To The Stars Academy: Investigating the Unexplained

This is really getting interesting. It's probably useful to think about what might have happened if Delonge had pissed off his contacts a few years ago, or done something to spook them such as, oh I don't know, promoting a well known fraud or something. If they had left him high and dry say three years ago, after saying what all he was going to do and who he was in contact with and what they told him, we'd be laughing at his "nonsense" and thinking him just another kook. If nothing from anywhere corroborated any of his claims, who would believe them? Well, some youtube nuts and their followers of course. What we have now is a chaotic grab bag of, well, we're still trying to figure out what all is in there.
 

nivek

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Back talk coming from TTSA says in a month or so JG and company will be back pedaling in a historic fashion lol...

We shall see...

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pigfarmer

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I'm just thankful I didn't have a mouth full of food or beverage when I read that gem

You and me both. Took me a while to saw through that.

Did we see this engineer in Unidentified ? Don't remember. If he's still anonymous who on Earth (or maybe not) do you suppose it could be?

.....And in it, there is a person that's silhouetted, that's been a very, very high-level defense contractor and engineer out at Groom Lake, Area 51 for decades.

And he says something in that teaser. But that person long ago, I remember when I was telling him a little bit about what I wanted to do, he gave me a call the next day and called me on a video chat. So he gets on there and he goes, "I made calls about you," and I said, "Really?" And he said, "Yeah, I did." He goes, "You'd better be really effing careful. If someone comes up to you and asks you to get in a car and go for a ride, don't get in that car."
 
That article is a gold mine! One thing that Knapp did right, I think, was to keep alluding to others who have been used and then discarded, like poor old Bennewitz. I did not find Delonge's rationale as to why he is any different to be terribly convincing.

Here's another shocker: I just looked at Paul Bennewitz's Wikipedia page, and found it full of nonsense. I see he is now getting the blame for all sorts of things he merely bought into. Blatant misrepresentation of the roles of Moore and Doty. Looks like maybe Doty has managed to get Moore blamed for the slimy shit he himself was running. Moore was certainly an accessory, but not the person doing the pushing. Now I feel like I need another shower. Creeps.
 

pigfarmer

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That article is a gold mine! One thing that Knapp did right, I think, was to keep alluding to others who have been used and then discarded, like poor old Bennewitz. I did not find Delonge's rationale as to why he is any different to be terribly convincing.

Yup. TDL born in 1975 and he's the conduit to the youth of America? uh-huh. And that's why they gave him the Second Greatest Story Ever Told.

I liked that Warzone article. They summed whole thing up; a mixture of credible and incredible.

And was the anonymous Groom Lake engineer actually named? Bob Lazar maybe?
 

nivek

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nivek

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On one hand, science fiction stories and peddling Lazar fiction and on the other, an infatuation with whale song and misidentification of seagulls...WTF happened with the metamaterials and serious investigation?...sigh

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nivek

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nivek

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Leaning heavily on entertainment...

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nivek

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nivek

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Maybe the Big Secret is that there hasn't been any particularly well organized response to UFOs

Could this be why the Army is jumping to deal with TTSA?...Is TTSA representing a real organized response to UFOs in the government's eyes?...

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nivek

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So a group that creates UFO based television shows and promotes UFO based (in Lazar's case fictional) books and has briefed the US Congress on UFOs and is working overall to cast a better light on the topic of UFOs is NOT a UFO group?...:huh8:

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nivek

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Saw this mentioned in UFO circles, would this be considered a Tictac UAP/UFO?...

Socorro, New Mexico Landing (Lonnie Zamora) 1964

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pigfarmer

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Long one, sorry.

Have you noticed that the UFO narrative sine the 90's has been largely driven by pop culture (as always) but also by a relatively small group of people? Bigelow and the former NIDS folks never seem to be too far away from any of this.

Also, anyone who starts looking at that stuff long enough - Vallee and even the NIDS crowd – has always seems to come away with the impression that there's a lot more to the phenomenon than just nuts & bolts ETH and start talking about human consciousness.

Not long ago in another thread @nivek mentioned that he had to step past a number of engineers/technicians to repair a major problem with a piece of equipment at the plant. These are paid professionals who you might think should actually know how that s**t works but apparently didn’t and could only stand and play pocket pool while the operation ground to a halt . But there’s some psychology involved there. First is that they have defined what their job is themselves and what their area of responsibility is. Maybe there's a budget line to consider - which department spends the labor hours? Obviously someone else is to blame for whatever happened, it wasn’t their fault in the first place, they thought someone else was already doing, they weren’t being paid properly for that kind of work anyway or they just couldn’t make the time in their busy schedules. Guaranteed that was the blamestorm that was going on while @nivek crawled into the machinery and got it going again. As the relative outsider he is probably privately vilified by those schmucks out of jealousy, but now he’s the expert. He owns it now, like it or not. I’ve been there myself and think of it as ‘you bought it you name it’

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The military's no different. Those nice uniforms are covering up the same hairy asses everyone else has. In a professional way that’s about what John B Alexander said in a February 19 2019 Open Minds interview, and what he said in his book about UFOs. I think he’s essentially right – that the military is made up of all sorts of people with the same general interests we have and that if there is a program it’s small and cloistered. I also listened to Grant Cameron on the October 16 2019 episode of The Black Vault. He’s out there a bit but interesting to listen to. Those two served as the ipecac syrup so I could finally puke out what I have been thinking about this.

The military and defense industry isn't homogeneous at all and human bumblefucking is an ingredient in absolutely every human endeavor. We'd like to think a deep dark Government Response Team lies like a coiled snake waiting for the next incident but in reality you have a group of people with personalities and individual mandates with attached budgets who will act like mother bears to protect them.

Maybe nobody is or has been doing much specifically about the 'UFO question' at all and when Bigelow showed up as a defense contractor he owned 'it' by default. He had already shoveled buckets of his own money into a personal interest at that point and likely knew a whole lot more about the topic than his peers. Later as a valued defense contractor he became part of the inner circle that TDL has been talking about and brought that interest along with him. Very much like @nivek showing up there was no doubt a good series of epic blamestorms before it was collectively decided that RB won the prize. Having Harry Reid standing next to you probably didn’t hurt – and neither did a budget courtesy of the taxpayers for a change. So RB bought it, he gets to name it. Apparently there was some discussion about the name as the program existed as alphabet soup before lighting upon TTSA, which it really was or really wasn’t anyway. Because that’s been so clear.

So now we’re just talking nuts and bolts again, not human consciousness or a Grand Unified theory. I’ll leave it to others to wonder about the whales.

TTSA had enough credibility to someone somewhere and must've actually coughed up a chunk of material that sounded appealing enough to the US Army for them to carve out three quarters of a million bucks and resources for them to take an initial look, and that's all it is. Came out of somebody's budget for a reason. And it did that in public. Wouldn't you like to get a couple too many drinks into that one and find out exactly what got said to who? The Army isn’t specifically interested in UFOs. They are interested in materials that can resist IEDs, are lightweight, strong, nonmagnetic, etc.

So what’s more likely – the scenario I described with RB or TDL’s version of machine guns, secrecy, and his amazing cleverness to crack this nut? Disturbing to think he can beguile the people he has encountered to that degree.

Then I ask why in the hell are we hearing this at all? Now? Has to be a reason but so far all we’ve got is a weird mixture of credibility and profiteering horseshit. You think those engineers and senior government officials we’ve heard from were all Blink 182 fans? Or, maybe someone like RB can quietly have a word to open a door or two for the lad?

Then I ask – if we are hearing about this starting in 2017 is there a motive beyond just humping this thing for cash? There has to be – too many people with credentials attached to this thing. We got the message, we just don't know what to make of it - and maybe that's the whole point. We're left thinking it's ET. Well, could be.

The money is obviously it’s a perk – a bit like Nick Pope peddling his real credentials and an English accent (and possibly selling his mortal soul) to become a talking head expert on nonsense TV shows. That’s done zero for ufology but pays his bills. You read about the history of espionage you’d be surprised at the things people were willing to do for bupkis money. No idea how this has all worked out for TTSA financially. I haven't looked but wonder about any public accountability or financial transparency they might have in that regard.

Then what the hell is it and why now, in this goddamned peculiar fashion? No stretch for me to say I think it’s either really ET or advanced defense tech. UFOs have been used successfully as a smokescreen before. Hell, Hollywood recycles old movies constantly because they make money. No reason the military couldn’t dust off the UFO stuff again because it still works. I for one wonder just what those X-37Bs do up there for so long. I also wonder if this has been a way to control the narrative, get ahead of a story of some kind to protect defense tech that may have been compromised in some way.

We can argue over the relative likelihood of either but can’t discount them. TTSA has served to rekindle my UFO interest again, that's for sure.
 
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