Mass Shooting in Las Vegas

AlienView

Noble
Fact is this was a major 'terrorist attack' regardless of whether it was perpetrated by a terrorist organization or
a psycho with a grudge against the world.

But you see how the media is making it into much more than what it is? Why?

Because the liberal gun control advocates are in heat - They seem to live for these type of events
- It motivates them to advocate their agenda of 'people control' not gun control which is a red herring.

Remember what they want you to believe is that magical guns with minds of their own killed many
- That a psycho coming from a family of psychos who instead would have used a bomb and probably killed even more people if he could not get his guns {which were illegally altered} , was behind it all is being marginalized so you will want your liberal lovers of safety first and the Constitution last to disarm the people and steal
their rights.
 

Merle

Honorable
If someone at Dulce speaks the word Jesus they're thrown out of the facility. God Bless America could have the same effect. David Wilcock said there are energies associated with geometric shapes and pyramids create a feel good field that can extent up to fifty miles. The Luxor could be a dark energy generator and anything good within its field is a threat.
No idea about Jesus nor about dark energies nor about conspiracies or political stuff.... Not being American, I've never heard of David Wilcock nor know what Dulce is...

As an 'outsider looking in', what I saw when listening to some of the singing and watching the crowd was a bunch of people having simple good fun at a Country Music Festival little knowing that in about an hour since paying homage to their country, a massacre was about how to happen and some of them would be soon dead and others injured and traumatised...

The fragility of life and the not knowing...
.
 

Toroid

Founding Member
Daily Mail has pictures of his body, weapons, spent cartridges and full clips. At first glance his body placement reminded me of the Heaven's Gate suicide victims. The big question is there's still no motive which points to him being a possible patsy or Manchurian candidate. The lawsuit mentioned in post #22 could have placed him on a regional sh*t list.
Pictured: Las Vegas shooter dead on the floor of his romom | Daily Mail Online
450125C300000578-4944234-image-a-47_1507060169201.jpg

450125CA00000578-4944234-image-a-46_1507060161054.jpg

450125BE00000578-4944234-image-a-50_1507060177092.jpg
 

nivek

As Above So Below
As an 'outsider looking in', what I saw when listening to some of the singing and watching the crowd was a bunch of people having simple good fun at a Country Music Festival little knowing that in about an hour since paying homage to their country, a massacre was about how to happen and some of them would be soon dead and others injured and traumatised...

The fragility of life and the not knowing...
.


Its something people can't realistically worry about day and night either or you'll end up living a very secluded life from that fear but it's a very realistic possibility theses days and can happen at any time any of us goes in to a city or some event where there are a lot of people...
 

Merle

Honorable
Its something people can't realistically worry about day and night either or you'll end up living a very secluded life from that fear but it's a very realistic possibility theses days and can happen at any time any of us goes in to a city or some event where there are a lot of people...
True... not worth living your life forever encased by fear....

In some ways, similar to all those people who are smashing their heads against a brick wall trying to figure out his motive and express anger that he killed himself and isn't around to question to find out why (not that he would have necessarily told anyone even if he was alive). Could even be as banal as that he didn't know why himself and had no particular motive nor reason other that he felt like it...

Regardless of what everyone thinks and believes is the motive, no matter how many official inquests there are to establish one, noone will ever know except the man himself and he's dead...

........and in the meantime, life goes on moving forward...
 

dr wu

Noble
My thoughts go out to all the families and others who have suffered as a result of this tragedy.....such a waste of life of all ages.

I hope the 'conspiracy minded' people don't turn this into some kind of nutty conspiracy and miss the fact that sometimes it is simply what it is....a troubled person who committed a very bad act. Humans are imperfect as we all know and sometimes normal good people go bad and the psychological reasons aren't always clear to us.
 

AlienView

Noble
My thoughts go out to all the families and others who have suffered as a result of this tragedy.....such a waste of life of all ages.

I hope the 'conspiracy minded' people don't turn this into some kind of nutty conspiracy and miss the fact that sometimes it is simply what it is....a troubled person who committed a very bad act. Humans are imperfect as we all know and sometimes normal good people go bad and the psychological reasons aren't always clear to us.

Yes and no......

True, sometimes normal people go crazy - But normal people don't spend all sorts of time, effort and money
to assemble an arsenal - And with a cunning to rival anything al-Qaeda has ever came up with, massacre with
intent, at least 60 people {so far} and wound at least 500 more - This is not a normal, or even abnormal,
human being going crazy - This was a deliberate act of pre-planned malice with intent - And if a more normal
human 'nut' advocates a 'crazy' conspiracy theory - Such as the New World Order needs to disarm America
for the next stage - Don't blame them - Crazy is what crazy does - And there is something particularly sinister about this last terrorist act, to let it go as simply the mere expression of human insanity when guns are available. Many more terrorist acts have taken place in Europe with guns - even though these guns are neither
legal nor easily available.

OK - I admit it - I like nutty conspiracies - Especially if it is possible that the 'nutty conspiracy' may be true!
 

dr wu

Noble
Yes and no......

True, sometimes normal people go crazy - But normal people don't spend all sorts of time, effort and money
to assemble an arsenal - And with a cunning to rival anything al-Qaeda has ever came up with, massacre with
intent, at least 60 people {so far} and wound at least 500 more - This is not a normal, or even abnormal,
human being going crazy - This was a deliberate act of pre-planned malice with intent - And if a more normal
human 'nut' advocates a 'crazy' conspiracy theory - Such as the New World Order needs to disarm America
for the next stage - Don't blame them - Crazy is what crazy does - And there is something particularly sinister about this last terrorist act, to let it go as simply the mere expression of human insanity when guns are available. Many more terrorist acts have taken place in Europe with guns - even though these guns are neither
legal nor easily available.

OK - I admit it - I like nutty conspiracies - Especially if it is possible that the 'nutty conspiracy' may be true!

The problem here is that there isn't a shred of evidence to point to some 'cornspiracy' (the points you made above don't show conspiracy...but more paranoia) yet it has been brought up...by people like you.....to what purpose? Simply because you like to talk about them online...?
Some things might be a conspiracy...but not all things. A thought that all 'conspiracy nuts' need to bear in mind.
btw...there is no 'New World Order' and if I hear one more idiot say that I'm going to slap them on the head and make them go to bed early. ;)
 

nivek

As Above So Below
ISIS claims he was radicalized, recently converted and worked for them...
 

Toroid

Founding Member
Marilou Danley was interviewed by authorities for six hours. Stephen wired her $100,000 to build a home in the Philippines.
Las Vegas shooter's girlfriend: 'Never occurred to me' he was planning violence - CNN
Marilou Danley said that she was worried her boyfriend, Stephen Paddock, was going to break up with her when he bought her a cheap ticket to the Philippines about two weeks ago, then wired her money to buy her and her family a house there.
But Danley, in a statement read by her attorney, said she didn't know Paddock had planned to carry out a mass shooting.
In her first public remarks since Paddock killed 58 people and wounded more than 500 in Las Vegas on Sunday night, Danley said Paddock -- a man she described as "kind" -- never gave her any clues or any warning "that something horrible like this was going to happen."

"It never occurred to me in any way whatsoever that he was planning violence against anyone," she said in the statement.
Danley, who lived with Paddock in Mesquite, Nevada and was out of the country during the shooting, returned to the United States on Tuesday night from the Philippines and spoke to the FBI and the Las Vegas police, her attorney Matt Lombard confirmed.
 

AlienView

Noble
The problem here is that there isn't a shred of evidence to point to some 'cornspiracy' (the points you made above don't show conspiracy...but more paranoia) yet it has been brought up...by people like you.....to what purpose? Simply because you like to talk about them online...?

How about Sheriff Gillespie of Las Vegas - Who just gave a press conference - No they have not found any
conspiracy, or anyone else involved as of yet - But 'they' are keeping their minds open, as is the FBI who also spoke at the press conference.

Conspiracy theory and alien theory is not only interesting, even if it proves to be false - but allows us to think about other possibilities.

You may be one of the few {of the general public} who still believes Oswald acted alone in the assassination of JFK,
But recent polls, and an immense amount of circunstantial evidence indicates this is not true.

BUT, and to be fair - I used to deal in used books, and read an interesting book about a dentist around the turn of the century who created a house of horrors and killed many women over a period of years before he was caught.
I believe his name was Holmes - And I think there is a new movie on him.

So you could be right - We could just be dealing with an intelligent deranged individual creating a new
house of horrors for reasons that only his deranged mind could reveal.

But until proven otherwise - All possibilities, including conspiracies, should be considered.
 
Last edited:

dr wu

Noble
How about Sheriff Gillespie of Las Vegas - Who just gave a press conference - No they have not found any
conspiracy, or anyone else involved as of yet - But 'they' are keeping their minds open, as is the FBI who also spoke at the press conference.

Conspiracy theory and alien theory is not only interesting, even if it proves to be false - but allows us to think about other possibilities.

You may be one of the few {of the general public} who still believes Oswald acted alone in the assassination of JFK,
But recent polls, and an immense amount of circunstantial evidence indicates this is not true.

BUT, and to be fair - I used to deal in used books, and read an interesting book about a dentist around the turn of the century who created a house of horrors and killed many women over a period of years before he was caught.
I believe his name was Holmes - And I think there is a new movie on him.

So you could be right - We could just be dealing with an intelligent deranged individual creating a new
house of horrors for reasons that only his deranged mind could reveal.

But until proven otherwise - All possibilities, including conspiracies, should be considered.


The facts are what matters.....if they lead to a conspiracy then they will show that; until then it really has no place in the investigation imho since it leads to all kinds of media nonsense.
Regarding Oswald.....there is no 'smoking gun' to show he had accomplices or was a dupe...but I also think there are unanswered questions around that event. It seems like we are missing a piece of the puzzle.
On Holmes, real name was Mudgett, this has all the info..... H. H. Holmes - Wikipedia He was called the first American serial killer and much of his spree took place around the time of the Chicago Worlds Fair.
 

Toroid

Founding Member
This article details Stephen Paddock's gambling style. He would play hundreds of hands of video poker an hour with the goal of getting lots of casino perks like a free stay in a suite.
Stephen Paddock Chased Gambling’s Payouts and Perks
The video poker machines that Stephen Paddock liked were the ones that did not draw attention. They had few look-at-me flashing lights or listen-to-me bells.

He would sit in front of them for hours, often wagering more than $100 a hand. The way he played — instinctually, decisively, calculatingly, silently, with little movement beyond his shifting eyes and nimble fingers — meant he could play several hundred hands an hour. Casino hosts knew him well.

“Not a lot of smiles and friendliness,” said John Weinreich, who was an executive casino host at the Atlantis Casino Resort Spa in Reno, Nev., where Mr. Paddock was once a regular and where he met his girlfriend. “There was not a lot of body movement except for his hands.”
 

AlienView

Noble
The facts are what matters.....if they lead to a conspiracy then they will show that; until then it really has no place in the investigation imho since it leads to all kinds of media nonsense.

{First - correction on my last post: Sheriff of Las Vegas is Lombardo - Gillespie was the former sheriff.}

Now as to facts and possible conspiracies - Check this out:

Las Vegas sheriff: gunman planned to survive and may have had help
"
Las Vegas police said there was evidence gunman Stephen Paddock intended to survive and escape his deadly attack at a country music festival on Sunday, and revealed that he also rented an apartment overlooking another music festival that took place in the city the previous weekend.

The disclosures were among several new details revealed by Sheriff Joseph Lombardo, who also strayed into speculation that the man believed responsible for the deadliest mass shooting in modern US history had help.


“Do you think this was all accomplished on his own?” Lombardo asked, noting the arsenal of weapons the shooter amassed, and the discovery of explosives in his car. He added: “You’ve got to make the assumption he had to have some help at some point.”"............

See whole article here:
Las Vegas sheriff: gunman planned to survive and may have had help

Consider that and you can consider any number of potential conspiracies at this point - Including those that involve terrorism, extortion, kidnaping and blackmail - All worth considering for interest
- But then again, in this case, the nut acting alone, even if inadvertently helped by some outside party, is still possible.
 
Top