To The Stars Academy: Investigating the Unexplained

pigfarmer

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Joe Rogan Experience had David Fravor on it, it was pretty intresting.



David said hes spoken to government officials about this, and one meeting that was supposed to last only 20 minutes got extended to hour and a half.


I've had this on for an hour now. I can listen to Fravor all day long and he's 100% credible.

But he's sitting there with Jeremy Corbell and that isn't what I'd call 'value added'

Isn't that the problem writ small? Here we have someone worth paying attention to and taking seriously sharing the stage with a blatant opportunist talking about Christopher Columbus' UFO sighting and Lazar Lazar Lazar. This looks like an interesting buffet and all Corbell's done is bring a steaming plate of crap to the table that will ultimately contaminate everything.

If I had one of those Dr.Evil levers that would open the floor up into a chute full of something handy like lava, sharks or even a Democratic inquiry committee I would have used it on our fiercely bearded friend. I'd like to weaponize my incredulity.
 
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Well...No hiding it now, TTSA are promoting that wretched book...ugh




Fuck. As far as I'm concerned, helping a con artist deprive honest people of their hard-earned money is nothing less than being an accessory to a crime.

If TTSA wanted to humiliate everyone who's been defending them for the last two years, then they've done a brilliant job here.
 
Theyve done a good job at dividing UFO community for sure, and it seems to continue, since about half the people ive seen tend to believe Lazars crap.

If this isnt some sort of operation, id say they have huge balls backing up a well debunked figure like Lazar and claiming they "know" some parts of his story ring true. Especially since their pals at Bigelow seem to consider his story a fraud. Id like to see some evidence, personally. but i kinda doubt we will.

Question here is, is this a ballsy cash grab or attempt to muddy the waters, or can a broken clock like Lazar still be right twice a day, and theyre putting it out there?
 
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pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
Theyve done a good job at dividing UFO community for sure, and it seems to continue, since about half the people ive seen tend to believe Lazars crap.

If this isnt some sort of operation, id say they have huge balls backing up a well debunked figure like Lazar and claiming they know some parts of his story ring true. Id like to see some evidence, personally.

This is going to sound far more paranoid and conspiracy minded than I really give weight to, but keeping factions sniping at one another has the effect of masking some larger purpose. Works in politics, counterinsurgencies, my family .......
 
I agree, this seem to me more like an orchestrated move by some intelligence community than a business decision. Tip to the left, tip to the right, but keep on walking that narrow path.

Playing mindgames?
 

nivek

As Above So Below
Fuck. As far as I'm concerned, helping a con artist deprive honest people of their hard-earned money is nothing less than being an accessory to a crime.

If TTSA wanted to humiliate everyone who's been defending them for the last two years, then they've done a brilliant job here.

Does this mean TTSA is fully endorsing Bubba Lazar?...Do they disagree with Hal Puthoff's colleagues and NIDS members in regards to Lazar?...Do they disagree with Eric Davis' statement that Lazar "Made up his entire cockamamie story”?...

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nivek

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I hate this thread has been turning into a Lazar thread BUT TTSA caused this to happen, they are at fault here...

 

nivek

As Above So Below
If this isnt some sort of operation, id say they have huge balls backing up a well debunked figure like Lazar and claiming they "know" some parts of his story ring true. Especially since their pals at Bigelow seem to consider his story a fraud. Id like to see some evidence, personally. but i kinda doubt we will.

When they stated 'let the readers decide' that tells me we will not see any forthcoming evidence from TTSA...

 
Does this mean TTSA is fully endorsing Bubba Lazar?...Do they disagree with Hal Puthoff's colleagues and NIDS members in regards to Lazar?...Do they disagree with Eric Davis' statement that Lazar "Made up his entire cockamamie story”?...

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Most of the key players must know that Lazar is totally full of crap - Dr. Davis certainly knows it. And that makes it worse, because they have foreknowledge of Lazar's guilt. That makes them accessories to fraud, and by taking some of that money, they're now conspirators. Any way you cut it, helping a proven fraud bilk money from the credulous is deeply immoral and unethical - it should be criminal, but it's not in this effed-up country.

So at this point I'm forced to the sidelines, because supporting an organization that's in bed with a fraud would make me complicit.

Now their only hope of some glimmer of redemption are the possibly significant findings of their ADAM Project research, and that could still take months to hear about.
 

nivek

As Above So Below
Most of the key players must know that Lazar is totally full of crap - Dr. Davis certainly knows it. And that makes it worse, because they have foreknowledge of Lazar's guilt. That makes them accessories to fraud, and by taking some of that money, they're now conspirators. Any way you cut it, helping a proven fraud bilk money from the credulous is deeply immoral and unethical - it should be criminal, but it's not in this effed-up country.

To think I was seriously considering investing in their business...Phew, dodged a bullet there...

So at this point I'm forced to the sidelines, because supporting an organization that's in bed with a fraud would make me complicit.

Indeed, not only on the sidelines but back in the parking lot sitting in my car with binoculars...

Now their only hope of some glimmer of redemption are the possibly significant findings of their ADAM Project research, and that could still take months to hear about.

Well, Nathan said it (below), what's the use of the ADAM project when we have all these recovered craft?...

 
I cant tell what the hell theyre thinking. This kind of move tells me theyre more intrested in muddying the waters than get to the truth of the matter.
 
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nivek

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It's only just begun...




 
Most of the key players must know that Lazar is totally full of crap - Dr. Davis certainly knows it. And that makes it worse, because they have foreknowledge of Lazar's guilt. That makes them accessories to fraud, and by taking some of that money, they're now conspirators. Any way you cut it, helping a proven fraud bilk money from the credulous is deeply immoral and unethical - it should be criminal, but it's not in this effed-up country.

So at this point I'm forced to the sidelines, because supporting an organization that's in bed with a fraud would make me complicit.

Now their only hope of some glimmer of redemption are the possibly significant findings of their ADAM Project research, and that could still take months to hear about.

I think we should take anything these guys claim now with a dose of salt, if you didnt already, until they actually show us something thats verifiable. Its time for them to either put up or shut up.
 
I'm just about done with the whole UFO topic, at least as it exists in the public realm. There is a ton of interesting stuff here, but it's buried under layers of various vomit-inducing substances. That may be the result of conspiracies, incompetence, greed, stupidity or some frightful combination of all those things. I'd bet on the latter.

Anyway, I strongly recommend going back to some of the many fine books printed during the previous century, when there were actual intelligent, ethical researchers doing careful work and documenting it with integrity. Recently I finished reading The Tujunga Canyon Contacts by Ann Druffel and D. Scott Rogo, a fascinating read chock full of weird crap that went on in the lives of several women in California during the 50s and later. Long out of print, but well worth hunting down.

There is nothing like the first-person account of inexpiable events told to a competent investigator, presented with minimal editing. So much of what is online, even about famous cases, is the end result of various editors and others whittling away at whatever doesn't seem to support their particular beliefs or even agendas that it becomes essentially a watered down, vague approximation of what really happened. Sometimes it's much worse. As in any research or inquiry, it is hard to overstate the importance of primary source information. A good book comes about as close to our comfy armchairs as we can get.
 
I think we should take anything these guys claim now with a dose of salt, if you didnt already, until they actually show us something thats verifiable. Its time for them to either put up or shut up.
Yep, they have just made their task a few orders of magnitude more difficult. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot!
 
Yep, they have just made their task a few orders of magnitude more difficult. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot!

Part of me thinks it was done on purpose, deliberate obfuscation. Whatever TTSA is, a profiteering business or a CIA front company, im not playing these games anymore, its time for them to either come clean with what they supposedly have or fade away.
 
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nivek

As Above So Below
I'm just about done with the whole UFO topic, at least as it exists in the public realm. There is a ton of interesting stuff here, but it's buried under layers of various vomit-inducing substances. That may be the result of conspiracies, incompetence, greed, stupidity or some frightful combination of all those things. I'd bet on the latter.

Anyway, I strongly recommend going back to some of the many fine books printed during the previous century, when there were actual intelligent, ethical researchers doing careful work and documenting it with integrity. Recently I finished reading The Tujunga Canyon Contacts by Ann Druffel and D. Scott Rogo, a fascinating read chock full of weird crap that went on in the lives of several women in California during the 50s and later. Long out of print, but well worth hunting down.

There is nothing like the first-person account of inexpiable events told to a competent investigator, presented with minimal editing. So much of what is online, even about famous cases, is the end result of various editors and others whittling away at whatever doesn't seem to support their particular beliefs or even agendas that it becomes essentially a watered down, vague approximation of what really happened. Sometimes it's much worse. As in any research or inquiry, it is hard to overstate the importance of primary source information. A good book comes about as close to our comfy armchairs as we can get.

Just ordered it on Barnes and Noble, I haven't read that book before, looking forward to it...Thank you!

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BTW whatever happened or will happen with TTSA, I still believe in the Nimitz and East Coast incidents, those stand with their own legs. But like Greenewald said its a sad thing theyve been kinda tied to TTSA and its reputation now, wherever it goes.
 
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