Deadly Wuhan Coronavirus

spacecase0 said:

if I am correct about what is going on, then this virus is way worse than a flu, and I am worried for a few people I know,
but still not worth bankrupting and forcing everyone into poverty for.
poverty is also deadly, and likely more deadly than the virus.

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Well the government has the power to bail out the people, and not just the corporations. And to a very minimal extent they've made an effort to do that.

So the conflation of "economic shutdown" with "personal poverty" is a false equivalency - one of policy, not necessity.

spacecase0 said:

I think people are forgetting that there is no good solution here.

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But there are lots of workable solutions. For example, a national program to equip everyone in this country with the N95 respirators that they need to be safe. And increasing testing so people can know their status. And a universal basic income so the millions of people out of work don't have to face economic devastation.

The biggest problem we're facing isn't the virus itself - it's the total corruption of our government, which is comprised of totally corrupt officials who are more interested in bailing out their billionaire friends, than they are in offering the protection and financial support that the populace needs in order to get through this safely while maintaining a functioning economy.

If our worthless POS government would get us all the PPE and disinfectants and testing kits that we need, we could get back to work without flooding mass graves from shore to shore. But that would require political representatives willing to actually do something for the working class. And we've let these bastards trick us into voting for "the lesser of two evils" for so long that the entire system is more than less evil now.

spacecase0 said:

pretty sure I already caught the virus as well as most of the people where I live

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Man, that's horrible. Don't delay. Go and get tested ASAP.

spacecase0 said:

but still not worth bankrupting and forcing everyone into poverty

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Yeah, let's not forget that this is a choice between being poor and being dead.

As well, the question is whether your employers have the right to kill you? By forcing people to go back to work one is increasing probability they will catch the virus from others and die. Employers would then bear additional responsibility for spreading the virus into a broader community.

spacecase0 said:

I think people are forgetting that there is no good solution here.

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Yes there is. There were zero deaths from coronavirus in Vietnam because they immediately went into a strict lockdown.

Here is what a British NHS nurse who is saving lives of coronavirus victims has to say about preventive measures:

'How many more people can I watch die?'

Dejan Corovic said:

Man, that's horrible. Don't delay. Go and get tested ASAP.

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there is no benefit to me to get tested.
if there was some medical thing they could do to make it go away, then maybe I would.
as it is, I don't go out much, when I do, I wash my hands first and wear a mask. (but now people are telling me that they don't do anything for this virus).
how is a personal lockdown going to help when the people getting things for me also have the same thing and I am more careful then them ?
if the test was negative,
I already know that I have something. and it is hard to get rid of, it keeps coming back.
olive leaf extract wiped out most of it, but the thing that seems to help the most is using my car as a sauna.
I am already doing what I can to get better and not spread it to others.

so I am not convinced that testing is useful, or at least not in the rural area I live in.
and clearly the medical people here think the same as they are not testing anyone here anymore. (after one positive test of someone that interacted with many other people they quit testing)
it is already way to late to do anything about it.

spacecase0 said:

so I am not convinced that testing is useful, or at least not in the rural area I live in.

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Test will help you know if you have it or not. Maybe there are things that can help you slow the decease down till the vaccine becomes available later in the year.

Dejan Corovic said:

Test will help you know if you have it or not. Maybe there are things that can help you slow the decease down till the vaccine becomes available later in the year.

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read this
'Weird as hell’: the Covid-19 patients who have symptoms for months
I see this first hand with me and others I know.

so, if it is positive result for the test,
what would I do that I am not already doing ?

and if I understand what a vaccine does, it is totally pointless once you already have caught something.
my body already has plenty of live and dead virus to identify.

'Coronavirus did NOT come from animals in Wuhan market': Landmark study suggests it was taken into the area by someone already infected - as Beijing thwarts efforts to establish source of Covid-19

China’s claims that the pandemic emerged from a wild animal market in Wuhan last December have been challenged by a landmark scientific study. The analysis of the coronavirus by specialist biologists suggests that all available data shows it was taken into the market by someone already carrying the disease.

They also say they were ‘surprised’ to find the virus was ‘already pre-adapted to human transmission’, contrasting it to another coronavirus that evolved rapidly as it spread around the planet in a previous epidemic.

The explosive claims come as Beijing thwarts global efforts to establish the source of the virus. The news will fuel concerns over the Communist regime’s cover-up since the disease emerged last year in the central Chinese city.

The new research is clear in its finding. ‘The publicly available genetic data does not point to cross-species transmission of the virus at the market,’ said Alina Chan, a molecular biologist, and Shing Zhan, an evolutionary biologist. Their paper insists all routes for ‘zoonotic’ (animal to human) transmission – in this case from bats – must be examined. It says: ‘The possibility that a non-genetically engineered precursor could have adapted to humans while being studied in a laboratory should be considered.’

The revelations add to the growing clamour for an international inquiry into the outbreak. ‘We need to get to the bottom of many things in relation to Covid-19,’ said Tory MP Bob Seely, a member of the Commons’ Foreign Affairs Select Committee. ‘We need to know where this virus began, why we were told at one time there was no human transmission, and what was the role of the Chinese Communist Party.’

Sourcing the virus is key to understanding the disease, developing vaccines and stopping fresh outbreaks. But the issue has become fraught after US President Donald Trump claimed it emerged from a Wuhan laboratory working on bat-borne diseases and China responding by blaming American soldiers at a sports contest.

Beijing health authorities have insisted the virus almost certainly came from an animal in Huanan market in Wuhan. They said it was ‘only a matter of time’ before they identified the crossover species behind transmission from bats to humans. The World Health Organisation quickly backed its claims. ‘The evidence is highly suggestive that the outbreak is associated with exposures in one seafood market in Wuhan,’ it said in a statement.

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Thirteen sailors aboard the USS Theodore Roosevelt test positive for coronavirus for a SECOND time after previously recovering from outbreak aboard the sidelined aircraft carrier

• Thirteen sailors now appear to have become infected a second time while serving aboard the sidelined aircraft carrier
• All the sailors had previously tested positive for the virus and had gone through at least two weeks of isolation
• Questions have been raised about the accuracy of tests, and whether patients who have recovered can get the disease for a second time
• The ship sent more than 4,000 of its 4,800 crew members ashore for quarantine or isolation in March after a first infection

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I wonder whether the people on this planet will ever get a straight answer as to where this virus came from. The virus seems to morph at will. The business of people getting infected a second time doesn’t bode well. Has anyone heard of firm results on any anti virus medication?

I would guess that a large part of this conflict is the that we cannot trust any government official to tell the truth. Politicians seem so eager to get the economy up and running no matter what. I would not be surprised that politicians behind the scenes have decided that many thousands will need to die so that the politicians up for reelection can look good by allowing people to go back to work.

the prime minister of our country (canada), the premier of our province (ontario) and the mayor of the largest city in our province (gta= greater toronto area) give daily televised broadcasts regarding 'all things covid'. the vast majority of canadians believe what they are hearing. as well the majority of our covid cases/deaths, up to 80% are in senior care centers. the city i live in (orillia, ontario) has a population of aprox. 31,000 with 11 cases.

there is a large city park in our backyard. my wife and i walk daily. along with families, other seniors like ourselves, teens etc do the same. the park is a busy place. yet every person waits off to the side, while an other passes by on the park paths. it's respectful and it seems we all know that it's a contagion. we protect ourselves if you go shopping for groceries as do the places we shop at.

the gist of it all is, we get it. no bullshit. not from our government nor our medical experts and not from each other. it is the canadian way.

Not ever been overly impressed by any of these 'celebrity psychics' but just thought that i'd share this 'anomaly' with you guys. This from a seven years dead psychic Sylvia Brown. I'd never heard of her before, and when I looked her up on wiki, am still not impressed, but this below I found interesting. …



Cheers.

spacecase0 said:

there is no benefit to me to get tested.
if there was some medical thing they could do to make it go away, then maybe I would.
as it is, I don't go out much, when I do, I wash my hands first and wear a mask. (but now people are telling me that they don't do anything for this virus).

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If you contracted the virus before the lockdown then you do not have it presently and are not infectious. However, if you did not have Covid, then you are still susceptible now (susceptibility is not known conclusively in recovered infected, but presumably there is at least a limited immunity lasting for some length of time). I strongly doubt that 'most' of the people where you live became infected with Covid-19 before any lockdown. That does not fit what is known about the progress of the disease.

nivek said:

Thirteen sailors aboard the USS Theodore Roosevelt test positive for coronavirus for a SECOND time after previously recovering from outbreak aboard the sidelined aircraft carrier

• Thirteen sailors now appear to have become infected a second time while serving aboard the sidelined aircraft carrier
• All the sailors had previously tested positive for the virus and had gone through at least two weeks of isolation
• Questions have been raised about the accuracy of tests, and whether patients who have recovered can get the disease for a second time
• The ship sent more than 4,000 of its 4,800 crew members ashore for quarantine or isolation in March after a first infection

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I wouldn't get too excited about this story. There was a similar phenomenon observed in Korea. In that case it was because they had initially reported false negatives for infection in people who had recovered from the disease. PCR tests used to diagnose Covid infection typically have a 30% rate of false negatives. A protocol for declaring someone free of the infection might be that they have two negative tests on consecutive days (this was reportedly the protocol used by Public Health England in early February). However if we assume that the failure rate on second tests is the same as for first tests on the same individual, then there is still a 9% chance that a Covid positive person will be declared negative after two tests.

Even if you have a more rigorous protocol for declaring people Covid negative, there is still a chance of positive people slipping through. The PCR test cannot tell you if someone is infectious. They may have detectable virus RNA in their body that is not viable and which lingers for a long time afterwards. This still results in a positive PCR test for Covid-19. This was the South Korean explanation when this phenomenon began to be noticed there.

The vanishing part I agree with 1963.

Building immunity could be a thing that we have to spend time on as individuals. Getting a touch of it every year for ever how many is needed until we kill it without even knowing we had anything but a slight illness each time.

If this does happen, does it make Trump a clairvoyant as he said one day it will just magically dissapear.

There is something that I have felt as nothing lasts for ever and those that last for a long time must diminish ever so slowly, maybe during the replication process it weakens an amount unnoticed by our present day capabilities, combine that with a gradual immunity and it could give the impression that it suddenly went away.

spacecase0 said:

read this
'Weird as hell’: the Covid-19 patients who have symptoms for months
I see this first hand with me and others I know.

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I don't buy this completely, yes maybe some people have had 'some' symptoms of covid-19 but what's not being reported by them is more of what I am pointing out...Covid-19 shares 'some' symptoms with other viruses, so if people are reporting having covid-19 symptoms what other symptoms are they not reporting which could reveal they have/had another virus infection and not covid-19?...

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nivek said:

I don't buy this completely, yes maybe some people have had 'some' symptoms of covid-19 but what's not being reported by them is more of what I am pointing out...Covid-19 shares 'some' symptoms with other viruses, so if people are reporting having covid-19 symptoms what other symptoms are they not reporting which could reveal they have/had another virus infection and not covid-19?...

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Before Covid-19 it was known that other viral infections, such as influenza, can result in a poorly-understood 'post-viral syndrome' of fatigue, weakness and other symptoms lasting three months to a year after recovery from the original infection. It would not be surprising if Covid-19 left a similar syndrome after infection in a sizeable proportion of recovered infected. Covid is a multi-system infection, and not merely a respiratory virus, as originally supposed. Who knows what sorts of damage it, and the immune response to it, can wreak within the body, even after the virus has gone.

1963 said:

Not ever been overly impressed by any of these 'celebrity psychics' but just thought that i'd share this 'anomaly' with you guys. This from a seven years dead psychic Sylvia Brown. I'd never heard of her before, and when I looked her up on wiki, am still not impressed, but this below I found interesting. …

Cheers.

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this has been discussed. here is snopes on it.
Did Self-Described Psychic Sylvia Browne Predict the Coronavirus?
given Browne's track record of fail I chalk it up to a lucky guess at best.

AD1184 said:

Before Covid-19 it was known that other viral infections, such as influenza, can result in a poorly-understood 'post-viral syndrome' of fatigue, weakness and other symptoms lasting three months to a year after recovery from the original infection. It would not be surprising if Covid-19 left a similar syndrome after infection in a sizeable proportion of recovered infected. Covid is a multi-system infection, and not merely a respiratory virus, as originally supposed. Who knows what sorts of damage it, and the immune response to it, can wreak within the body, even after the virus has gone.

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Yes you could be correct on this relation to covid-19, it could cause a similar type syndrome...I have had the flu only once in recent times, about 6 years ago or longer, and I had a strange weakness that lasted a few weeks after I was well...I didn't understand it at first and didn't connect it to having the flu until after I did a little research and looked into this post-viral fatigue or post-viral syndrome...

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1963 said:

Not ever been overly impressed by any of these 'celebrity psychics' but just thought that i'd share this 'anomaly' with you guys. This from a seven years dead psychic Sylvia Brown. I'd never heard of her before, and when I looked her up on wiki, am still not impressed, but this below I found interesting. …

Cheers.

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What about the prediction above the 2020 one? The one which she describes both as "bacterial" and "funguslike". She says that it is "transmitted to humans" by mites on "imported" "exotic" birds. Humans live in all countries where birds do. So what does she means by "imported" and "exotic"? To where are the birds foreign (which is the meaning of the word exotic) and where are they to be imported? Do humans only live where Sylvia Browne did?

Furthermore, she says that the 2020 infection is to attack the bronchial tubes. I could be mistaken, but I cannot find any reference to bronchitis, bronchiolitis or any other pathology of the bronchi in relation to Covid-19. She also makes no mention of the multi-system nature of Covid-19. The respiratory system is just a common entry point into the body, and as I said in my last post it is not merely a respiratory infection.

The shadow said:

this has been discussed. here is snopes on it.
Did Self-Described Psychic Sylvia Browne Predict the Coronavirus?
given Browne's track record of fail I chalk it up to a lucky guess at best.

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Hi Shadow, hope you are in fine fettle matey. … Thanks for the link, I use Snopes from time to time but hadn't checked their opinion before posting. I have just done a bit of research on Mrs Browne since posting, and to be truthful … am not impressed at all. I had no idea that she was in fact an actual convicted fraudster. And that some of her 'predictions' were so way off beam as to imply that she was rather 'just taking blind stabs in the dark' as opposed to being one of those people that really believe that they have some kind of 'supernatural power'. But now that is my opinion of the lady.
However, i'm not entirely sure that there is absolutely nothing to the whole 'psychic prediction genre' .. though I've yet to come across anything tangible enough for me to throw my cap in to the proponent corner. But nevertheless, though I can't claim to have spent much time investigating this classification of the supernatural field like most folk I've grown up on tales from people that I have trusted and still respect that would tend to demand that there might indeed be something to study in the subject. Although I am also aware that like most of the anomalistic trains of study, it is riddled with fraudulent claimants .
As to the Snopes assessment of this being merely no more than a 'lucky guess' assisted by the SARS outbreak being more or less contemporary with Mrs Browns prediction … well maybe there is something in that? … but I also have to take issue with the tone of the Snopes entry, in as much as they seem to be more than a little dismissive of the severity of this current 'coronavirus outbreak'. Being that this thing that we are experiencing presently [and quite possibly for a very long time .. or worse] is proving far more globally catastrophic than any previous outbreak of coronavirus strain including the SARS outbreak of which they refer to. In fact this covid-19 strain is going to change the world as we know it forever.
But all in all, after what I've seen of Mrs. Browne's previous success rate, i'll also lean toward 'lucky guess' … but will reserve final judgement until the rest of the 'prediction' … ie

will suddenly vanish as quickly as it arrived, attack again ten years later, and then disappear completely.

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… falls flat or comes to fruition.

Cheers Buddy.

AD1184 said:

What about the prediction above the 2020 one? The one which she describes both as "bacterial" and "funguslike". She says that it is "transmitted to humans" by mites on "imported" "exotic" birds. Humans live in all countries where birds do. So what does she means by "imported" and "exotic"? To where are the birds foreign (which is the meaning of the word exotic) and where are they to be imported? Do humans only live where Sylvia Browne did?

Furthermore, she says that the 2020 infection is to attack the bronchial tubes. I could be mistaken, but I cannot find any reference to bronchitis, bronchiolitis or any other pathology of the bronchi in relation to Covid-19. She also makes no mention of the multi-system nature of Covid-19. The respiratory system is just a common entry point into the body, and as I said in my last post it is not merely a respiratory infection.

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Hi AD, Good health and thanks for the reply mate. … It is imho without doubt quite feasible that even if these predictions are in fact real and come to certain susceptible people from 'goodness knows where' , as seen in so many literate and filmed examples could come as jumbled pieces of a jigsaw type message. [ala' Allison Dubois in medium] and so not as precise as we would like. Because I believe that you are quite right about the 'bronchial element' as I have been diagnosed with having COPD for many years now, and have been assured by my doctors that it is nothing related to coronavirus/sars/covid-19 [but along with my two bouts of pneumonia likely down to heavy smoking for 45 years] .. but as I said, …from what I know about the claims of psychic knowledge I really wouldn't expect any 'prediction' to be spot on, … but rather more a generalisation of the 'big picture'. .. and not really accurate specifics. And if this turned out to have a basis in fact, then I would be sufficiently impressed [well, rather mind-blown actually!] … but then i'm not really trying to defend Mrs Browne's authenticity or indeed her integrity, but as I have a passing interest in all aspects of the paranormal, and thought that this item was worth passing on to other like-minded parties, I posted here.
As to the previous 'prediction? … about the birds etc, .. well I refer you to my previous comments on the fact that I have never held up any of the predictions of these professional-psychics as something that I believe to be 'real' , but as I also said, perhaps there is a chance that the 'message' that they receive from 'where-ever' is not always as clear and accurate as the recipient would like? … and then again it's probably all a load of £$-making-BS, but nevertheless, I feel that the actual prediction that I posted for consideration is sufficiently close enough to merit a little more attention than the normal 'predictions' that we see from these so-called celebrity psychics. … Do you not agree AD?

Cheers Buddy.

Butte County California Public Health Responds to Religious Congregation Exposed to COVID-19 on Mother’s Day

Butte County Public Health(BCPH)COVID-19 contact tracing and investigation is underway in response to a local, in-person religious service held on Mother’s Day where a person with lab confirmed COVID-19 attended. The infected person received their positive COVID-19 diagnosis the day after the service and is now in home isolation.

The service had over 180 people in attendance. Individuals attending the service have been notified of their exposure and instructed by BCPH to self-quarantine. Information about how to monitor themselves for symptoms, how to contact BCPH and what to do if they become symptomatic has been provided. BCPH is working with healthcare partners to establish testing for all individuals who attended the service.

“At this time, organizations that hold in-person services or gatherings are putting the health and safety of their congregations, the general public and our local ability to open up at great risk,” stated Danette York, Director of Butte County Public Health. “We all need to do our part to follow the orders and mitigation efforts so that our Reopen Butte County plan can continue to move forward.

Moving too quickly through the reopening process can cause a major setback and could require us to revert back to more restrictive measures. We implore everyone to follow the State order and our reopening plan to help combat the potential spread of COVID-19.” Gatherings of any size have been disallowed by the Governor’s “Stay at Home” order since March 19, 2020.

The Stage 2 reopening plan for Butte County does not provide authority to allow gatherings. Those may be considered as we move forward to stage 3 in the future. Despite the Governor’s order, the organization chose to open its doors, which resulted in exposing the entire congregation to COVID-19.

This decision comes at a cost of many hours and a financial burden to respond effectively to slow or stop the spread of COVID-19. Such decisions can place great risk on the County’s ability to continue opening at a faster rate than the State. If the Governor’s order is not followed, these types of decisions may jeopardize BCPH’s ability to respond adequately to prevent the spread of COVID-19.

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