Deadly Wuhan Coronavirus

nivek

As Above So Below
I do not understand the ignorance of the benefits of blanket testing the population whilst in lockdown, why aren't we doing that, it seems to me the only guarantee of getting things back to normal, blanket testing, isolate those that test positive until they are well, reopen, simple...Without thorough testing we will not be able to gain control over the virus spread, in my opinion..Here is the United States' so-called plan for Opening Up America Again...I reserve my opine on the shallowness of this 20 half-page slide document...

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I posted this above after my inquiries about testing here locally where I live...

How is The Coronavirus affecting your life?

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AD1184

Celestial
I do not understand the ignorance of the benefits of blanket testing the population whilst in lockdown, why aren't we doing that, it seems to me the only guarantee of getting things back to normal, blanket testing, isolate those that test positive until they are well, reopen, simple...Without thorough testing we will not be able to gain control over the virus spread, in my opinion..Here is the United States' so-called plan for Opening Up America Again...I reserve my opine on the shallowness of this 20 half-page slide document...
I am not sure what the testing capacity is currently in the US, but here in Britain it is only 100,000 tests a day (theoretically, although they cannot always manage that). There are sixty million people in the country, therefore to test everyone would take 600 days at the current rate. Meanwhile, the people who got the test on the first day would not have had a test for nearly two years by the time the last tests are performed. To test everyone in a month would require an increase in daily capacity by a factor of twenty.
 

nivek

As Above So Below
I am not sure what the testing capacity is currently in the US, but here in Britain it is only 100,000 tests a day (theoretically, although they cannot always manage that). There are sixty million people in the country, therefore to test everyone would take 600 days at the current rate. Meanwhile, the people who got the test on the first day would not have had a test for nearly two years by the time the last tests are performed. To test everyone in a month would require an increase in daily capacity by a factor of twenty.

Since the first case appeared in the US four months ago we have tested only 9,935,720 US citizens according to worldometer, which is about 82,797.7 people per day over a four month period...There are about 330,000,000 people in the US and judging by this rate of testing it will take almost 11 years to test everyone in the United States...

So many failings:

Despite Early Warnings, U.S. Took Months To Expand Swab Production For COVID-19 Test

The Trump administration says it will now spend billions of dollars to help states make COVID-19 testing more widely available, a move meant to address months-long complaints about test shortages.

But here's the puzzle: Many labs say they have plenty of tests. So what's the disconnect? Turns out a "test" is not a single device. COVID-19 testing involves several steps, each one requiring different supplies, and there are shortages of different supplies at different times in different places.

But despite warnings about supply shortages by health experts and governors at least as early as February, the federal government took until late April to ramp up domestic production of swabs — a universal ingredient in the most common type of COVID-19 test. The swab test checks for active infections, unlike an antibody test, which involves drawing blood to check whether the body has recovered from the virus.

Step 1 of a swab test is collecting a sample, and the most common way to do that is by swabbing a patient's nose or throat. Sample collection usually involves a swab, a tube and a chemical solution called "viral transport media," which keeps the sample fresh as it travels to a laboratory. There are dozens of types of FDA-approved swab tests, and the swabbing is usually done at hospitals, community health centers or drive-through testing sites.

Step 2 takes place at a lab. There, genetic material is extracted from the sample. That requires a special machine and chemicals called reagents.

Once the genetic material is extracted, Step 3 occurs: A machine checks whether that genetic material contains any of the coronavirus. If it does, the sample has tested positive for COVID-19.

"A test is not simply a one-component test, but is made up of many different components," said Heather Pierce, senior director for science policy and regulatory counsel at the Association of American Medical Colleges. "If any one of those components is missing or has insufficient quantities, the test can't happen."

The COVID-19 testing process has been plagued by missing components, including swabs, reagents and the chemical solution that keeps samples fresh. Some weeks, there are shortages of some but not others, or one location has them and another doesn't.

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nivek

As Above So Below

California man with 1% chance of survival released from hospital after two-month COVID-19 battle


Gregg Garfield was in the hospital due to coronavirus for 64 days. For 31 of those days, he was on a ventilator.

Garfield, 54, was "patient zero" at Providence St. Joseph Medical Center in Burbank, California, about 10 miles north of Los Angeles. He had a 1% chance of survival. And he beat the odds, leaving the hospital on Friday. He became ill and was hospitalized after a February trip to northern Italy — an early source of coronavirus infections — with a dozen of his friends.

"The disease kicked off, and my immune system just ate me alive,” Garfield told KCAL-TV in Los Angeles. An avid skier who considers himself an athletic person, Garfiewas on the verge of losing his fight with coronavirus.

Per a report on the "Today Show," Garfield suffered pneumonia and kidney failure. His sister Stephanie Garfield Bruno told KABC-TV that four different parts of his lungs collapsed. He was unable to walk. But with the help of physicians and physical trainers, he was slowly able to regain his mobility and returned home with a walker.

On the day of his release, the entire staff at Providence St. Joseph gathered for a round of applause to cheer on the man who survived coronavirus, after two months of hospitalization. He still has a long road to full recovery, but Garfield hopes that people take the coronavirus pandemic seriously.


"The only thing I really am focused on right now is telling the story about how real this is," he told KCAL-TV.

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Standingstones

Celestial
I expect a politician to look after his or her own skin. With elections coming not too far in the future, no politician can be seen waffling on the Corona virus position. An angry public come November will spell doom for anyone who is up for re-election. You can already see the difference between the way politicians and the medical advisors speak. A politician can’t be seen wearing a mask. It makes you look weak. You have to be seen saying that better times are just around the corner.

As I stated, I was just inside a hospital this past Monday. You would think this would be the one place that everyone would be following the letter of the law about precautions. Far from it. I saw hospital staff walking down the hallways without wearing masks. The pre-operation room had people shoe horned in that space. There was no six foot rule being followed for sure.

This pandemic isn’t going away anytime soon. Use your common sense if you want yourself and your family to stay safe.
 

pepe

Celestial
It is baffling. The government has never managed to get ahead of events, despite every opportunity to do so, only react to them in a sluggish, reluctant manner. The fundamentals of combating a disease epidemic are fairly simple, and it seems that we forgot what they were. Did the establishment turn their noses up at performing the simple, fundamental actions because they were not sophisticated enough, or too much like hard work?

I wish that the government had, among other things, brought in some stringent restrictions on inbound travellers much earlier, and now a lot of the government's critics in the press are wise to the efficacy of this measure. However, let's face it, if the government had attempted to bring in travel restrictions in February or, even better, January, the Guardian-Independent axis would have raised hell over such a response. It would have been racist, nationalist, isolationist, xenophobic and what-have-you. Even though we might have encouraged other countries to do likewise for their own good. Many of those outlets produced stories about the 'science' which indicated that border closures were ineffective against a disease pandemic. It was even an assumption of the government's long-standing pandemic influenza response plan, which was erroneously used as a blueprint for the Covid-19 response, that the arrival of a disease cannot be stopped, and so no effort should be expended in trying.

There was all sorts of cod science spewed in the early days that you do not hear so much of now: masks make no difference; border closures, health screening and quarantine of arrivals makes no difference; testing, tracing, and isolating is a misuse of resources in a pandemic; banning large gatherings will just make things worse; the public won't accept a lockdown. This was the 'good' science, the sort that met with the approval of the arbiters of truth like the BBC, the Guardian, Huffington post and Vox. To doubt it was to be put beyond the pale, along with anti-vaxxers and those who think the moon landings were faked.

Boris and who he has surrounded himself with were there to get brexit done and i'm afraid that element of getting it done has shone a light on covid. After Treasonous May tried to stall for time he was the tonic brexit needed but for this he is not cut out for.

It is beyond me AD and I thought they would get this right but my faith in them has vanished and I can't stand to hear or see any of them. Kier has the measure and is impressing me the more I see of him, how things have flipped is quite amazing. If things are like they are now with brexit a certainty and steptoe in the wilderness, Starmer would have got my vote.

British ecceptionalism is alive and well and has lost contact with common sense. Both the US and the UK were sharing tactics and have taken a somewhat simular approach and that reflects the money minded attitude that sees us where we are now. During this process I have become to respect those I had none for and vice versa, Macron, Merkel and Jimmy Kranky and her side kick Blackford are saying the right things.

Yes I am now a labour supporter and would love the chance to pull my vote out of the clowns backside and shove it up his nose and stick my boot up from where the vote came from.

This could have been easier to swallow if they were to admit at least something they have done was the wrong thing to do or suggest but they have treated us like unruly children who lack the capacity to understand what comes naturally.
 

Shadowprophet

Truthiness
Okay, I know I've been the conspiracy guy lately, I get that, but This whole Stimulus thing, They are even talking about paying another round,

A thought occurred to me. What if they really did know the whole time how bad this was going to be and that Stimulus was a means of paying reparations, I'm just saying, I know that sounds crazy, But, I ask you Guys This, Aren't we supposed to have some very intelligent people connected to the government? No, Really, I mean, I know the stuff we see on the news is just a stage show, But, Shouldn't someone in the pentagon or NASA have known how bad this was going to Get? I mean Isn't predicting how pandemics spread and mortality rates Kind of a Virologists Job? So,

I believe our Government knew how may people were going to die from the very beginning, Because I believe This is population control, I believe, Social distancing worked so well against the Virus, That the government wanted to Actually promote the spread of the Virus by opening the Economy back up, So it could reach its population control goal... I mean, At this point, Could it not be argued that by opening up the Economy, This is directly encouraging the Virus to spread? My Question is Simple, Why? Why didn't our Government Do everything it could to stop this?


This Does feel like an attack because, in certain aspects, It feels intentional, It really does.
 
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nivek

As Above So Below
Revealed - Britain's coronavirus hotspots (and they are not where you expect): Barrow-in-Furness leads cluster of Northern towns with highest rates of coronavirus infections in England and Wales

At least 552 people in Barrow-in-Furness (top right), Cumbria, have been infected with the killer disease since the outbreak began in February, according to the latest Government data,. That gives the small industrial town of 67,000 people, tucked away on the on the Furness peninsula in the North West, a rate of 882 cases per 100,000. To put this into perspective, Barrow's infection rate is more than double that in Wales (365), triple England's (244) and Scotland's (251) and quadruple that in Northern Ireland (220). Figures show that Cumbria is also home to the area with the third highest infection rate. South Lakeland - east of Barrow-in-Furness - has a rate of 488 cases per 100,000 people. And the town with the second-highest rate is Lancaster (753), which is located on the other side of Morecambe Bay in Lancashire (bottom right). Pictured left: The areas with the highest infection rate per 100,000 people.

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pepe

Celestial
Okay, I know I've been the conspiracy guy lately, I get that, but This whole Stimulus thing, They are even talking about paying another round,

A thought occurred to me. What if they really did know the whole time how bad this was going to be and that Stimulus was a means of paying reparations, I'm just saying, I know that sounds crazy, But, I ask you Guys This, Aren't we supposed to have some very intelligent people connected to the government? No, Really, I mean, I know the stuff we see on the news is just a stage show, But, Shouldn't someone in the pentagon or NASA have known how bad this was going to Get? I mean Isn't predicting how pandemics spread and mortality rates Kind of a Virologists Job? So,

I believe our Government knew how may people were going to die from the very beginning, Because I believe This is population control, I believe, Social distancing worked so well against the Virus, That the government wanted to Actually promote the spread of the Virus by opening the Economy back up, So it could reach its population control goal... I mean, At this point, Could it not be argued that by opening up the Economy, This is directly encouraging the Virus to spread? My Question is Simple, Why? Why didn't our Government Do everything it could to stop this?


This Does feel like an attack because, in certain aspects, It feels intentional, It really does.

Oh I hear you big time.

This is stealth herd immunity that has cloaked itself by science where common sense should have been adopted. Your man is doing the same thing by not taking entire control and acting in lockstep, it has hidden his agenda well but mine has drip fed information, manipulated and hidden figures and shrugged the responsibility by hiding behind science where pure common sense was needed.

My nephew who is 15 would have given the right answers to masks, carehomes,schools and airports and if they think they can kid the nation when now that a the veneer to the science is wearing thin they have another thing coming and I hope it's in the shape of a boot. Fuck these arse wipes and their cash, I'm not a people person but I know what's right and please anyone out there who can enlighten me as to whether there can be anything done to remove them from office then I would appreciate the information.

I agree with a relaxing from a lockdown but we never had one, we were asked with no enforcement and now thrown back on tube trains and busses with no one enforcing numbers or distancing by staff. It's deliberate and for monetary reasons.

They want you out there and they might well prefer you contract it, so you can build up what has been spent.

Utter shambles and immoral negligence.
 

nivek

As Above So Below
Kentucky sees coronavirus cases surge 60% in a week while Minnesota spikes by 50% as 19 states continue to see infections rise despite majority of America now lifting lockdown measures

Coronavirus infections in Kentucky have surged 60 percent in a week and Minnesota's are up 50 percent as 19 states continue to see increases in the number of cases as the majority of the country lifts lockdown measures.

Nationally, new cases of COVID-19 are down 11 percent in the last week but hotspots are emerging in some southern and western states, according to a Reuters analysis. Currently, there are 1.4 million infection in the United States and more than 86,000 deaths. Nineteen of the states with at least 5,000 reported cases of COVID-19 are seeing infections rise, the analysis shows.

Kentucky had the largest surge in new cases in the nation with a 60% rise in the first week of May due to widespread testing at a prison that revealed an outbreak.

Minnesota had the second-highest increase in new cases, up over 50% in early May, in part due to expanded testing of anyone with symptoms.

Alabama's new cases rose 41% even before retail stores, bars and salons reopened.

In Mississippi, where diners are allowed inside restaurants, infections were up 19%.

Several western states are also seeing new cases rise.

Washington state grappled with a devastating outbreak at a nursing home early in the US epidemic but got new infections under control. In the past week, new cases have risen nearly 13%, even as only a few counties have allowed restaurants and other businesses to reopen.

New cases in California, which has maintained fairly strict lockdown measures, rose 14% in the last week. In Arizona, new infections rose over 17%.

Analysts looking at cell phone data have reported an increase of movement around the country, even in states that have yet to reopen. With nearly all 50 states beginning to allow some businesses to reopen and residents to move more freely, only 14 states have met the federal government's guidelines for lifting measures.


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The shadow

The shadow knows!
from 1918.. sound familiar?

On September 29, 1918, SS Leviathan left New York harbor for Brest, carrying 9,000 troops and 2,000 crew on board. By the following morning, the sick bay was overwhelmed with men suffering from the symptoms of flu. It took just three days for 700 more men to sicken and for one of them to die. Bunks were turned into makeshift sick beds. Healthy men were confined to less well ventilated quarters and the disease roared through the ship like a wildfire.

On the fourth day, October 1st, 2000 men had fallen victim to the dreadful disease. The official Navy report states that ‘pools of blood from severe nasal hemorrhages were scattered throughout the compartments, and the attendants were powerless to escape tracking through the mess, because of the narrow passages between the bunks.’

The ship docked in Brest on October 8, 1918 with 2000 men sick with flu and pneumonia, 80 had died and been buried at sea and those left healthy were desperate to get off the plague ship. Nevertheless, 280 of the ill men were too weak to get off the ship and 14 more died before the end of the day. Some 1000 of the remaining patients had to be carried via stretcher to the base camp from the wharf in a convoy that stretched four miles. The American influenza casualties eventually reached into the hundreds.
 

pepe

Celestial
A jingle on my phone to ask me to open the door and it was Winston, I knew it would happen. So I opened up and there it was, the drug drone with the front camera making a nodding motion. So I open the box and as green as the bug eyed mantis there it was, the big cheese ripper.

I'm off my nut but on a more positive note i'm feeling better.
 

spacecase0

earth human
I have mixed feelings on all this,
pretty sure I already caught the virus as well as most of the people where I live, this would have happened before the lockdown.
a few people that got sick here tested positive, but they are not testing others...
anyone here that post on popular internet sites about this are filtered... and everyone in my community have noticed and are annoyed.
if I am correct about what is going on, then this virus is way worse than a flu, and I am worried for a few people I know,
but still not worth bankrupting and forcing everyone into poverty for.
poverty is also deadly, and likely more deadly than the virus.

I think people are forgetting that there is no good solution here.
at this point you are left with priorities and sad fallout.
choose a direction, I have no issue with that,
but what I see happening is people choosing sides as if a particular choice is perfect.
 
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