Reincarnation

nivek

As Above So Below
One would be life made itself and by random mutations we are here.You live and die and thats it.
The other is spiritual that would imply that there is a creator of life,what ever ones idea of that creator might be.
Dont see how one can coexist with the other.

IMO its not so cut and neatly packed, both reincarnation and evolution can exist, regardless whether some creator was involved or not...Evolution is not just some random convergences or random pot luck, there are many aspects of evolution that can be considered and discussed, which itself could be another thread of its own, but for the sake of this discussion consider that possibly life was created TO evolve...Not by random mutations but by intend, a means to an end so to speak...Spirituality does not imply a creator, there is other life beyond the physical that could have also be created to evolve or evolves of its own, but also spirituality can also have been created to evolve...Many learned men throughout history up to the present time have evolved through their own spiritual work and development, by conscious intent...Evolution and reincarnation are loaded words but have been stripped of their many implications in modern times...

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dlw

Saved by grace
Life was created by a creator or it created it self.There can not be a third option.The Creator put into his creation the ability for creatures to adapt to the environment, its not the tree of life but trees of life.Meaning canines and felines will always and have always been in their own family trees.
 

nivek

As Above So Below
Life was created by a creator or it created it self.There can not be a third option.The Creator put into his creation the ability for creatures to adapt to the environment, its not the tree of life but trees of life.Meaning canines and felines will always and have always been in their own family trees.

In your opinion of course...

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spacecase0

earth human
At what point did a one cell organism or ape decide it was going to come back as another creature?How do you evolve into reincarnation, or how could man evolve into it?
for a moment imagine that consciousness created reality,
evolution created life in reality.
and consciousness will use that life because it can.
evolution ended up making it easier for consciousness to interface with that life because it makes that life work better.
 

dlw

Saved by grace
for a moment imagine that consciousness created reality,
evolution created life in reality.
and consciousness will use that life because it can.
evolution ended up making it easier for consciousness to interface with that life because it makes that life work better.
Did this consciousness create itself?
 

nivek

As Above So Below
Imagine for a moment, the universe itself having the ability to reincarnate, a much larger cycle of life and death and reincarnation existing for a conscious universe, each incarnation full of new experiences and challenges for so many...

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dlw

Saved by grace
How can it create itself through experience if it created reality?if evolution created more consciousness through experience then consciousness would have never been smart enough to create any thing.
 

dlw

Saved by grace
Imagine for a moment, the universe itself having the ability to reincarnate, a much larger cycle of life and death and reincarnation existing for a conscious universe, each incarnation full of new experiences and challenges for so many...

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a universe that has a Creator
 

dlw

Saved by grace
I will bow out now,i dont believe in reincarnation or evolution either one just wondered how some could believe in both at the same time.
 

spacecase0

earth human
How can it create itself through experience if it created reality?if evolution created more consciousness through experience then consciousness would have never been smart enough to create any thing.
does this help ?
from Will Coleman and Pat Perrin's book, The Jamais Vu Papers.

Imagine, if you will, a realm in witch there is no height, width, depth, or time... Imagine an entity that lives in this realm--an entity called Llixgrijb. imagine that poor Llixgrijb is trapped in some sort of extradimensional cave-in... There's no escape. But Llixgrijb can not die. Its consciousness will continue, all alone and completely paralyzed for eternity--or whatever the equivalent of eternity is in such a realm. How would you deal with this situation ?... You'd create worlds in your mind, worlds within yourself... Llixgrijb created a universe.
 

nivek

As Above So Below
 

dlw

Saved by grace
ask a Buddhist to explain it
I now understand where they who believe in reincarnation are coming from,i dont agree with it but understand it better.Everyone has the right to believe in what they want and i respect that.I just hope others will have the same respect for my believes.
 

The shadow

The shadow knows!
I now understand where they who believe in reincarnation are coming from,i dont agree with it but understand it better.Everyone has the right to believe in what they want and i respect that.I just hope others will have the same respect for my believes.
I am a agnostic. my wife and oldest daughter is WICCAN. my 2nd daughter recently converted to christianity.
I used to challenge others beliefs.
Ny wide asked this " who am I to stand between a man and god"
 

spacecase0

earth human
I now understand where they who believe in reincarnation are coming from,i dont agree with it but understand it better.Everyone has the right to believe in what they want and i respect that.I just hope others will have the same respect for my believes.
I respect others point of view,
I just don't see why they would be mutually exclusive
was just trying to share that just because I think that reality was invented by consciousness,
I don't think that reality must not have evolution to go with that.
once reality was invented, reality has all kinds of things that go with it.
but maybe I am not sharing it clearly enough... if you don't agree with me, I have no issues with that, but I hope to at least show an alternate view of reality.
I started down this path by looking at the observer effect in physics.
so I was at some point convinced that reality is an invention, so there is a creator (inventor).
and the consciousness that came up with it split the consciousness they had to create others, and this consciousness regularly uses reality to make more of itself. so consciousness can show up using physical life forms that have been built with evolution.
does what I say make sense at all ?
I am having a hard time understanding why you think that they would be mutually exclusive
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
I was at some point convinced that reality is an invention, so there is a creator (inventor).

I would like to say that we are the Creators of our own reality, and we are to a point. Just don't step out in front of a bus driver who has created their own.
 

dlw

Saved by grace
The question is what happens to the one who stepped in front of the bus after his death.Any answer any would give would be from what they believe to be true or imagine or just not sure.
What if things that happen in our reality are allowed to happen for a purpose that is beyond our comprehension.
Could a harden heart be used to show those with non harden hearts some thing.
 
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