saying about the issue. Time being an illusion when a physicist says it. It only means that "Being trapped at this moment" Is the illusionary part of it. Time is a force that can be manipulated with Gravity or acceleration, Take time dilation for instance. We have to account for Time dilation for Satellites to relay data accurately When Physicists say Time is an illusion. What they mean is, " Time Is Very Very Real, But the concept of being stuck at this moment only is inaccurate.
 
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Shadowprophet

Truthiness
Another example of Time and how it isn't an illusion. As we get closer to the Earth, Time passes more slowly, This has been proven,

Here's why astronauts age slower than the rest of us here on Earth

More gravity, Slower time... So, I conclude here, That Gravity isn't affecting an illusionary or imaginary force. Gravity must be interacting with a very real Nonillusionary physical aspect of reality.
 
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Dejan Corovic

As above, so bellow
But I assert Time is not nonexistent For we can literally see Time with our eyes in the form of Gravitational lensing.

Not true. We are seeing curved space, not the time. Actually, one can pick and choose weather he defines things as space or as time, to the point where one of the two is redundant.

Can we actually explain universe just with space, without time? And vice versa?
 

Shadowprophet

Truthiness
Not true. We are seeing curved space, not the time. Actually, one can pick and choose weather he defines things as space or as time, to the point where one of the two is redundant.

Can we actually explain universe just with space, without time? And vice versa?
I hate to disagree brother but one can not pick and choose definitions, That is contradictory to empirical study. That may fly in some other section of the forums, but it just can't here in the science forums. I mean, Picking and choosing things sounds like philosophy, And that's all fine and good, but in the science forums, Unicorns and butterflies are not time. That's the whole point, Spacetime is not just space, Nor just time. And if one willfully chooses to disregard one or the other it's a grievous error in the study.

I mean, I'm very much a nice guy, I am, But I know a whole lot about Physics and time, And To be fair again, It's gets old with me with practically a Ph.D. in physics getting told by people, Not necessarily, Or No that's wrong, I mean fuck that, empirical study exits for the very reason that people can't sit around and talk about subjects in metaphors. Everything is not binary, There are wrong answers when it comes to these subjects. And Even if I am the nicest guy on earth, I have to call out Bullshit or look like I don't know my subjects.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not upset, I've been away from the forums for a while, getting my mind and body in shape. An empirical study, It's something that must be defended or ignorances get spread.


Think about this, Just consider it for a moment, When we post, We leave behind a legacy, People in the future will be reading the words we write. Someone ten years from now, Is a budding physicist and they decide to read here about time and space. Well, My thing is, I want to give those people the most relevant possible information I can. I don't want to be speaking the philosophy of time to them, I want to literally get to the meat of the issue and give them what they are looking for. What they need. Facts.
 
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Shadowprophet

Truthiness
I more of provoking discussion. I don't have any opinion on subject.
Damnit CoroVic, You would have been a great debate.


But I understand. Of the flipper side, I need others to understand from me. I've been away for a while. I've been on this massive journey to get into great shape again. I have a lot more energy.. I mean loads, It's even changed my personality somewhat. I havent gotten used to all the changes yet. If I seem off, I am a little off, but I respect you immensely and mean no offense.
 

Shadowprophet

Truthiness
But, I do want to say in complete fairness, There is a philosophical aspect to time, A large portion of time is philosophical. I mean not scientifically, but in what time "Means" to people it has great philosophical value. Which is worthy of discussion.
 

Sheltie

Fratty and out of touch.
I still like what Einstein supposedly said about the relativity of time:

“When you sit with a pretty girl for two hours you think it’s only a minute, but when you sit on a hot stove for a minute you think it’s two hours. That’s relativity.”
 

nivek

As Above So Below
I don't know much about time, but I like this idea that time doesn't exist. Or in other words, time is just standing still and we are in exactly the same moment as Big Bang.

Essentially, we are "imagining" time. There are all these processes around us: heartbeat, day and night, Earth going around the Sun in a yearly cycle etc. So we say "it would be awfully practical to count these repetitive processes and put them to good use". But counting processes is not the time, it's simply a surrogate time.

Non-existance of time opens some interesting possibilities. We still exist in exactly the same moment in which Big Bang exploded or the moment Christ was born, or Columbus discovered Americas. Which might mean that somehow all these events are still here and somehow accessible and somehow can be influenced. Don't ask me how though :rolleyes:.

This ”standing still time” might be what enables entanglement to link instantly across the time both with present and future events and was confirmed by experiments.

But these are just musings, nothing serious.

For a fish in the water it knows it must swim through the water current to reach the length of the creek and that takes time, it is immersed in 'time' and does not know what lies ahead but someone outside the water can see the entire length of the creek, all existing at the same moment and can see the future of that fish and where its path will lead it...If a self-conscious fish were to step out of the water (time) it could see its own past, present, and future all at once and would be able to change its own past and present course with this awareness and realization and know what its future will bring, because he is already there, its already occurring...This is not fate however, this path the fish 'sees' by stepping out of time is the path it has laid out and created...If you're at the amusement park and the carny hands you three darts to pop the balloon for the prize, you already know what will occur if you miss or hit the target before you throw a dart...

Just a bit of wiseacring...

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nivek

As Above So Below
I don't know much about time, but I like this idea that time doesn't exist. Or in other words, time is just standing still and we are in exactly the same moment as Big Bang.

Essentially, we are "imagining" time. There are all these processes around us: heartbeat, day and night, Earth going around the Sun in a yearly cycle etc. So we say "it would be awfully practical to count these repetitive processes and put them to good use". But counting processes is not the time, it's simply a surrogate time.

Non-existance of time opens some interesting possibilities. We still exist in exactly the same moment in which Big Bang exploded or the moment Christ was born, or Columbus discovered Americas. Which might mean that somehow all these events are still here and somehow accessible and somehow can be influenced. Don't ask me how though :rolleyes:.

This ”standing still time” might be what enables entanglement to link instantly across the time both with present and future events and was confirmed by experiments.

But these are just musings, nothing serious.

For a fish in the water it knows it must swim through the water current to reach the length of the creek and that takes time, it is immersed in 'time' and does not know what lies ahead but someone outside the water can see the entire length of the creek, all existing at the same moment and can see the future of that fish and where its path will lead it...If a self-conscious fish were to step out of the water (time) it could see its own past, present, and future all at once and would be able to change its own past and present course with this awareness and realization and know what its future will bring, because he is already there, its already occurring...This is not fate however, this path the fish 'sees' by stepping out of time is the path it has laid out and created...If you're at the amusement park and the carny hands you three darts to pop the balloon for the prize, you already know what will occur if you miss or hit the target before you throw a dart...

Just a bit of wiseacring...

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Time does not move, we move through time, spiraling through, that is, consciousness moves through time, not the container...This chair I am sitting in now is not the same chair I purchased 3 years ago, that chair is still in the past...If I were to continue sitting here for three more years I would be sitting in again different chairs, and for that matter also it would be a different body, a different container, but the same consciousness observing...

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nivek

As Above So Below
Time does not move, we move through time, spiraling through, that is, consciousness moves through time, not the container...This chair I am sitting in now is not the same chair I purchased 3 years ago, that chair is still in the past...If I were to continue sitting here for three more years I would be sitting in again a different chair, and for that matter also it would be a different body, a different container, but the same consciousness observing...

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In order to understand time one must see outside its limitations, the effects gravity has upon time reveals some of those limitations...

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Shadowprophet

Truthiness
I should still say that time is non-physical, and space is physical.
I feel like this may be something you don't want to to discuss, I ask you to consider that these are discussion forums though. If time did not possess a physical aspect, how could a physical force like gravity affect it? Entropy affects physical matter, But It's unpredictable, We call it a half-life, But We can't predict exact entropy rates, Entropy is unpredictable, But we must still predict half-life for moderating medications, SO we ultimately just assume half-life is an algorithm in which at every stage exactly half of the matter decays. Time has it's way with the physical matter

So is time a side effect or a result of its passing. My thing is, How can someone assume Time is not physical when all time seems to do is place it affects upon a physical universe?

I understand there is ego in a discussion. However, How is it that people actually discuss things if they don't speak about them?
 
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Shadowprophet

Truthiness
I pose this question, Without physical matter for time to have it affects upon, "Would Time even exist?"
 

spacecase0

earth human
here is my take on reality
consciousness and reality are linked very closely
I am convinced that reality is a construct of consciousness
when you look at reality it follows rules
like anything, electricity and magnetism have rules,
things are measurable at the square or the cube
the links back to math show us what dimension something is in
gravity math is the same as electricity...
but when we try, they are clearly not the same thing
if you look just a bit closer on the topic,
a rotating magnetic field induces an electric field that appears identical to gravity
so how does this link to time ?
guess it depends on how you look at things,
if you look at the field forces, standard physics does not have much to say about them...
but they have lots to say about themselves
electricity and magnetism are at right angles to each other, and the other right angle to that is time or movement
so what happens if you assume that a time field is a thing ?
what happens if you have an unequal time field ?
that turns out to match gravity in the math.
also matches the rotating magnetic field, at least an unequal rotating magnetic field.
so, being that consciousness is likely outside this entire structure, time and anything else likely shows up as how we usually view something like length.

if you want to talk about timelines and how to mess with time,
I am all for that conversation, and I have things to share
 

Shadowprophet

Truthiness
here is my take on reality
consciousness and reality are linked very closely
I am convinced that reality is a construct of consciousness
when you look at reality it follows rules
like anything, electricity and magnetism have rules,
things are measurable at the square or the cube
the links back to math show us what dimension something is in
gravity math is the same as electricity...
but when we try, they are clearly not the same thing
if you look just a bit closer on the topic,
a rotating magnetic field induces an electric field that appears identical to gravity
so how does this link to time ?
guess it depends on how you look at things,
if you look at the field forces, standard physics does not have much to say about them...
but they have lots to say about themselves
electricity and magnetism are at right angles to each other, and the other right angle to that is time or movement
so what happens if you assume that a time field is a thing ?
what happens if you have an unequal time field ?
that turns out to match gravity in the math.
also matches the rotating magnetic field, at least an unequal rotating magnetic field.
so, being that consciousness is likely outside this entire structure, time and anything else likely shows up as how we usually view something like length.



if you want to talk about timelines and how to mess with time,
I am all for that conversation, and I have things to share

I normally don't dissect posts and reply to each part of them. However, This one is filled with subjects that I just love.

I am convinced that reality is a construct of consciousness
when you look at reality it follows rules
like anything, electricity, and magnetism have rules,

Absolutely, The four fundamental forces and how they interact with each other is the bleeding edge of Science, Both empirical and Theoretical, I think It was Thomas who lead me to research on some scientists, Whom's Names escape me that Wanted to somehow connect Gravity with electromagnetic forces. It's an awesome Subject definitely What Is the Weak Force?

things are measurable at the square or the cube
the links back to math show us what dimension something is in
gravity math is the same as electricity...
but when we try, they are clearly not the same thing
if you look just a bit closer on the topic,

Of course, the Math is Similar It's every last bit based in Algebra and modified up to calculus though. The issue is with the language Different physicists have shall we say different sentence structure and punctuations than some others.

For instance.

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"I think" This is Newton's law of universal gravitation

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Now, This is the power converter equations for OHMs into Joules, It's The Same math But see, different things are actually expressed here. However, I'm not sure who this equation is credited too. Knowing math is important. But, Knowing the context the Equation is expressing is imperative, In calculus, A rose by any other name, is a completely different rose, ironically :p


a rotating magnetic field induces an electric field that appears identical to gravity
so how does this link to time?
This, Is something You could probably teach me, I'm not calling this out, I literally Do not know this, And Do you have any information on Rotating Magnetic fields? I'd love to study this. At your leisure of course.

I could say, though, That Any acceleration will increase density, an example would be, Near a particle accelerator, When they are active, Massive gravity accumulates near the rings while it's running, This is because that matter inside is traveling so fast and has taken on so much density. which would have its small amount of an effect on the local space-time around the rotating field, Thusly slowing time, "Because more gravity=slower time," Now, this is where I could be mistaken, but could not a large enough nonphysical electric field produce its own gravity? I'm not certain, So I'm asking you,

electricity and magnetism are at right angles to each other, and the other right angle to that is time or movement
so what happens if you assume that a time field is a thing ?

Don't get me wrong, Normally when I speak Physics, I try to be empirical, I do this for several reasons, but I will fully admit to you, I believe time is relative and possibly quantumly linked with all other time, However, I believe time and space are "localized" -Just my own opinion, not backed up by anything,- However, I believe That Because we are not the same, That me and you both could undergo the Time dilation experiment together, And there would be very minor changes in the way we both experienced time. I believe That Things like our own weight, And density, and maybe even our cognition, Could play a part in how we experience the dilation differently. however, This is all conjecture, And me indulging in my flighty theories. But it is Fun.


what happens if you have an unequal time field ?
that turns out to match gravity in the math.
also matches the rotating magnetic field, at least an unequal rotating magnetic field.

This is very similar in it's reason to Einstein's theory on backward time travel. A theory einstein himself deemed impossible until Roy Ker Came up with an idea a lot like yours about navigating the perimeter of a ring singularity.
Ring singularity - Wikipedia <---Another fascinating read.

so, being that consciousness is likely outside this entire structure, time and anything else likely shows up as how we usually view something like length.

Again another winner. You know, When you speak more than a few words, you actually make a lot of great points. There is a theory That Even though it's mostly theoretical That I fully support. Called Dual consciousness theory. The Theory states. That our consciousness just isn't part of the physical body and actually our consciousness may exist in a higher dimension, separate from our physical bodies. This theory could even go so far as to explain why some people experience premonitions, out of body experiences, or even Deja Vu.

https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=dual+consciousness+theory&hl=en&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart
Here are some Peer-reviewed Scolorly links about that very subject. You know, WHen you speak at length, The things you say Really do make a lot of Valid scientific points. It's hard to draw a lot from a hand full of words brother. You are smart enough that you should speak more. As far as timelines go, I am a causality believer. I believe there are separate timelines for every decision anyone has ever made or could have made. I think it branches out infinitely.
 
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spacecase0

earth human
there is a reason why a take apart of a post is not a good idea,
the reason is that it is a very long answer...
I will try to answer all in the shortest way I an manage

"Dual consciousness theory"
there are so many reverences to this idea.
calose castanada (or the correct spelling) tells of the "second attention", but I think he got the order backward
consciousness seems to act like a fluid. personally I don't like this idea at all, but it is how it seems to work.
no matter how you see it, you can take a part of yourself and go do other things with that part...
 
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