To The Stars Academy: Investigating the Unexplained

nivek

As Above So Below
This is happening today...:ohmy8:

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nivek

As Above So Below
This looks like a gimmick. But for those interested, that's 8pm MST, 7pm PST, 9pm CST, 10pm EST.

They even put an alien emoticon under their words haha, just noticed that...

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nivek

As Above So Below
So other than being a guest what does TTSA have to do with any of that ?

Nothin really I guess, it started as a coincidental thing, after the deal with the Army and TTSA was announced the advertisement from the Air Force Academy in post #741 was circulating so some TTSA fans thought there might be a connection...

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nivek

As Above So Below
Looks like TTSA has some competition...:laugh8::huh8::cool8:

 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
What fun is any of that?

Clearly they're dropping hints that the Air Force is holding ET captive and we haven't been paying attention. That tears it - I'll have to start a Storm the Air Force Academy movement and be prepared for more subterranean machine gun fights. I expect a lot of Bond type thugs in coveralls and hard hats carrying M3 grease guns. I don't have one but I got guts and a really sharp bayonet for my M1.

The other message is Air Force drones and UFOs have something in common. Too weird. Have to let that one simmer a while.
 

nivek

As Above So Below
Have you noticed that the UFO narrative sine the 90's has been largely driven by pop culture (as always) but also by a relatively small group of people? Bigelow and the former NIDS folks never seem to be too far away from any of this.

Although you're mentioning the 1990s you have me thinking, what about small groups in the ancient past, could there have been small groups sharing information they saw or someone said they saw flying in the skies, night or day...Surely even during the Greek or Roman periods of dominance there must have been small groups of people talking about UFOs in a similar manner as we do now...Maybe during the Renaissance period, or during the ages of Dynasties in China, small groups who observe the night skies see objects moving they cannot explain and share this information with each other...

Also, anyone who starts looking at that stuff long enough - Vallee and even the NIDS crowd – has always seems to come away with the impression that there's a lot more to the phenomenon than just nuts & bolts ETH and start talking about human consciousness.

Let's say for the sake of discussion that there are interdimensional beings visiting here, and their ships act in ways which seem to even defy technology, I would categorize that ship with a 'nuts and bolts' label...I think even the most bizarre descriptions of the visitor's ships are nothing more than technology, but tech that we are very far from understanding...I've noticed when the words "the phenomenon" are being used in many UFO groups they are grouping everything together, shadow people, orbs, the boogyman, all things paranormal even pulling in bigfoot in this group hug with aliens and all things outer space...Some think there's a consciousness behind all of this fooling us, tricking and deceiving us for kicks, the cosmic trickster, Loki, or some say its an AI behind it all...The other bit is connecting all of this with human consciousness, if I understand that correctly it sort of implies a mass hysteria of sorts...

A lot of this stuff can never be verified or proven true anytime in the foreseeable future, we will never prove Loki exists no more than we can prove an AI runs the show...Nuts and bolts can be verified though at some point as our knowledge and understanding as a species increases, attributing unexplained things to gods and demons held back humanity for eons in many ways...I don't know why are some people so keen to toss unexplained things back into that bucket...

Not long ago in another thread @nivek mentioned that he had to step past a number of engineers/technicians to repair a major problem with a piece of equipment at the plant. These are paid professionals who you might think should actually know how that s**t works but apparently didn’t and could only stand and play pocket pool while the operation ground to a halt . But there’s some psychology involved there. First is that they have defined what their job is themselves and what their area of responsibility is. Maybe there's a budget line to consider - which department spends the labor hours? Obviously someone else is to blame for whatever happened, it wasn’t their fault in the first place, they thought someone else was already doing, they weren’t being paid properly for that kind of work anyway or they just couldn’t make the time in their busy schedules. Guaranteed that was the blamestorm that was going on while @nivek crawled into the machinery and got it going again. As the relative outsider he is probably privately vilified by those schmucks out of jealousy, but now he’s the expert. He owns it now, like it or not. I’ve been there myself and think of it as ‘you bought it you name it’

The military's no different. Those nice uniforms are covering up the same hairy asses everyone else has. In a professional way that’s about what John B Alexander said in a February 19 2019 Open Minds interview, and what he said in his book about UFOs. I think he’s essentially right – that the military is made up of all sorts of people with the same general interests we have and that if there is a program it’s small and cloistered. I also listened to Grant Cameron on the October 16 2019 episode of The Black Vault. He’s out there a bit but interesting to listen to. Those two served as the ipecac syrup so I could finally puke out what I have been thinking about this.

The military and defense industry isn't homogeneous at all and human bumblefucking is an ingredient in absolutely every human endeavor. We'd like to think a deep dark Government Response Team lies like a coiled snake waiting for the next incident but in reality you have a group of people with personalities and individual mandates with attached budgets who will act like mother bears to protect them.

Maybe nobody is or has been doing much specifically about the 'UFO question' at all and when Bigelow showed up as a defense contractor he owned 'it' by default. He had already shoveled buckets of his own money into a personal interest at that point and likely knew a whole lot more about the topic than his peers. Later as a valued defense contractor he became part of the inner circle that TDL has been talking about and brought that interest along with him. Very much like @nivek showing up there was no doubt a good series of epic blamestorms before it was collectively decided that RB won the prize. Having Harry Reid standing next to you probably didn’t hurt – and neither did a budget courtesy of the taxpayers for a change. So RB bought it, he gets to name it. Apparently there was some discussion about the name as the program existed as alphabet soup before lighting upon TTSA, which it really was or really wasn’t anyway. Because that’s been so clear.

That has happened more than once to me now, some of these guys have been in the company a long time and seem clueless some days, it could be that way in the government higher ups, engineers, researchers, etc. working in various programs...

So now we’re just talking nuts and bolts again, not human consciousness or a Grand Unified theory. I’ll leave it to others to wonder about the whales.

Yep, always comes back to the most logical and reasonable explanation, in this case, 'nuts and bolts', leave the whales for Star Trek to deal...(DP) q46

TTSA had enough credibility to someone somewhere and must've actually coughed up a chunk of material that sounded appealing enough to the US Army for them to carve out three quarters of a million bucks and resources for them to take an initial look, and that's all it is. Came out of somebody's budget for a reason. And it did that in public. Wouldn't you like to get a couple too many drinks into that one and find out exactly what got said to who? The Army isn’t specifically interested in UFOs. They are interested in materials that can resist IEDs, are lightweight, strong, nonmagnetic, etc.

So TTSA hit a sweet spot and got the military's attention, especially when one in their ranks probably should have hit that sweet spot first before TTSA was even conceived but they fumbled the ball too many times...

So what’s more likely – the scenario I described with RB or TDL’s version of machine guns, secrecy, and his amazing cleverness to crack this nut? Disturbing to think he can beguile the people he has encountered to that degree.

Then I ask why in the hell are we hearing this at all? Now? Has to be a reason but so far all we’ve got is a weird mixture of credibility and profiteering horseshit. You think those engineers and senior government officials we’ve heard from were all Blink 182 fans? Or, maybe someone like RB can quietly have a word to open a door or two for the lad?

Then I ask – if we are hearing about this starting in 2017 is there a motive beyond just humping this thing for cash? There has to be – too many people with credentials attached to this thing. We got the message, we just don't know what to make of it - and maybe that's the whole point. We're left thinking it's ET. Well, could be.

The money is obviously it’s a perk – a bit like Nick Pope peddling his real credentials and an English accent (and possibly selling his mortal soul) to become a talking head expert on nonsense TV shows. That’s done zero for ufology but pays his bills. You read about the history of espionage you’d be surprised at the things people were willing to do for bupkis money. No idea how this has all worked out for TTSA financially. I haven't looked but wonder about any public accountability or financial transparency they might have in that regard.

Then what the hell is it and why now, in this goddamned peculiar fashion? No stretch for me to say I think it’s either really ET or advanced defense tech. UFOs have been used successfully as a smokescreen before. Hell, Hollywood recycles old movies constantly because they make money. No reason the military couldn’t dust off the UFO stuff again because it still works. I for one wonder just what those X-37Bs do up there for so long. I also wonder if this has been a way to control the narrative, get ahead of a story of some kind to protect defense tech that may have been compromised in some way.

We can argue over the relative likelihood of either but can’t discount them. TTSA has served to rekindle my UFO interest again, that's for sure.

More than meets the eye perhaps, or maybe a few figured out the square peg goes in the square hole and it turned on a light upstairs lol...This mess has been quite interesting that's for sure, or is all of this activity really a distraction to keep others from noticing what is reeeeally going on...:susp:

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pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
I wasn't suggesting an alternative to ETH - I still think it's the most likely scenario. I don't discount abductees I just don't know what to make of that. Perhaps its the effect of failed communication. Like, what would your fish experience if you tried to speak to the bowl periodically?

Our perception of this phenomenon has been greatly shaped since the '90s by pop culture and the adventures of Robert Bigelow. It would be hard to find a more compelling character in ufology who has covered more ground, spent more money or made more apparently legitimate attempts to understand what the hell is going on.

I was pointing out that the Bigelow & the NIDS crowd were absolutely talking about non-nuts & bolts stuff. Precognitive Sentient Phenomenon. Trickster, Loki, what have you. I listed to a fairly recent interview with Dr.Eric Davis and he says they were all over the area studying the entire range of Weird Shit not just isolated at Skinwalker; UFOs, cattle mutilations, etc.

With NIDS 2.0 courtesy of Harry Reid and the taxpayers, and now TTSA in 2019, we aren't talking about any of that. Nope. Old Hat. Never mind all that from before I guess. Doesn't fit with the current narrative although it's coming from some of the same people we heard all that from before. Probably had to change that part to be able to operate in the big leagues as a defense contractor. Probably hard enough talking UFOs in those circles let alone any of that.

As for connecting TTSA's UFO reports with anything else - I don't. True there are some interesting post-WW2 cases that look and sound very similar and I am aware that strange sightings go back a very, very long way. But the most iconic cases we have never seem to hold up under scrutiny and personally I have always preferred the really weird ones in which no one has anything apparently to gain. I might accept Father Gill at his word. Luis Elizondo is probably a nice guy, kind to the elderly and small animals but since when did it become a good idea to believe anybody who says 'believe me'?'

Those 3 videos didn't show any of the silver metallic 'daylight discs' that might or might not be truck mirrors, didn't show cigars, no portholes, stubby wings or exhaust plumes, aircraft carrier sized UFOs or weird little George Jetson things with bubble tops caught in a still frame. The tic-tac was on or in the water though, so maybe it was another Hudson Valley boomerang coming in to slurp our water. Oy vey.

You want to pull in cases from decades past that are stale as hell then great! Just pull them all in. The volume of reports means something is going on - but there's so much opportunistic horseshit surrounding all this trying to sort out cases from years ago and glean something new and useful doesn't sound like a useful exercise. I'd rather focus on what TTSA has presented because it's much more current and compelling - but unfortunately there's all the apparent baggage that comes along with it that we've all wondered over to one degree or another. My expectation is that they'll turn out to be something less than they are promoting - to put it mildly. Who the hell knows?

I'm not making light of those things just saying the objects reported are different and so is the narrative we've been working off of for the past couple of decades.
 
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The military is all about the physical control of territory. It's just about the least capable institution we have when it comes to the River Woo. It would not surprise me one bit if "thuh gummint" has tons of evidence or even tons of craft, but can't make heads or tails of it because they can't get beyond the grossly physical. Couple that with the military's ingrained habit of seeing everything on the horizon primarily in terms of threat, and you have a dysfunctional mess already. Throw in religion, political bullshit, hucksters by the ton, and so on. The decision, supposedly spurred by the conclusions of the Robertson panel, was a classic head-in-the-sand, cowardly and irrational response to the real events going on in the world. It's no wonder we have the idiotic morass we're in presently.

Institutionalized secrecy has had disastrous effects. Not only are the scientists who dare to look into the subject hobbled from the beginning, it provides a rich breeding medium for all manner of germs, parasites, fearmongers and nitwits. All of which have websites.
 
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