Deadly Wuhan Coronavirus

nivek said:

Of course numbers are going up, we are on a runaway train, the President is delusional, Congress is completely ineffective, they cannot even agree to work together, much less actually do work together...We are dangerously close to jumping down the same tracks as Italy and with a much larger population, unbelievable...

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We are already at 100 deaths in a day, ugh...

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U.S. reports more than 100 coronavirus deaths in a single day, 500 total

U.S. states on Monday reported more than 100 deaths from the novel coronavirus, pushing the country’s total death toll past 500 and marking the first time single-day fatalities have risen into the triple-digits since the pandemic reached U.S. soil. The virus has now claimed lives in at least 34 states, the District of Columbia and Puerto Rico, and has infected more than 41,000 people nationwide, according to tracking by The Washington Post.

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Shadowprophet said:

How very true. A person, Such as myself can make any assumption of someone else, Yet, there is always someone out there that can make the exact same assumption of me. It is truly a fleeting thing.

You know, I've always said this, But it still holds true, Your wisdom is on another level entirely Pepe.

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Must be the bat pate' working, like they said it would.

Thanks for that shadow but no, just a regular if somewhat twisted mind that must be giving the impression of a wisdom.

I reckon after all this is over our tribal senses will become diluted as we are all fighting the same war and brings us closer together. For us here there is a gist of the alien invasion amongst all of this and a good model on how all the in house conflict can fall away in an instant. Must say I am disgusted with Trump's hinting of getting folk back out there amongst it in order to bolster the economies return, he needs to shut that talk right down immediately.

pepe said:

Must be the bat pate' working, like they said it would.

Thanks for that shadow but no, just a regular if somewhat twisted mind that must be giving the impression of a wisdom.

I reckon after all this is over our tribal senses will become diluted as we are all fighting the same war and brings us closer together. For us here there is a gist of the alien invasion amongst all of this and a good model on how all the in house conflict can fall away in an instant. Must say I am disgusted with Trump's hinting of getting folk back out there amongst it in order to bolster the economies return, he needs to shut that talk right down immediately.

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You are a Humble Man, brother. I will allow you this humility.

On to the Pandemic. It is my hope that of this pandemic, Something great can come from this, Now that this chaotic social atmosphere has endured this struggle together, Everyone has something greatly important that they all share in common. I am no social analyst, but it's my hope that after this struggle people will realize how silly all of the political fightings was, and that perhaps they will even realize that socially, Man or woman, Gay or straight, Saint or sinner, We are all, Not that very different from one another.

I refuse to board this paranoia circus train.
Just the common flu has killed upward to 40,000 plus people since October.
This pales big time.
The radical approach is bullshit IMHO.
Elderly or young children with existing serious health issues are effected.
Quarantine them, don't go radical nuts and shut everything down.
Over of the 335,000 cases over 97, 000 recovered, 14,600 deaths world wide.
If only the regular flu could have these good of numbers.

Circus music anyone.
Or maybe someone has a video of all the people going toilet paper nuts and play Yakety Yak music.

SOUL-DRIFTER said:

I refuse to board this paranoia circus train.
Just the common flu has killed upward to 40,000 plus people since October.
This pales big time.
The radical approach is bullshit IMHO.
Elderly or young children with existing serious health issues are effected.
Quarantine them, don't go radical nuts and shut everything down.
Over of the 335,000 cases over 97, 000 recovered, 14,600 deaths world wide.
If only the regular flu could have these good of numbers.

Circus music anyone.
Or maybe someone has a video of all the people going toilet paper nuts and play Yakety Yak music.

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So people may disagree with you on your points, But I'd be lying if I said I didn't envy your position on this. I wish I felt that way.

The coronavirus did not escape from a lab. Here's how we know.
As the novel coronavirus causing COVID-19 spreads across the globe, with cases surpassing 284,000 worldwide today (March 20), misinformation is spreading almost as fast.

One persistent myth is that this virus, called SARS-CoV-2, was made by scientists and escaped from a lab in Wuhan, China, where the outbreak began.

A new analysis of SARS-CoV-2 may finally put that latter idea to bed. A group of researchers compared the genome of this novel coronavirus with the seven other coronaviruses known to infect humans: SARS, MERS and SARS-CoV-2, which can cause severe disease; along with HKU1, NL63, OC43 and 229E, which typically cause just mild symptoms, the researchers wrote March 17 in the journal Nature Medicine.

In that possible scenario, the genetic features that make the new coronavirus so effective at infecting human cells (its pathogenic powers) would have been in place before hopping to humans.

In the other scenario, those pathogenic features would have evolved only after the virus jumped from its animal host to humans. Some coronaviruses that originated in pangolins have a "hook structure" (that receptor binding domain) similar to that of SARS-CoV-2. In that way, a pangolin either directly or indirectly passed its virus onto a human host. Then, once inside a human host, the virus could have evolved to have its other stealth feature — the cleavage site that lets it easily break into human cells. Once it developed that capacity, the researchers said, the coronavirus would be even more capable of spreading between people.

All of this technical detail could help scientists forecast the future of this pandemic. If the virus did enter human cells in a pathogenic form, that raises the probability of future outbreaks. The virus could still be circulating in the animal population and might again jump to humans, ready to cause an outbreak. But the chances of such future outbreaks are lower if the virus must first enter the human population and then evolve the pathogenic properties, the researchers said.

"Our analyses clearly show that SARS-CoV-2 is not a laboratory construct or a purposefully manipulated virus," they write in the journal article.

Kristian Andersen, an associate professor of immunology and microbiology at Scripps Research, and his colleagues looked at the genetic template for the spike proteins that protrude from the surface of the virus. The coronavirus uses these spikes to grab the outer walls of its host's cells and then enter those cells. They specifically looked at the gene sequences responsible for two key features of these spike proteins: the grabber, called the receptor-binding domain, that hooks onto host cells; and the so-called cleavage site that allows the virus to open and enter those cells.

That analysis showed that the "hook" part of the spike had evolved to target a receptor on the outside of human cells called ACE2, which is involved in blood pressure regulation. It is so effective at attaching to human cells that the researchers said the spike proteins were the result of natural selection and not genetic engineering.

Here's why: SARS-CoV-2 is very closely related to the virus that causes severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS), which fanned across the globe nearly 20 years ago. Scientists have studied how SARS-CoV differs from SARS-CoV-2 — with several key letter changes in the genetic code. Yet in computer simulations, the mutations in SARS-CoV-2 don't seem to work very well at helping the virus bind to human cells. If scientists had deliberately engineered this virus, they wouldn't have chosen mutations that computer models suggest won't work. But it turns out, nature is smarter than scientists, and the novel coronavirus found a way to mutate that was better — and completely different— from anything scientists could have created, the study found.

Another nail in the "escaped from evil lab" theory? The overall molecular structure of this virus is distinct from the known coronaviruses and instead most closely resembles viruses found in bats and pangolins that had been little studied and never known to cause humans any harm.

"If someone were seeking to engineer a new coronavirus as a pathogen, they would have constructed it from the backbone of a virus known to cause illness," according to a statement from Scripps.

Where did the virus come from? The research group came up with two possible scenarios for the origin of SARS-CoV-2 in humans. One scenario follows the origin stories for a few other recent coronaviruses that have wreaked havoc in human populations. In that scenario, we contracted the virus directly from an animal — civets in the case of SARS and camels in the case of Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS). In the case of SARS-CoV-2, the researchers suggest that animal was a bat, which transmitted the virus to another intermediate animal (possibly a pangolin, some scientists have said) that brought the virus to humans.

I am at least heartened by listening to some of the professionals in that daily update. Of course, they'll be torn apart by both sides - anybody standing there in any administration will be the target for rotten fruit. The way I feel about it right now I wouldn't be throwing fruit - I've been to the zoo often enough to have other ideas.

Historically we fail to prepare to a given crisis and then catch up, usually pretty quickly and usually in a big way. But in the interim we're sucking wind.

Fauci is great and completely missing yesterday with no comment on his whereabouts. There was a lot of talk about mini-Mike but that guy really does need a box. Did he just get a day off or did speaking ill about DT have him cast into a dungeon ?

The Attorney General make a crack about toilet paper hoarding. Elton John's stunt double has a sense of humor. Who knew ? He either had to go to the bathroom badly or just wanted to slink away from that train wreck for some other urgent reason.

I've been into the JFK assassination again and been referring to Dr.Birx as 'ascot woman.' When this first started she made a number of flowery comments about our nation's youth and so forth and I dismissed her as a rhetoric fountain. But when it comes to the science she speaks well and I was intrigued when she started to talk about back tracking the spread of the virus and applying a timeline to it. Don't know if it'll happen but we do have an enormous amount of tracking data about our movements, and it sounds as if there is some degree of centralized reporting. I remember a few years ago seeing a forensic analysis of Custer's last stand - they dug up every cartridge case, marked it's type and location and plugged it all into a 3D map. Wow! You could almost plot the movement of individuals. Interesting data to pull out of the ground after all these years. So I guess I'm saying the proof will be in the pudding when it comes to the efficacy of the government's response.

Kchoo said:

Does anyone know anyone that has Covid 19?

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My good friend Louise has it and has been hospitalised today. I've been trying to ease here husbands mind while he sits and waits for news. She will probably be ok as she has no underlying conditions and is in her fifties. I went to see them about a week ago and she wasn't there but her husband is a great mate of mine also was and we kept our business to a minimum on all fronts.

She's a very tough Welsh woman with a broad accent and a mind to match.

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Man dies after self-medicating with chloroquine phosphate to treat coronavirus

A man died after ingesting an additive used to clean fish tanks — which included a pharmaceutical drug touted by President Trump and others as a potential coronavirus cure.

Within 30 minutes of taking chloroquine phosphate, the man in his 60s experienced “immediate effects” and had to be admitted to a nearby Banner Health hospital, the medical system in Arizona said in a press release Monday.

His wife, also in her 60s, is in critical condition after taking the additive, which is used in aquariums to kill some organisms, like algae, that may harm fish.

The man’s wife told NBC News she’d watched press briefings where Trump talked about the potential benefits of chloroquine — and she recalled the name from the treatment she used on her koi fish.

“I saw it sitting on the back shelf and thought, ‘Hey, isn’t that the stuff they’re talking about on TV?,'” she told the outlet on the condition of anonymity.

The couple mixed a small amount of their fish treatment with a liquid and drank it as a way to prevent the coronavirus, she said.

“We were afraid of getting sick.”

Within 20 minutes, both became ill, at first feeling “dizzy and hot.”

Then “I started vomiting,” the woman told the outlet. “My husband started developing respiratory problems and wanted to hold my hand.”

Her husband died shortly after arriving at the hospital.

The cleaning agent ingested by the couple has the same active ingredient as the anti-malaria medicine chloroquine but is formulated differently.

Prices of the product on eBay skyrocketed after some studies found that the pharmaceutical version, the anti-malaria drug chloroquine, and a derivative called hydroxychloroquine, were effective in killing the virus in laboratory experiments.

Trump said last week the drug would soon begin to be distributed to treat some coronavirus patients. FDA Commissioner Stephen Hahn clarified that the drug would be made available as part of a clinical trial.

Old malaria drug may help cure coronavirus
Officials warned people not to take the drugs to treat coronavirus symptoms unless it has been specifically prescribed by their doctor.

“The last thing that we want right now is to inundate our emergency departments with patients who believe they found a vague and risky solution that could potentially jeopardize their health,” said Dr. Daniel Brooks, medical director of the Banner Poison and Drug Information Center.

Chloroquine is especially not recommended for use by non-hospitalized patients.

“We are strongly urging the medical community to not prescribe this medication to any non-hospitalized patients,” Brooks said.

Fish tank additive.

This is Nature's Way of saying 'out of the breeding pool with you'

Heard some guy on the radio last night who had been wrapping his lips around a hair dryer whilst it was on top heat setting and letting it run out through his nose.

Poor chap was in such a state and there was a silence in the studio, from which I could only guess was from pushing the mute button while they re gathered their composure.

pigfarmer said:

Fish tank additive.

This is Nature's Way of saying 'out of the breeding pool with you'

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The funny thing is This a dangerously paranoid time. Older people may remember during WW2 at least historically they may remember the stories, There was a time when people were so alarmed by the threat of nuclear war and dying in that horrible way, There was clamor about suicide pills. an option to die a quicker less painless death than radioactive fallout.

The usage of cyanide pills in history

Panic and paranoia can do a lot to the human psyche... Did his stupidity kill him, or was it his fear, my brother?
Consider he didn't take that as a means to brighten his teeth, He like a lot of people out there was clearly living in a state of complete fear-related chaos.

I ask this for consideration If one had the Coronavirus and the stage came that it was turning horrible. Would one choose a quick painless death or would they choose to suffocate on pink foam writhing in pain?

Don't get me wrong, Everything you just said, Is right and perfectly accurate, He died needlessly, perhaps even pointlessly, but he didn't die unprovoked.

This is scary but we are a long way from suicide pills.

Shadowprophet said:

Did his stupidity kill him

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Absolutely yes - his stupidity killed him. They have to put 'do not drink' on paint cans and 'be careful this hot beverage might actually be f*****g hot' on coffee cups because statistically, there are any number of people out there stupid enough to require it. It isn't to save the idiots - they can't or won't read such warnings - it's for the lawyers.

A guy down the road a bit almost killed his dog because it got sick and his answer wasn't expensive doctoring, it was to rummage through the medicine cabinet and do some trial and error. Fortunately a vet got involved. We think the dog was actually smarter than his owner and The Universe sent him to keep an eye on that knuckle dragger.

Somebody does that to a dog and we freak out but see it for the barn-door dumbness it is. As in, you should be locked behind one with your intellectual peers.

Like that man in Florida, if you're in the hospital and the Grim Reaper just came by to drop off the check I think maybe I'd ask a doctor - with a degree in doctorology things and stuff - to maybe hit me with an appropriate dose for a man my size.

These idiots ain't that.

pigfarmer said:

This is scary but we are a long way from suicide pills.



Absolutely yes - his stupidity killed him. They have to put 'do not drink' on paint cans and 'be careful this hot beverage might actually be f*****g hot' on coffee cups because statistically, there are any number of people out there stupid enough to require it. It isn't to save the idiots - they can't or won't read such warnings - it's for the lawyers.

A guy down the road a bit almost killed his dog because it got sick and his answer wasn't expensive doctoring, it was to rummage through the medicine cabinet and do some trial and error. Fortunately a vet got involved. We think the dog was actually smarter than his owner and The Universe sent him to keep an eye on that knuckle dragger.

Somebody does that to a dog and we freak out but see it for the barn-door dumbness it is. As in, you should be locked behind one with your intellectual peers.

Like that man in Florida, if you're in the hospital and the Grim Reaper just came by to drop off the check I think maybe I'd ask a doctor - with a degree in doctorology things and stuff - to maybe hit me with an appropriate dose for a man my size.

These idiots ain't that.

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I won't need a suicide pill I nearly died laughing at the first of the post, And yes, People are that stupid. I know, I can't help but be coming from a place of sympathy though, You know? That poor guy.

SOUL-DRIFTER said:

This pales big time.

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Indeed, the flu pales in comparison to Covid19, this new coronavirus is quite distinct from any other coronavirus that humans deal with currently...Since this virus is new and distinct and very highly contagious it is best to prepare for the worst and do all that we can to contain the spread...The more it spreads the more chance of it mutating and becoming more deadly...I don't think any of us want to see America in the same boat as Italy but if we play business as usual we will be there and with a much larger population meaning many more deaths...We cannot do much about the flu but we can do something about Covid19 and minimize deaths...

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nivek said:

Has Italy turned the tide on coronavirus? Daily death toll falls for SECOND consecutive day as disease claims 602 new victims offering glimmer of hope that national lockdown is working two weeks after it was put in place

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It's interesting, because I would expect the daily count of deaths to lag behind the daily count of new cases. Those who die have usually been in intensive care for two weeks. The number of new cases has fallen two days in a row, and the lockdown was two weeks ago, so the lockdown measures are likely having an effect on that.

Italy Coronavirus: 63,927 Cases and 6,077 Deaths - Worldometer

It's interesting to see the number of new deaths follow in lock-step. We need to observe both statistics over a period of a few more days to see.

Maybe there were people who were dying very much more quickly in Italy because of the pressure on ICU beds and ventilators. The let up in the number of new cases may have alleviated some of this pressure and allowed more to survive at least a little longer.

Call it what ever you want but I get a sniff of something every now and again and I smelt it when Bojo came right off the bat ¿ with mentioning a herd immunisation having to be established by us as a species.

The first words when facing the unknown are very telling. They have been controlling the spread which kills two birds with one stone, plus seemingly many innocent lives. Flatten the curve and let it ride slowly through town. With the using of herd immunity as an example at first they gave something away. Our governments in some shape or form wish us to contract this desease but in a dose that the body can process. The conflicting reports of the fit and young dying is due to over exposure that became overwhelming.

It's not a bad plan either as one in the hand is worth two in the bush of anyone's money.

SOUL-DRIFTER said:

I refuse to board this paranoia circus train.
Just the common flu has killed upward to 40,000 plus people since October.
This pales big time.
The radical approach is bullshit IMHO.
Elderly or young children with existing serious health issues are effected.
Quarantine them, don't go radical nuts and shut everything down.
Over of the 335,000 cases over 97, 000 recovered, 14,600 deaths world wide.
If only the regular flu could have these good of numbers.

Circus music anyone.
Or maybe someone has a video of all the people going toilet paper nuts and play Yakety Yak music.

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I'll keep the door open for you, so you can jump on board when we get rolling.

No one likes waving goodbye on a sunset orange platform.

SOUL-DRIFTER said:

I refuse to board this paranoia circus train.
Just the common flu has killed upward to 40,000 plus people since October.
This pales big time.
The radical approach is bullshit IMHO.
Elderly or young children with existing serious health issues are effected.
Quarantine them, don't go radical nuts and shut everything down.
Over of the 335,000 cases over 97, 000 recovered, 14,600 deaths world wide.
If only the regular flu could have these good of numbers.

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The trouble with your reasoning about the number of deaths relative to flu is that this is a very new disease. There are 17,250 deaths at the time of this writing. A week ago there were only half this many. There is about a 13% increase in the number of deaths per day. So there are likely to be more than twice as many deaths a week from now. And more than twice as much as that another week hence. Hold off on your comparison of death tolls for a few months or a year.