Deadly Wuhan Coronavirus

The immediacy has been missing in both UK and the US.

Quite intentionally to my way of thinking. I can't emphasise enough how the herd immunisation programme went down like a lead balloon, my government then denied the sentiment and were then seen to change tact but no u turn which appears to have been fudged by that old chestnut time as part of the master plan.

Johnson and Trump had very lengthy talks prior to any announcements and my government wanted to as Johnson put it " level " with us and went further to then put across his point of slowing time and immunising the herd in a fasion that protects the NHS. That is what we are seeing today with government leaving the door open on certain sectors, knowing bosses are waiting on his word. Many have taken it upon themselves but many including the self employed have been left in a half light by obscuring the meaning of the word " essential " .

For some it is critical and others not necessary and that to me has an element of natural selection about it. Looking forward it makes sense to grant and process packages to those who bring in more for the economy, big cooperation down to the one man band a natural process is at work amid our society's structure.

Moooo.....

My wife grew up in Elmhurst. Said this was always known as the Death Hospital - not known for it's dedication, shall we say. Now throw in a real problem and see what happens. Pointing to some other entity that was supposed to supply needed equipment is sadly probably all too accurate, but easy and only part of the story. Poor management, standard operating practices, sanitation, are not things that organizations own up to - and I bet these factors share equal responsibility in all this tragedy.

Long way to say this was a s******e to begin with .......

Articles like this are scary, but also serve to keep up the skeer

https://nypost.com/2020/03/25/nycs-...ing-point-as-13-patients-die-in-24-hour-span/

NYC’s Elmhurst Hospital at coronavirus breaking point as 13 patients die in 24-hour span

New York’s Elmhurst Hospital is at a breaking point amid the coronavirus crisis — with 13 patients dying there in a 24-hour span, officials said Wednesday.

The number of deaths recorded at the Queens facility between Tuesday and Wednesday was “consistent with the amount of ICU patients being treated there,” a spokesman for the city public hospital systems said in a statement.

“Elmhurst is at the center of this crisis,” said Christopher Miller. “It’s the number one priority of our public hospital system right now.”

“Staff are doing everything in our power to save every person who contracts COVID-19,” Miller said.

“But unfortunately this virus continues to take an especially terrible toll on the elderly and people with preexisting conditions.”

Officials say the 545-bed hospital is overrun and in desperate need of supplies.

It’s currently operating at more than 125-percent capacity, compared to its typical 80-percent capacity rate, a source told Patch, which first reported that the hospital was overwhelmed.

“It’s like working at a field hospital in the middle of a war zone,” one ER nurse told The Post.

“New patients are lined up the doors and there aren’t enough beds to hold them. Equipment is running out faster than we can restock it. I’ve never seen anything like it.”

According to The New York Times, some people have died inside the emergency room while waiting for a bed.

“It’s apocalyptic,” Dr. Ashley Bray told the paper.

Earlier this week, scores of people were seen lined up outside the hospital just to get tested for the coronavirus.

Those lines are “just an indication of the overflow and the lack of capacity,” City Councilman Francisco Moya (D-Queens) told The Post.

“They’re inundated,” said Moya, who was born at the hospital, used to work there in development and represents the district its located in.

In the last 24 hours, Elmhurst added 25 staffers from other hospitals, as well as a number of ventilators, said Moya. On Monday, the councilman and Jonathan Krane, the co-founder of the upcoming soccer team Queensboro FC, delivered 1,000 face masks to the hospital.

But the facility will need a lot more help to sustain itself amid a surge in coronavirus patients.

Queens has been hard-hit by the pandemic and accounts for about a third of Big Apple cases, 6,420 as of Wednesday, according to city data.

About 30 percent of Big Apple cases are Queens residents, 5,066 as of Wednesday, according to data from the City Department of Health.

Elmhurst staffers on the front lines are “doing a tremendous job with limited resources they have,” Moya said — but the hospital is “at a critical stage.”

“They’re not going to be able to sustain,” Moya said. “The relief has to be there for the doctors and nurses. And quickly.”

nivek said:

I've noticed something along those lines as well as I have also noticed the infected numbers climbing by over 100,000 every two days, 50,000+ a day worldwide but its beginning to speed up in the past couple days, probably because of its relentless spreading across the US and Canada, and now in Australia more after gaining a foothold in those countries...

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The growth we are seeing is exponential, meaning it is growing at a rate that is proportional to the current number of cases. 50,000 a day is a linear growth rate, or a straight line on a graph of the cumulative case count, whereas the graph is curving upward. If you look at the first table on this page

Coronavirus Death Toll and Trends - Worldometer

after the first three graphs, you can see that over the past week, the number of deaths has been increasing at a rate of about 13 percent per day. To use some round numbers (that resemble, but are not exactly the same as the real data), at the point it hit 10,000 cumulative deaths, the count reached 11,300 deaths a day later. And at the point the count hit 20,000 deaths, you hit 22,600 deaths the next day. If the exponential growth continues around the world, on the day we hit 100,000 deaths, there will be approximately 113,000 deaths the next day.

pigfarmer said:

If our politicians found themselves on the wrong side of an issue or a vote and could actually be EATEN - crack the bones, suck out the marrow - then wouldn't that make politics much more interesting? Certainly would focus one's attention.

We've been calling for terms limits, just didn't know the dinner bell was the answer.

I'd have C-Span on all the time.

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Hahahaha yes I like that. I've seen something on t.v that snapped into the bones cracking example perfectly. Had to check what C-span was, latex sprung to mind. ( for health and safety reasons only ).

So one of the employees where I work at called off work because his wife had a fever and the next day they go to the doctor to get tested for the Coronavirus and the doctor told him that he's not showing any signs and doesn't qualify for being tested and told him he can go back to work...

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nivek said:

So one of the employees where I work at called off work because his wife had a fever and the next day they go to the doctor to get tested for the Coronavirus and the doctor told him that he's not showing any signs and doesn't qualify for being tested and told him he can go back to work...

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I wish some of those beautiful, magnificent, more accurate than anyone else's (especially S.Korea) tests were available - the ones you can do yourself, so I've heard.

But there are a lot of people out there who think they have it and don't, so short of actually having enough test kits there is no good answer.

Yeah everything will be fine by Easter, sure...

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New York records 100 coronavirus deaths 24 hours, bringing state total to 385, as number of fatal cases across US jumps to 1,074 and infections increase to 73,000

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On Thursday morning, data from the Oklahoma State Department of Health shows that the state currently has 248 confirmed cases of COVID-19.

The numbers are a 50% spike from Wednesday’s confirmed cases.

The patients are in the following counties:

• Adair – 2
• Bryan -1
• Canadian – 6
• Carter- 1
• Cleveland – 39
• Comanche – 3
• Craig- 1
• Creek – 10
• Custer – 3
• Delaware- 1
• Garvin – 2
• Grady- 2
• Jackson -1
• Kay – 11
• Lincoln – 1
• Logan-3
• Mayes- 2
• McClain -2
• Muskogee -4
• Noble -2
• Oklahoma – 73
• Okmulgee- 2
• Osage – 3
• Ottawa- 1
• Pawnee – 10
• Payne -5
• Pontotoc – 1
• Pottawatomie – 2
• Sequoyah – 1
• Stephens – 1
• Tulsa – 41
• Wagoner – 6
• Washington – 5.

So far, officials say seven Oklahoma patients have died and 86 others have been hospitalized because of the virus.

Sheltie said:

Adding to what I mentioned in the other thread: During the Covid-19 pandemic, nowhere is safe for homeless people

Most US cities have homeless populations that have nowhere to go. I worry that many cities will see their healthcare systems completely overwhelmed by the homeless population alone.

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Its begun...

First homeless New Yorker, 60, dies of coronavirus as 39 people in shelters test positive in the city and the U.S. death toll tops 1,000

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'You can see the destruction': Virtual reality video reveals how coronavirus damaged the lungs a critically ill American patient in his 50s

nivek said:

Europe's odd man out: Sweden refuses to bring in lockdowns despite 2,272 infections, keeps bars open and even ENCOURAGES people to go out
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What a difference a day makes...

Sweden considers cutting off Stockholm in dramatic coronavirus restriction U-turn after deaths soar by 60% in a day with the capital hardest hit

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New Orleans emerges as America's next coronavirus epicenter after infections rise by 30% to 1,800 in 24 hours: Mardi Gras is blamed for outbreak that threatens rest of South

New Orleans is experiencing the highest growth in coronavirus cases seen anywhere in the world, with 827 infections reported as of Thursday morning (Bourbon Street pictured left). Health experts say the city's rapid outbreak was likely accelerated by Mardi Gras, the iconic celebration that unfolded across the Big Easy over a period of several weeks, culminating with Fat Tuesday on February 25 (right). The New Orleans metro area accounts for about 70 percent of Louisiana's nearly 1,800 cases and 65 deaths. Governor John Bel Edwards (inset) has warned hospitals in the state could collapse by April 4 if the daily growth rate remains at 65 percent.

113 dead in a day: UK's coronavirus death toll jumps to 578 in biggest daily rise yet as officials confirm 2,000 more cases with almost 12,000 Brits known to have been struck down

Britain's growing coronavirus death toll today jumped to 578 after 113 more fatalities were confirmed across the home nations, making today the UK's darkest day yet in the escalating outbreak. Health officials also more than 2,100 new patients had tested positive for the life-threatening infection, meaning almost 12,000 cases of COVID-19 have now been recorded in Britain.

It comes after the UK yesterday posted 43 coronavirus deaths, sparking hope that Prime Minister Boris Johnson's unprecedented lockdown was working to control the ever-worsening crisis. But officials changed the timings of how they counted deaths, with yesterday's total only taking into account an eight-hour period. Today's shocking figure represents a full 24-hour count. But Government scientists have admitted there is likely to be 1,000 infected patients for every death recorded in Britain - suggesting the true toll is in the region of 600,000. Number 10 has faced fierce criticism for its controversial policy to only test patients in hospital, meaning only a fraction of cases are being spotted and leaving the true scale of the UK's outbreak a mystery.

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AD1184 said:

The growth we are seeing is exponential, meaning it is growing at a rate that is proportional to the current number of cases. 50,000 a day is a linear growth rate, or a straight line on a graph of the cumulative case count, whereas the graph is curving upward. If you look at the first table on this page

Coronavirus Death Toll and Trends - Worldometer

after the first three graphs, you can see that over the past week, the number of deaths has been increasing at a rate of about 13 percent per day. To use some round numbers (that resemble, but are not exactly the same as the real data), at the point it hit 10,000 cumulative deaths, the count reached 11,300 deaths a day later. And at the point the count hit 20,000 deaths, you hit 22,600 deaths the next day. If the exponential growth continues around the world, on the day we hit 100,000 deaths, there will be approximately 113,000 deaths the next day.

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That linear growth rate has a number of 523,163 at the time I post this, with the second day not even over yet (in my timezone) we're getting well over 50,000 cases a day now, the percentage is rising faster than previously assumed...At this growth rate by mid week next week we may be seeing over 100,000 new cases per day...

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nivek said:

113 dead in a day: UK's coronavirus death toll jumps to 578 in biggest daily rise yet as officials confirm 2,000 more cases with almost 12,000 Brits known to have been struck down

Britain's growing coronavirus death toll today jumped to 578 after 113 more fatalities were confirmed across the home nations, making today the UK's darkest day yet in the escalating outbreak. Health officials also more than 2,100 new patients had tested positive for the life-threatening infection, meaning almost 12,000 cases of COVID-19 have now been recorded in Britain.

It comes after the UK yesterday posted 43 coronavirus deaths, sparking hope that Prime Minister Boris Johnson's unprecedented lockdown was working to control the ever-worsening crisis. But officials changed the timings of how they counted deaths, with yesterday's total only taking into account an eight-hour period. Today's shocking figure represents a full 24-hour count. But Government scientists have admitted there is likely to be 1,000 infected patients for every death recorded in Britain - suggesting the true toll is in the region of 600,000. Number 10 has faced fierce criticism for its controversial policy to only test patients in hospital, meaning only a fraction of cases are being spotted and leaving the true scale of the UK's outbreak a mystery.

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Why the eight hours is just beyond me, crazy to think such a delicate piece of information wouldn't be handled with more care or at least have a thread of consistency over time.

For the faithful 'conspiracy nuts' who really want to believe this virus is more than an unfortunate
and accidental twist of fate:



Is social isolation just the beginning of an agenda? - And is there more to this agenda than just stopping
the spread of Coronavirus?

nivek said:

New Orleans emerges as America's next coronavirus epicenter after infections rise by 30% to 1,800 in 24 hours: Mardi Gras is blamed for outbreak that threatens rest of South

New Orleans is experiencing the highest growth in coronavirus cases seen anywhere in the world, with 827 infections reported as of Thursday morning (Bourbon Street pictured left). Health experts say the city's rapid outbreak was likely accelerated by Mardi Gras, the iconic celebration that unfolded across the Big Easy over a period of several weeks, culminating with Fat Tuesday on February 25 (right). The New Orleans metro area accounts for about 70 percent of Louisiana's nearly 1,800 cases and 65 deaths. Governor John Bel Edwards (inset) has warned hospitals in the state could collapse by April 4 if the daily growth rate remains at 65 percent.

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Corporate news media journalists are such stupid hacks.

Mardi Gras Day, aka "Fat Tuesday" is the last day of Carnival, and it fell on February 25th of this year.

Our first official case of the coronavirus was on March 9th, 13 days later. The virus has an incubation time of 2-14 days, with a mean time for the onset of symptoms of 5.1 days following exposure. So if the outbreak here had anything to do with Mardi Gras, then we would've been seeing a rash of cases by March 2nd or 3rd - a full week earlier.

Mardi Gras had nothing to do with our outbreak here, and it definitely had nothing to do with the rapid rise of cases over the last two weeks. The reason the outbreak is spreading so rapidly here is that a lot of people here are as dumb as nails, and have been doing stupid shit like partying en masse for St. Patrick's Day.

But blaming Mardi Gras sells more papers because it sounds more scandalous.

Here are some more articles to consider.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/walsh-the-media-is-presenting-a-false-choice-on-the-coronavirus

https://fsi.stanford.edu/news/coronavirus-deadly-they-say

Stanford Health Policy's Eran Bendavid and Jay Bhattacharya write in this Wall Street Journal editorial that current estimates about the COVID-19 fatality rate may be too high by orders of magnitude.

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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/20/opinion/coronavirus-pandemic-social-distancing.html

There may be more targeted ways to beat the pandemic.

By David L. Katz

Dr. Katz is president of True Health Initiative and the founding director of the Yale-Griffin Prevention Research Center.

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SOUL-DRIFTER said:

Here are some more articles to consider.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/walsh-the-media-is-presenting-a-false-choice-on-the-coronavirus

https://fsi.stanford.edu/news/coronavirus-deadly-they-say



https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/20/opinion/coronavirus-pandemic-social-distancing.html

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Great idea: let's ignore all of the empirical data demonstrating that widespread home quarantining is the only known effective measure for impeding the spread of the virus and saving lives...and spit-ball some improbable and complex unproven ideas and try them out on the public at large so we can preserve the broken and draconian system of corporate domination of the world...and if a few million people have to suffocate to death on their own blood plasma along the way when it doesn't work out so well, so be it. After all, the Nazi experiments on Jews may have been unconscionable and morally revolting - but we learned a lot of useful medical data that way, right? /end sarcasm

The current economic infrastructure isn't worth saving; we have a global cabal of plutocrats gang-raping the working class all around the globe, and their sociopathic obsession with their insatiable greed is the reason why we weren't prepared for this horrific pandemic, and let it spread like wildfire throughout our world at the key moment when we could've acted and saved millions of human lives. The whole system needs to burn to the ground so we can build a better world where human lives are valued and protected more passionately than corporate profits and elite power structures. In that world, we'd spend hundreds of billions of dollars per year on medical and agricultural research to save lives, instead of spending hundreds of billions of dollars per year carpet-bombing entire nations of poor people who happen to have a darker shade of skin. So the next time one of these nightmarish diseases rears its head, we'll be able to develop a vaccine in a matter of weeks instead of years, and millions of innocent people don't have to die every time nature throws us a nasty curve ball.

Everything about our civilization was horribly broken before this pandemic swept the globe. Better to let that sickening sociopathic orgy of exploitation die, than to let millions of good people die agonizing deaths that we can prevent by keeping everyone at home until this viral shit-storm blows over.

We can certainly afford the bill - trillions more are being spent to save corporations, than the mere billions of dollars required to keep our people alive for the next few months while we self-quarantine. I give exactly zero shits about the value of the stock market - the value of human life transcends a dollar figure. And if the stock portfolios of the plutocrats collapse - and those bloated narcissistic sociopaths have to start working for a living, for a change, then I'd call that justice.

And in case anyone is still operating under the delusion that this virus spares people under 65 - the data is far messier, and far more grim: getting infected with this virus is no picnic for any age group:

CDC analysis shows coronavirus poses serious risk for younger people

New analysis of coronavirus risk: Young adults are not invincible - STAT

Younger Adults Make Up Big Portion of Coronavirus Hospitalizations in U.S.

Thomas R. Morrison said:

Great idea: let's ignore all of the empirical data demonstrating that widespread home quarantining is the only known effective measure for impeding the spread of the virus and saving lives...and spit-ball some improbable and complex unproven ideas and try them out on the public at large so we can preserve the broken and draconian system of corporate domination of the world...and if a few million people have to suffocate to death on their own blood plasma along the way when it doesn't work out so well, so be it. After all, the Nazi experiments on Jews may have been unconscionable and morally revolting - but we learned a lot of useful medical data that way, right? /end sarcasm

The current economic infrastructure isn't worth saving; we have a global cabal of plutocrats gang-raping the working class all around the globe, and their sociopathic obsession with their insatiable greed is the reason why we weren't prepared for this horrific pandemic, and let it spread like wildfire throughout our world at the key moment when we could've acted and saved millions of human lives. The whole system needs to burn to the ground so we can build a better world where human lives are valued and protected more passionately than corporate profits and elite power structures. In that world, we'd spend hundreds of billions of dollars per year on medical and agricultural research to save lives, instead of spending hundreds of billions of dollars per year carpet-bombing entire nations of poor people who happen to have a darker shade of skin. So the next time one of these nightmarish diseases rears its head, we'll be able to develop a vaccine in a matter of weeks instead of years, and millions of innocent people don't have to die every time nature throws us a nasty curve ball.

Everything about our civilization was horribly broken before this pandemic swept the globe. Better to let that sickening sociopathic orgy of exploitation die, than to let millions of good people die agonizing deaths that we can prevent by keeping everyone at home until this viral shit-storm blows over.

We can certainly afford the bill - trillions more are being spent to save corporations, than the mere billions of dollars required to keep our people alive for the next few months while we self-quarantine. I give exactly zero shits about the value of the stock market - the value of human life transcends a dollar figure. And if the stock portfolios of the plutocrats collapse - and those bloated sociopaths have to start working for a living, for a change, then I'd call that justice.

And in case anyone is still operating under the delusion that this virus spares people under 65 - the data is far messier, and far more grim: getting infected with this virus is no picnic for any age group: New analysis of coronavirus risk: Young adults are not invincible - STAT

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Would give this a hundred awesomes if I could.Lets hope some good can eventually come out from all this and that the blood suckers currently in charge face real and permanent consequences.