Deadly Wuhan Coronavirus

nivek

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SOUL-DRIFTER

Life Long Researcher
Indeed, the flu pales in comparison to Covid19, this new coronavirus is quite distinct from any other coronavirus that humans deal with currently...Since this virus is new and distinct and very highly contagious it is best to prepare for the worst and do all that we can to contain the spread...The more it spreads the more chance of it mutating and becoming more deadly...I don't think any of us want to see America in the same boat as Italy but if we play business as usual we will be there and with a much larger population meaning many more deaths...We cannot do much about the flu but we can do something about Covid19 and minimize deaths...

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We will never be in the same situation.
Italy has the oldest population per capita in Europe. And it is them that is at highest risk.
 

SOUL-DRIFTER

Life Long Researcher
The trouble with your reasoning about the number of deaths relative to flu is that this is a very new disease. There are 17,250 deaths at the time of this writing. A week ago there were only half this many. There is about a 13% increase in the number of deaths per day. So there are likely to be more than twice as many deaths a week from now. And more than twice as much as that another week hence. Hold off on your comparison of death tolls for a few months or a year.
The focus needs to be on the problem areas where it is spreading and it will slow down like ithas in China, where it all began.
 

SOUL-DRIFTER

Life Long Researcher
I'll keep the door open for you, so you can jump on board when we get rolling.

No one likes waving goodbye on a sunset orange platform.
I am not against their trying to contain it, it is just many of the radical steps and peoples crazy paranoia.
THIS IS NOT A DOOMSDAY VIRUS!!!
Nor is it even close.

Next year there will be " I survived the Corona virus" t-shirts for sale.

So how much toilet paper have you gone nuts over?

Go ahead shut that door.....
 

nivek

As Above So Below
This is disturbing...

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Scientists in Iceland claim they have found FORTY mutations of the coronavirus - and admit seven cases can be traced back to 'a football match in England'

Scientists in Iceland claim they have found 40 mutations of the coronavirus, which has left the world gripped in fear.

The mutations were discovered by analysing swabs of COVID-19 patients in Iceland, where almost 600 cases have been reported so far. Using genetic sequencing, the researchers identified how many mutations the virus had accumulated. These genetic variants can act as the fingerprints of the virus to indicate where in the world it originated.

The Icelandic scientists were able to trace the coronavirus back to three European countries – Austria, Italy – the epicentre of the outbreak – and England. Seven infected people all went to the same, undisclosed football match in England, the team claim.

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'We can see how viruses mutate,' said Kári Stefánsson, director of DeCode Genetics. 'We have found 40 island-specific virus mutations.

'We found someone who had a mixture of viruses. They had viruses from before and after the mutation, and the only infections traceable to that person are the mutated virus.'One person was found to carry two variants of the coronavirus.

DeCode Genetics was able to trace how the virus entered Iceland, an island nation home to around 365,000 people. Dr Stefánsson said: 'Some came from Austria. There is another type from people who were infected in Italy. 'And there is a third type of virus found in people infected in England. Seven people had attended a football match in England.'


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nivek

As Above So Below
Abandoned elderly coronavirus victims are found DEAD AND DYING in multiple Spanish care homes after staff fled as country's death toll rises 514 - nearly a quarter - in one day to 2,696


Spain's death toll from coronavirus surged by 514 today, a 23.6 per cent increase which takes the total to 2,696. The latest figures from the Spanish health ministry mark the country's largest one-day increase in deaths since the outbreak began. The overall number of infections also rose sharply, jumping by 6,584 - an increase of nearly 20 per cent - to reach a total 39,673. The latest jump comes a day after Spanish soldiers were revealed to have found dead and dying people abandoned in multiple care homes, after the army was called in to disinfect the properties over virus fears (pictured above: army units in protective gear at a care home in Andalucia, left and top right , and a sanitary worker at a home in Grado, bottom right. Authorities have not identified the homes where the bodies and abandoned pensioners were found).

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Shadowprophet

Truthiness
Here is some interesting info.


no, it's not the same as Italy, We have more people, You are working on assumption, Here in the Us, We literally have 4 times the population of Italy, And yes, We have more elderly than Italy. based on the size of our population,

Here are some numbers.

The population of Italy 60.48 million
The population of U.S 327.2 million

Here you can see 21 percent of Italy's population is over 65. Italy Demographics Profile 2019

Here you can see, Roughly like 30+ percent of the U.S population is over 60 Population of the U.S. by sex and age 2018 | Statista

Another link about that, Fact Sheet: Aging in the United States – Population Reference Bureau

Why do we have so many elderlies in the U.S? Two Words, Baby Boom.
It could be much worse here. Truly and honestly.


The numbers say It's going to be much worse over here... Look I'm not trying to Contradict here, But, You are making assumptions, These numbers aren't guesswork mixed with a message of positivity. Sure we could get lucky. I hope we do. Italy wasn't lucky. The deal is, As far as the spread goes, We are a month an a half behind Italy The coronavirus just began kicking in here, let us have this discussion again about how we will all be safe sometime next month.

People aren't freaking out just to spread panic and fear. This is bad. It's an undeniable truth we must face. Telling people everything is going to be fine Sounds Good, it sounds pretty, It sounds positive, But that's not the reality.
 
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Indeed, the flu pales in comparison to Covid19, this new coronavirus is quite distinct from any other coronavirus that humans deal with currently...Since this virus is new and distinct and very highly contagious it is best to prepare for the worst and do all that we can to contain the spread...The more it spreads the more chance of it mutating and becoming more deadly...I don't think any of us want to see America in the same boat as Italy but if we play business as usual we will be there and with a much larger population meaning many more deaths...We cannot do much about the flu but we can do something about Covid19 and minimize deaths...
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It's too late to spare the US from the conditions that we see today in Italy; the people who will be flooding our ICU's beyond capacity in two weeks have already been infected, they just don't know it yet.

People who think that the deaths per year from the flu are greater than this virus must've failed third-grade arithmetic, because this virus is obviously going to claim far more lives this year than any flu since the 1918 influenza epidemic.

The seasonal flu infects roughly 1 billion people per year and claims between 291,000 to 649,000 lives each year, giving:
- a case fatality rate less than .1%
- an infection prevalence of roughly 13%

The SARS-COV-2 virus on the other hand has:
- a case fatality rate probably in the 2.5% and 3.4% range (25 to 34 times higher than the flu)
- a projected infection prevalence of 50% to 70% of the global population

So we can expect this virus to infect 3.85 billion to 5.39 billion people and to claim 96,250,000 to 183,260,00 lives - more than 148-282 times worse than the most lethal year for a seasonal flu outbreak.

And that may be an overly optimistic projection because the developed world only has about 20% of the ventilators that we're going to need, so the case fatality rate could be higher than 5%.

I'd suggest that the US should ramp up ventilator production, but we exported our manufacturing sector to China and other eastern countries so we have almost no industrial sector left. Exporting our industry overseas was the greatest threat to our national security but our politicians didn't care because they're all bought, and now those chickens have come home to roost.
 

pepe

Celestial
I am not against their trying to contain it, it is just many of the radical steps and peoples crazy paranoia.
THIS IS NOT A DOOMSDAY VIRUS!!!
Nor is it even close.

Next year there will be " I survived the Corona virus" t-shirts for sale.

So how much toilet paper have you gone nuts over?

Go ahead shut that door.....

Have you suffered tp rage at your local as a none believer, now that's a worst case scenario.

I have a bidet that has come in handy ( either ) as i'm not a panic purchaser. I've got nine rolls of quilted gold, all purchased during the blitz. That is a year you mentioned there and a clue to what the panic is over. I'm all for getting it in a small dose right now. Just not a killer dose thanks and knowing a big hit could knock it out of the park is something to worry over.
 

Sheltie

Fratty and out of touch.
Have you suffered tp rage at your local as a none believer, now that's a worst case scenario.

I have a bidet that has come in handy ( either ) as i'm not a panic purchaser. I've got nine rolls of quilted gold, all purchased during the blitz.

The blitz? Is that what they're calling the great TP crisis now? :aggressive:
 

Shadowprophet

Truthiness
Here is some Data straight from The Cdc about the Age groups and percentages of mortality rates from Covid-19
Severe Outcomes Among Patients with Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19

Yes, I've read this entirely, But, I feel Instead of describing it, It would be batter if I copy-paste this.
It's long but informative.

Globally, approximately 170,000 confirmed cases of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) caused by the 2019 novel coronavirus (SARS-CoV-2) have been reported, including an estimated 7,000 deaths in approximately 150 countries (1). On March 11, 2020, the World Health Organization declared the COVID-19 outbreak a pandemic (2). Data from China have indicated that older adults, particularly those with serious underlying health conditions, are at higher risk for severe COVID-19–associated illness and death than are younger persons (3). Although the majority of reported COVID-19 cases in China were mild (81%), approximately 80% of deaths occurred among adults aged ≥60 years; only one (0.1%) death occurred in a person aged ≤19 years (3). In this report, COVID-19 cases in the United States that occurred during February 12–March 16, 2020 and severity of disease (hospitalization, admission to intensive care unit [ICU], and death) were analyzed by age group. As of March 16, a total of 4,226 COVID-19 cases in the United States had been reported to CDC, with multiple cases reported among older adults living in long-term care facilities (4). Overall, 31% of cases, 45% of hospitalizations, 53% of ICU admissions, and 80% of deaths associated with COVID-19 were among adults aged ≥65 years with the highest percentage of severe outcomes among persons aged ≥85 years. In contrast, no ICU admissions or deaths were reported among persons aged ≤19 years. Similar to reports from other countries, this finding suggests that the risk for serious disease and death from COVID-19 is higher in older age groups.

Data from cases reported from 49 states, the District of Columbia, and three U.S. territories (5) to CDC during February 12–March 16 were analyzed. Cases among persons repatriated to the United States from Wuhan, China and from Japan (including patients repatriated from cruise ships) were excluded. States and jurisdictions voluntarily reported data on laboratory-confirmed cases of COVID-19 using previously developed data collection forms (6). The cases described in this report include both COVID-19 cases confirmed by state or local public health laboratories as well as those with a positive test at the state or local public health laboratories and confirmation at CDC. No data on serious underlying health conditions were available. Data on these cases are preliminary and are missing for some key characteristics of interest, including hospitalization status (1,514), ICU admission (2,253), death (2,001), and age (386). Because of these missing data, the percentages of hospitalizations, ICU admissions, and deaths (case-fatality percentages) were estimated as a range. The lower bound of these percentages was estimated by using all cases within each age group as denominators. The corresponding upper bound of these percentages was estimated by using only cases with known information on each outcome as denominators.

As of March 16, a total of 4,226 COVID-19 cases had been reported in the United States, with reports increasing to 500 or more cases per day beginning March 14 (Figure 1). Among 2,449 patients with known age, 6% were aged ≥85, 25% were aged 65–84 years, 18% each were aged 55–64 years and 45–54 years, and 29% were aged 20–44 years (Figure 2). Only 5% of cases occurred in persons aged 0–19 years.

Among 508 (12%) patients known to have been hospitalized, 9% were aged ≥85 years, 36% were aged 65–84 years, 17% were aged 55–64 years, 18% were 45–54 years, and 20% were aged 20–44 years. Less than 1% of hospitalizations were among persons aged ≤19 years (Figure 2). The percentage of persons hospitalized increased with age, from 2%–3% among persons aged ≤19 years, to ≥31% among adults aged ≥85 years. (Table).

Among 121 patients known to have been admitted to an ICU, 7% of cases were reported among adults ≥85 years, 46% among adults aged 65–84 years, 36% among adults aged 45–64 years, and 12% among adults aged 20–44 years (Figure 2). No ICU admissions were reported among persons aged ≤19 years. Percentages of ICU admissions were lowest among adults aged 20–44 years (2%–4%) and highest among adults aged 75–84 years (11%–31%) (Table).

Among 44 cases with known outcome, 15 (34%) deaths were reported among adults aged ≥85 years, 20 (46%) among adults aged 65–84 years, and nine (20%) among adults aged 20–64 years. Case-fatality percentages increased with increasing age, from no deaths reported among persons aged ≤19 years to highest percentages (10%–27%) among adults aged ≥85 years (Table) (Figure 2).
 
We are a month an a half behind Italy The coronavirus just began kicking in here, let us have this discussion again about how we will all be safe sometime next month.
We're only 8-10 days behind Italy. We started out about 2 weeks behind them, but it's been spreading faster here than it did there:

coronavirus_italy_vs_usa.jpg

The situation is evolving so quickly that as of today, we're only a few days behind Italy - right now Italy has 63,927 official cases and the US has 48,778 official cases. It looks like we'll overtake Italy within a week or two.

And note that it's only taken eight days for the number of cases in the US to increase over ten-fold. If that trend continues we can expect

48,778 cases in the US today
487,780 cases in the US in about 8 days
4,877,800 cases in the US in about 16 days
48,778,000 cases in the US in about 24 days

So the entire country could be infected within 30 days.
 

Shadowprophet

Truthiness
We're Americans, man. We don't know about them fancy ass washers.
I tried one once, Nope. Maybe it's that I'm American, Maybe it's just a phobia, But things come out of the butt, things don't go in them, I'm sure the look on my face at the said time was meme-worthy though.
 

nivek

As Above So Below
Number of Italian coronavirus cases is probably TEN TIMES higher than official tally of 64,000, officials admit

Italy's tally of coronavirus cases is probably ten times higher than the official figure of 64,000, the head of the agency collecting the data said today.

Angelo Borrelli said it was 'credible' to suggest that as many as 640,000 people could have been infected, because only a fraction of them have received the necessary tests. Testing for the disease has often been limited to people seeking hospital care, with health services stretched to the limit by the scale of the outbreak.

The latest figures show that 6,077 people have died in Italy in barely a month
, close to double the number of fatalities that China has suffered.


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nivek

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Britain's coronavirus death toll jumps by 86 to 422 in biggest daily rise yet - so why are people STILL crammed on Tubes and trains and mingling in parks?

The UK's coronavirus death toll has jumped to 422 in the biggest daily rise yet, officials have announced as the crisis continues to spiral out of control. Eighty-three more patients died overnight in England, including 21 at the one NHS trust in London. Scotland also announced two fatalities, while Wales confirmed another death. The UK had confirmed 335 deaths from the coronavirus as of 1pm yesterday. Northern Ireland's update that one more patient had died last night was not included in yesterday's official toll.


 
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