nivek
As Above So Below
That's a very good point, those videos and Navy personnel testimony are legitimate and credible but they are also tied to TTSA's campaign now, which seems to be steering them all into dark murky waters...
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To The Stars Academy: Investigating the Unexplained
That's a very good point, those videos and Navy personnel testimony are legitimate and credible but they are also tied to TTSA's campaign now, which seems to be steering them all into dark murky waters...
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Spaceman spiff
Noble
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nivek
As Above So Below
I think its one of two things; either they are implying these craft are alien, saying it without saying it, or they really do know what those craft are but making these statements as a stepping stone of a reveal...
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pigfarmer
tall, thin, irritable
Agreed. There's a lot to unpack from all this. I doubt any of us would have predicted in Dec 2017 that Bob Lazar would have been the credulity torpedo that sunk TTSA. Or put a big hole in it anyway. Goes to show some things never change. There's some real irony in there if you want to ponder it.
I just listened to Fravor's interview, most of it anyway and no matter what I'm not having any trouble believing what he's saying. There is a history of very similar reports going back a long time but I am very reluctant to connect those dots for several reasons. We've had decades to chew that cud. With Fravor it's current, we can look at him, hear what he has to say, see the footage and make a better evaluation. A couple of points he has made are:
1) It knew where his CAP - rendezvous - point was and just appeared there. Not transited quickly, appeared.
2) It jammed his radar which Fravor described as 'technically an act of war'
3) They were just there to observe
Well, those two things require awfully specific knowledge about our jets and systems.
He also said that 'one of Lue's men' took his report. Unfortunately the bearded chattering teeth was present during this interview because I was yelling at the dashboard of my truck 'when was that ????!!' but instead we're listening to nonsense. So apparently some entity, AATIP or it's predecessor, was doing just what they claimed they were doing.
I looked at their mandate to produce roughly three dozen papers, one of which was classified, of various esoteric topics. And at some point they were conducting witness interviews about sightings, probably a few years after the fact with Fravor from the sounds of it. I think AATIP had to have been a program involved with emerging drone and other 'unmanned aerial systems'. Other branches of the service may have had similar programs, probably did/do because we are seeing anti-drone systems beginning to emerge. A centralized database makes a lot of sense.
What's different now about all these decades past is that there really are a lot of weird goddamned things flying around. The military has known that for quite some time and has to be concerned about the potential threats they can pose. Refer to the recent strikes on Saudi oil refineries. From the military's perspective I think it would be very dangerous to foster an environment in which an incident in which something odd seen near an asset would go unreported for fear of ridicule - the way it has been all these years. Today's environment is a different story. By default AATIP would probably also wind up being a collection point for what we'd call genuine UFOs. All we can do is guess whether it was a UFO program that included drones & balloons & UAS or the other way around. From the few docs we've seen it sounded more like the latter. When the Navy reissued their reporting guidelines this is what I had in mind. Historically our military has a record of being better prepared for the last war we fought not the next one so if they seem to be lagging in that respect it's par for the course. They would have done nothing had it not become public. The other branches of services haven't had anything to say on this as far as I know.
This is probably the kernel of truth that is underneath TTSA. Was it 'all about UFOs' ? I doubt it but also believe some good reports were also scooped up in the same net and yes, it was 'about UFOs' but maybe not to the extent we've been told. Doesn't really matter. I still can't rule out the possibility that what we've seen in those three videos are ours, some kind of national reconnaissance asset, because of what I mentioned above. It does sound far-fetched even to me but these things just may not be what has been theorized. Alien spacecraft sounds far-fetched too. It's at least fair to leave the door open on both of those ideas.
I think TTSA feels it can say and do whatever it wants. It's perfectly happy to let us squabble over all the details - FOIA requests, drive systems, old cases. The more the better. In this arena you can throw whatever you want at the wall and enough of it will stick to attract a following. Chaos is creating publicity for them, accuracy is not important really. It sure looks like they're more interested in putting a fresh face on UFOlogy for the next generation and their own benefit than some altruistic desire for disclosure.
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Spaceman spiff
Noble
Bob Lazar is either a fraud or a witting/unwitting carrier of disinformation. Either way, I cant trust a company that decides to help him publish his book knowing who he is and about his story, and pretty much tells us afterwards "fill in those holes yourselves and judge him as you will, we dont care, we just publish". Not until they put something out there that shows theyre serious about what they claim to be doing. About rigorous science, accuracy and bringing down the stigma on ufology, because this move is pretty much the opposite of that. Time of words and pretty speeches is over, its time for them to act.
Prove me wrong TTSA, the ball is in your court.
Prove me wrong TTSA, the ball is in your court.
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pigfarmer
tall, thin, irritable
FF to about the 1:28 mark and start listening. Time approximate, I was driving.
Fravor doesn't know UFO history and took Lazar at face value.
The kicker is Corbell explaining gravity drives and metamaterials. @Thomas R. Morrison I'd recommend a couple of stiff shots first if you try to listen to this .......
wwkirk
Divine
If this turns out to b e true, I wonder whether he's leaving voluntarily or is being forced out?
nivek
As Above So Below
Well TD kept saying he was going to bring out the truth but so far all he's been doing is babbling and ranting about everything he believes and provided NO evidence for any of it...He could have been the sole reason that Lazar book was published by TTSA...Its starting to look like TD is the weakest link...
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Double Nought Spy
Celestial
Since I have yet to read anything that seemed to indicate any moral character at all in that man, I know which way I'd bet! As we all know, there is just as much of a real paper trail detailing his actions before he got famous as you'd find about anybody, and there is plenty of shitty behavior in it. Everything from chronic flakiness to strong hints of criminal fraud. How anyone can ignore that is beyond me, no matter how much they may want to believe his fantasies.
Spaceman spiff
Noble
So maybe it was Toms doing afterall? This seems like a damage control move.
nivek
As Above So Below
nivek
As Above So Below
pigfarmer
tall, thin, irritable
I have commissioned a large silver loving cup entitled 'The Roger Patterson Award for Obfuscation' and will award it to Lue Elizondo when ready. To Tom DeLonge we will award an EXIT sign.
Patterson had bills to pay too and needed to make money for his shareholders - his family.
If you're a pilot and see something do you talk to these people about it?
Why must we always be relegated to trying to figure out if there's any truth in the foolishness? Picking corn out of crap. That's the part of all this that makes me sick.
Patterson had bills to pay too and needed to make money for his shareholders - his family.
If you're a pilot and see something do you talk to these people about it?
Why must we always be relegated to trying to figure out if there's any truth in the foolishness? Picking corn out of crap. That's the part of all this that makes me sick.
