AATIP, TTSA, AAVs and Exotic Metamaterials

The revelation of the Pentagon's Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP) that came out in the New York Times last December immediately precipitated a sea change in the mainstream media coverage of the AAV/UFO phenomenon, and the story is still developing (much to the chagrin of nay-sayers, wannabe debunkers, and ardent cynics around the world). An online audiovisual library of media coverage about this story is being maintained here:
Pentagon UFO Study

So I think we should have a dedicated thread so we can follow these developments as they appear in the mainstream media and social media.

We're already aware of the testimony of Commanders Fravor and Slaight - two of our top pilots for the Navy's elite Black Aces squadron, and their story about encountering the now-famous "Tic-Tac ufo" has wanna debunkers all over the internet clutching their chestnuts.

More recently two of the radar operators on duty during the AAV flap around the UUS Nimitz Carrier Strike Group have come forward with their own astonishing testimony. Kevin Day, one of these radar operators, described at least 100 radar contacts with anomalous aerial devices over the span of the 1-2 weeks of unexplained events which are now a subject of global news coverage, and Day described the inexplicable evasive maneuvers of these devices: when approached, these devices which were cruising at only 100 knots at an altitude of 28,000ft would drop to a position 50ft above the ocean in .78 second. And when the area cleared, they'd hop back up to 28,000ft just as quickly. That's an average speed of 24,000 mph and a minimum acceleration of 56oo g's. Suffice to say, no terrestrial technology can perform maneuvers even remotely as dramatic as that.

And a perhaps equally astounding thread of this story has been evolving as well: first discussed by Tom DeLonge on the Joe Rogan show, we learned of an exotic photonic metamaterial that lost mass under exposure to THz frequencies of electromagnetic radiation - an effect unknown to modern science.

Initially I dismissed these claims as a confused jumble of existing reports made about a material analyzed by Linda Mouton Howe, which were known as Art's Parts - small pieces of a what appears to be a somewhat melted thinly layered magnesium-bismuth material. It looked like some kind of industrial residue to me, so I didn't take it seriously - some prank on the late great Art Bell and his audience, I presumed. But then in a subsequent interview, Lue Elizondo confirmed the existence of this exotic metamaterial, and some of its highly anomalous features. That forced me to take a serious look at this subject, because Mr. Elizondo strikes me as a highly credible individual. And while reading up on photonic metamaterials in the academic literature, I learned of a physical mechanism within such materials that could yield a mass reduction effect, albeit a vanishingly small one - it remains unknown to modern physics if this effect could be amplified sufficiently to produce a measurable mass reduction effect.

Today Mr. Elizondo traveled to Austin, Texas to deliver a mysterious item to Dr. Hal Puthoff and Dr. Eric Davis:

To The Stars Academy on Twitter

To The Stars Academy of Arts and Science

We can only guess at this point, but I can't help but wonder: is this the exotic photonic metamaterial that we've heard about? And if so, what's next? Are these scientists about to test and possibly confirm this unprecedented mass reduction effect in the lab?

I certainly hope so. Because this could be the key to a gravitational field propulsion technology that theoretical physicists have sought for decades, to no avail.

Will these fascinating on-going developments bring us one step closer to the stars? I guess we'll know soon.

Stay tuned, folks.
 
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nivek

As Above So Below
Thomas, have you listened to the podcast Episode 7 Tom Delonge ?...When I clicked the twitter link you provided, some of the comments were asking about the 'delivery' of I assume that metal and some referred to this episode of the podcast show, I'm downloading it now to listen this afternoon...

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Thomas, have you listened to the podcast Episode 7 Tom Delonge ?...When I clicked the twitter link you provided, some of the comments were asking about the 'delivery' of I assume that metal and some referred to this episode of the podcast show, I'm downloading it now to listen this afternoon...
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That podcast is unlistenable – just a couple of ordinary young guys talking about Tom Delonge (when they’re not goofing off).

If you’ve missed any of this stuff, I think you’ll find it to be far more interesting:

Tom DeLonge’s remarks about an exotic metamaterial on the Joe Rogan show (time-stamped link). And here's the full interview:


Lue Elizondo’s remarks about that metamaterial on OmniTalk Radio (time-stamped link). Here's the full interview:


Dr. Hal Puthoff’s recent comments about this material can be found in this transcript of a recent interview with the President of the Society for Scientific Exploration in Las Vegas:
Hal Puthoff Interview on USS Nimitz UFO Close Encounter
 
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nivek

As Above So Below
That podcast is unlistenable – just a couple of ordinary young guys talking about Tom Delonge (when they’re not goofing off).

If you’ve missed any of this stuff, I think you’ll find it to be far more interesting:

Tom DeLonge’s remarks about an exotic metamaterial on the Joe Rogan show (time-stamped link). And here's the full interview:


Lue Elizondo’s remarks about that metamaterial on OmniTalk Radio (time-stamped link). Here's the full interview:


Dr. Hal Puthoff’s recent comments about this material can be found in this transcript of a recent interview with the President of the Society for Scientific Exploration in Las Vegas:
Hal Puthoff Interview on USS Nimitz UFO Close Encounter


Apologies that podcast I posted was horrible to listen to, I should have checked it out before posting, thanks for the links, I'm going through them now...

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nivek

As Above So Below
“How dare we think that the physics we have today is all that there is."

Spoken by Stephen Justice, who also said he means to harvest advanced technology from alien craft to build a vehicle that will allow for practically instantaneous travel through land, air, sea, and space...

“We are also planning to provide never before released footage from real US Government systems - not blurry, amateur photos, but real data and real videos."

Spoken by Luis Elizondo, who also said the UFOs did not originate from any country so why aren’t we spending more time and effort on this issue?...Good question, the media and the UFO community is a big part of the problem...

The media and honestly much of the UFO community is grossly and deliberately misleading and misrepresenting many aspects of these revelations...There is also the misleading claim that this is the first time the US government has allegedly conducted research into UFOs since Project Blue Book which by all accounts simply is not true...

I've heard over the years of many UFO crash sites where materials were collected, alloys, metals, and even bodies, I think Luis has stated this too, and I think our technology is coming to the point now where we can learn from these materials...Perhaps the US government is further along in its technological developments than that of the public, but it always seems to me that when some technology is developed outside government control and they do not want it to be in the public domain that people disappear and the technology disappears...How is this not going to be any different?...

I believe what Luis is saying, I do not dispute him or his endeavours, but I have to wonder at what point will the US government step in and step down and silence everything or will that even occur this time?...Maybe this endeavour will be the one to help open up advanced engineering and science developments out of the shadows...I would like to see that in my lifetime...

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“How dare we think that the physics we have today is all that there is."

Spoken by Stephen Justice, who also said he means to harvest advanced technology from alien craft to build a vehicle that will allow for practically instantaneous travel through land, air, sea, and space...

“We are also planning to provide never before released footage from real US Government systems - not blurry, amateur photos, but real data and real videos."

Spoken by Luis Elizondo, who also said the UFOs did not originate from any country so why aren’t we spending more time and effort on this issue?...Good question, the media and the UFO community is a big part of the problem...

The media and honestly much of the UFO community is grossly and deliberately misleading and misrepresenting many aspects of these revelations...There is also the misleading claim that this is the first time the US government has allegedly conducted research into UFOs since Project Blue Book which by all accounts simply is not true...

I've heard over the years of many UFO crash sites where materials were collected, alloys, metals, and even bodies, I think Luis has stated this too, and I think our technology is coming to the point now where we can learn from these materials...Perhaps the US government is further along in its technological developments than that of the public, but it always seems to me that when some technology is developed outside government control and they do not want it to be in the public domain that people disappear and the technology disappears...How is this not going to be any different?...

I believe what Luis is saying, I do not dispute him or his endeavours, but I have to wonder at what point will the US government step in and step down and silence everything or will that even occur this time?...Maybe this endeavour will be the one to help open up advanced engineering and science developments out of the shadows...I would like to see that in my lifetime...
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Yeah it's safe to say that the advent of this kind of ufo technology here on Earth has been a primary driving ambition throughout my life, so I'm hoping that Lue Elizondo and his team can bring forward a piece of recovered technology so we can start making some progress in this direction.

Materials science has reached the point where we can engineer the quantum wavefunction of aggregate matter to produce unique effects unseen before, so we could probably make huge strides by studying recovered technology at this point.

TTSA is the spearhead of an orchestrated effort by government insiders to inform the public about this whole situation, so I think we can expect to see a snowballing of new developments over the years ahead. But they have to do it gradually, because it appears to boil down to a very uncomfortable truth: that humanity has been subjected to influences from virtually omnipotent advanced technological alien intelligences since the dawn of our species, and the most engaged species appears to be covertly hostile.

Lue Elizondo hasn't talked about crash retrievals yet, but Dr. Eric Davis recently did, on his latest interview with Coast to Coast AM hosted by George Knapp. He said that we had scientists trying to back-engineer recovered craft, but that program was shuttered in 1989 since our science wasn't yet advanced enough to make heads or tails of it at that point.

Frankly I think we're in for quite a ride as this whole story unfolds, but only time will tell.
 
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humanoidlord

ce3 researcher
has wanna debunkers all over the internet clutching their chestnuts.
for a good reason, the GOV has done similar stuff in the past, for example we have a time in 1979 when the air force said they would reveal a high quality video of a ufo landing complete with UFOnauts in a documentary, at the last time they cancelled it and never spoke about it again
 
i think this is a PSY-OP in the making
or maybe even a way to fund bigelow's space hotel

for a good reason, the GOV has done similar stuff in the past, for example we have a time in 1979 when the air force said they would reveal a high quality video of a ufo landing complete with UFOnauts in a documentary, at the last time they cancelled it and never spoke about it again
I think at this point we're all well aware of your default position on everything paranormal, humanoidlord:

"If it supports the case for extraterrestrial visitation by advanced civilizations, then it's a PsyOp / conspiracy. But if it supports the unintelligible "extradimensional ultraterrestrial" interpretation, then it's the absolute truth beyond question."

No need to go around repeating it in every thread across this entire forum: we get it. Most of us prefer to see actual evidence to support the kinds of allegations you're making. Previous hoaxes by completely unrelated individuals is not evidence, it's confirmation bias.
 
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CasualBystander

Celestial
I think at this point we're all well aware of your default position on everything paranormal, humanoidlord:

"If it supports the case for extraterrestrial visitation by advanced civilizations, then it's a PsyOp / conspiracy. But if it supports the unintelligible "extradimensional ultraterrestrial" interpretation, then it's the absolute truth beyond question."

No need to go around repeating it in every thread across this entire forum: we get it. Most of us prefer to see actual evidence to support the kinds of allegations you're making. Previous hoaxes by completely unrelated individuals is not evidence, it's confirmation bias.


Well.

A more profound objection to interdimensional travelers is the "They can transcend time, space, dimensions, and have to bring a go-cart with them".

A interdimatsional traveler would wear a battle armor/space suit. It would also appear as anything from indigenous clothing to the fashion sense of a truly advanced race, and would accessorize well.

If you can translate at will from point to point having a "spaceship" is stupid. Why??? Why waste time traveling when you don't need to?
 
Well.

A more profound objection to interdimensional travelers is the "They can transcend time, space, dimensions, and have to bring a go-cart with them".

A interdimatsional traveler would wear a battle armor/space suit. It would also appear as anything from indigenous clothing to the fashion sense of a truly advanced race, and would accessorize well.

If you can translate at will from point to point having a "spaceship" is stupid. Why??? Why waste time traveling when you don't need to?
Yeah sorry about that - I skipped over all of the varied and sundry logical objections to the "extradimensional ultraterrestrial" idea because I've already posed all of those arguments to humanoidlord over in this thread, and I might as well have been talking to a wall. He thinks it's reasonable to presume that some omnipotent supernatural intelligence behind everything being reported can manifest solid technological aerial devices through magic, aka, an act of will, presumably in violation of all the conservation laws of physics. So I gave up on trying to debate this subject logically with him.

I'm just not willing to abandon reason in order to explain the AAV phenomenon, but he is. It's pointless to debate with anyone who takes a religious position regarding this stuff.
 

CasualBystander

Celestial
Yeah sorry about that - I skipped over all of the varied and sundry logical objections to the "extradimensional ultraterrestrial" idea because I've already posed all of those arguments to humanoidlord over in this thread, and I might as well have been talking to a wall. He thinks it's reasonable to presume that some omnipotent supernatural intelligence behind everything being reported can manifest solid technological aerial devices through magic, aka, an act of will, presumably in violation of all the conservation laws of physics. So I gave up on trying to debate this subject logically with him.

I'm just not willing to abandon reason in order to explain the AAV phenomenon, but he is. It's pointless to debate with anyone who takes a religious position regarding this stuff.

Yeah, the other problem with the interdimensional visitor using a space craft is the whole propulsion thing.

For example. Let's say he is using a nuclear reactor as a power source. The fine structure constant is likely to be different.

His reactor would either be dead as a doornail, or go critical on activation.
 

Black Angus

Honorable
I think a version of the ETH is the most likely answer.

Though i use ET'sH (Extra Terrestrial's Hypothesis) because if the logic holds then we would be dealing with multiple species/societys

It comes down to a simple question:

Are we all alone in this vast universe or not.

Is our planet , one in a model that with variations is still basically the same the universe wide the only place life took hold ?

Objections such as distance and speed are irrelevant imo.

10 years ago a mission to Mars using the technology of the day would have taken 8 months, today we are talking 40 days......

New Rocket Engine Could Reach Mars in 40 Days

The reactor needed is a challenge, but the Polywell may solve that

Polywell - Wikipedia

So imo distance and speed factors are only limited by technology and that's always evolving.

So the ETH conundrum can be resolved with the question. Are we likely to be the only life in the universe or not.

My money is on not.

There Are Probably Way More Earth-Like Exoplanets Than We Imagined | Science | Smithsonian

A group of scientists from UC Berkeley and the University of Hawaii published a calculation suggesting that we’ve overlooked evidence of a vast number of Earth-sized exoplanets in the habitable zone of their stars, simply because these planets are harder to detect with current methods. They believe that, on average, 22% of Sun-like stars (that is, stars with a size and temperature similar to the Sun) harbor a planet that’s roughly Earth-sized in their habitable zones.


And that doesn't even include the post biological aspect who would not need earth like planets, and for whom distance and timescale is also not a factor.

ABSTRACT


The pace of technological advance on Earth is such that post-humans – whether organic, cyborg or entirely inorganic – could emerge within a few centuries (or indeed within a single century). In the billions of years lying ahead, such entities, continuing to evolve not through natural selection but on the (far faster) timescale of technological evolution could spread through the cosmos (in a manner whose details we manifestly cannot even conceive) . If advanced life had emerged on other planets, and followed a similar evolutionary track to what has happened on Earth, then the era of ‘organic’ intelligence will be a thin sliver of time compared to the far longer post-human era dominated by ‘machines’. This suggests that, if SETI succeeded, the most likely source of any artificial emissions would be unlikely to come from anything resembling the ‘organic’ civilization that prevails on Earth.


Extraterrestrial life and intelligence have always been fascinating topics on the speculative fringe of science. But in the last decade or two, serious advances on several fronts have generated wider interest in these subjects – indeed, they have become almost ‘mainstream’. One can highlight four areas where there’s a gratifying crescendo of interest and understanding:


(i) The discovery and study of exoplanets began only 20 years ago. It is now one of the most vibrant frontiers of science. Data are accumulating at an accelerating rate; we can confidently assert that there are billions of Earth-like planets in our Galaxy; it is not premature to seek evidence that some have biospheres


(ii) There has been substantial recent progress in understanding the origin of life. It’s been clear for decades that the transition from complex chemistry to the first entities that could be described as ‘living’ poses one of the crucial problems in the whole of science. But until recently, people shied away from it, regarding it as neither timely nor tractable. In contrast, numerous distinguished scientists are now committed to this challenge.


(iii) Advances in computational power and robotics have led to growing interest in the possibility that ‘artificial intelligence’ (AI) could in the coming decades achieve (and exceed) human capabilities over a wider range of conceptual and physical tasks. This has stimulated discussions of the nature of consciousness (is it an ‘emergent’ property or something more special?), and further speculation by ethicists and philosophers on what forms of inorganic intelligence might be created by us – or might already exist in the cosmos – and how humans might relate to them.


(iv) In the coming years there will be expanded and better-resourced efforts to search for ET; these will focus wider interest on the subject and thereby generate new ideas.

The Search for Extraterrestrial Life and Post-Biological Intelligence | SETI Institute
 

Black Angus

Honorable
If this were an episode of Mythbusters, the ETH would get an honest plausible.

Do we know life exists ? Yes it exists here.

Is it a rare fluke here ? No it finds a foothold in every possible environmental niche include harsh ones Extremophile - Wikipedia

An extremophile (from Latin extremus meaning "extreme" and Greek philiā (φιλία) meaning "love") is an organism that thrives in physically or geochemically extreme conditions that are detrimental to most life on Earth.[1][2] In contrast, organisms that live in more moderate environments may be termed mesophiles or neutrophiles.
Is the planet itself a fluke ? No its a model repeated so many times in the universe the number is almost meaningless. Planets orbit stars by the gazillions squared a trillion times.

Indeed as our telescope technology improves the trend for Life supporting planets is trending upwards not downwards.

60 Billion Alien Planets Could Support Life, Study Suggests

Do we visit and explore other planets ? Yes to the very best of our ever improving technology. Many of our best minds insist not only that we should, but that we must do so.

Why Should We Colonize Other Planets?
Stephen Hawking has a chilling message about the survival of humanity

Is this likely to be a universal imperative ? It seems like it might be.

The ETH isn't confirmed, Its a strong plausible. But Busted ? Only if you can ignore the many factors favorable to it. Imo its a stronger leap of faith to say its busted than it is to say its plausible.

The classical definition or interpretation of probability is identified[1] with the works of Jacob Bernoulli and Pierre-Simon Laplace. As stated in Laplace's Théorie analytique des probabilités,

The probability of an event is the ratio of the number of cases favorable to it, to the number of all cases possible when nothing leads us to expect that any one of these cases should occur more than any other, which renders them, for us, equally possible

Simply put the more populated the universe is with life, the more likely the ETH becomes.

Its true we haven't found life yet, but again the laws of probability favour a universe teeming with life.

The Laws of Probability Tell Us That the Universe Should Be Teeming With Intelligent Life Forms

A Nearby Earth-Size Planet May Have Conditions for Life

‘Earth-like’ planets three times more than thought

And that doesn't even include the post biological aspect, which doesn't necessarily require "earth type" planets.
 

humanoidlord

ce3 researcher
I think at this point we're all well aware of your default position on everything paranormal, humanoidlord:

"If it supports the case for extraterrestrial visitation by advanced civilizations, then it's a PsyOp / conspiracy. But if it supports the unintelligible "extradimensional ultraterrestrial" interpretation, then it's the absolute truth beyond question."

No need to go around repeating it in every thread across this entire forum: we get it. Most of us prefer to see actual evidence to support the kinds of allegations you're making. Previous hoaxes by completely unrelated individuals is not evidence, it's confirmation bias.
i don't believe in the military says about UFOs
 

nivek

As Above So Below
Lue Elizondo hasn't talked about crash retrievals yet, but Dr. Eric Davis recently did, on his latest interview with Coast to Coast AM hosted by George Knapp. He said that we had scientists trying to back-engineer recovered craft, but that program was shuttered in 1989 since our science wasn't yet advanced enough to make heads or tails of it at that point.

Here's some interesting notes posted on Reddit...

Notes on Eric Davis's June 24th appearance on Coast to Coast AM

I listened to the interview again and took some notes. Hopefully this will help get correct information out there, as I'm already seeing skeptics bashing TTSA for believing in "ultra-terrestrials" when it's just one popular hypothesis in UFOlogy, and absolutely not a scientific conclusion anyone has reached.

Part 1

  • "Skeptics just won't take yes for an answer." Davis explains that these are actually the words of John Alexander.

  • John Alexander gave Davis his first job at NIDS, working for Bigelow.

  • The authoritative statement of the Pentagon is that it's sharing information about the AAVs in order to get outside help. This is a paradigm shift.

  • He refers to the 1947 Roswell crash and says the two official reports (balloon and crash test dummies) were false. He confirms there was a cover up of a UFO crash.

  • Hundreds of tic tac incidents were reported on the West Coast, East Coast, and in the Middle East. They have "interfered" with naval operations as well as some Air Force operations.

  • When asked about his social media outbursts and what his team might think: "They know I'm straight and narrow, but I don't put up with bullshit!"

  • He says the UFO program is not designed to hide a secret space weapons program. The US already used fake UFOs in an intelligence operation against a "major foreign adversary," but they were dressed up helicopters. [Later, responding to a caller's question; "this hasn't happened since the 60s" (as far as he knows)]

  • Again, there is no conspiracy to make everyone believe that secret US weapons platforms are actually UFOs. "They're not ours!"

  • Congress has been paying attention to this, but he can't say anything else.

  • There are communication problems within the DoD, and it's mostly due to chance that the truth is now coming out. There have been instances where decision makers who had the authority to release the truth to the public had no legal way of even learning about the information. In some cases, people became privy to information through administrative mistakes, like assistants giving away information accidentally, or going through files while someone's on leave. (Davis was interrupted before he could expand further on this)
BREAK

  • AATIP was the program nickname (unclassified). AAWSAP was the official name. The two names aren't classified, but the program is.

  • One segment of the program was to do UFO field investigations.

  • Another segment involved looking into all relevant disciplines and producing papers on 38 selected topics to explain the state of the art in each one.

  • Examples of topics studied:
    • Smart Materials

    • Metamaterials

    • Antigravity

    • Warp Drives and Wormholes

    • Negative vacuum energy

    • Breakthrough propulsion

    • "The Medical Aspect" (not his area)

    • Advanced nuclear fusion for aerospace propulsion and power (Puthoff recruited colleagues at Lockheed Martin for this)

    • Another alternative nuclear fusion technique

    • Warp drives using energy derived from extra spatial dimensions.

    • Human-machine interfaces where the pilot has to use telepathy to control the aircraft.
  • The mission was to "extrapolate these topics to the year 2050 to see if we can possibly imagine that our science and engineering can reach a point to where we are at least able to reach the threshold of performance of the tic tac UFOs or UFOs in general."

  • The papers were stamped both FOUO and unclassified, which is a contradiction, since FOUO is the lowest classified level. 2 of the 38 papers are classified. All of the documents are on a system where they are available to people with classified access.

  • The "Threat" in AATIP refers to the fact that the UFO phenomenon has interfered with operations. The phenomenon was officially branded a threat, and the threat had to be studied.

  • About the Condon report: Condon contradicted the findings of the committee by saying that UFOs were not a threat, at the request of the Air Force.

  • The official assessment is now that the tic tacs are a threat. The goal of the program was to figure out how we might be able to get to a point where we might be able to do something about them.

  • There was discussion of weaponry as well. Davis did not go into specifics, but mentioned he investigated future/exotic weapons while working for the Air Force before AATIP.

  • When asked about the "big questions," he explained that finding out what these things are was within the scope of the program, but the program was not able to answer that question. "We know what they are not: They are not made by humans. It's impossible." "They are not made here, but we don't know where they come from."

  • Hal Puthoff has a hypothesis, the ultra-terrestrial hypothesis, that these could be a group of evolved hominins that split off from the main human civilization. They could be the basis for the legend of Atlantis for all we know.

  • He reminds us that this is just a hypothesis, like the ETH (extraterrestrial hypothesis) and IDH (interdimensional hypothesis).

  • ETH and IDH would both be much easier to ascertain if we could communicate with these beings, rather than observing them at a distance.

  • Funding for the program to "go to phase 2" didn't go through, and the AATIP continued from internal funding only. When you run out of congressional appropriation money, you're limited to military personnel, intelligence analysts and field investigators. It wasn't possible to bring in external contractors anymore. Some people had to find time out of their day job to work on AATIP.

  • There was a collaboration between Earthtech, BAASS and an aerospace company like "Raytheon, Northrop Grumman, Lockheed Martin" to try and figure out some of the answers.

  • When asked where the program would be now if funding hadn't stopped, Davis said work could have been initiated on civilian-acquired samples like molten slag that was observed leaking onto the ground from an object during a close encounter. He described some materials investigated by Jacques Vallée, such as angel hair. He says the samples were acquired by Project Blue Book investigators.

  • Crash retrieval program: It's still there. We would have gotten access to it. It would have exponentially increased our knowledge base, since we don't have a tic tac. This would have accelerated our ability to develop the knowledge we needed and figure out what weapons they have, if any. He alludes to incidents from Jacques Vallée's books and the Colares incident in Brazil where people were hit by beams.
Part 2

  • The Nimitz tic tac is a legitimate UFO/AAV. It's advanced technology. It's under intelligent control. We don't know where they come from. We don't know who's operating them. We have to do something about them because they've interfered with deployments.

  • Davis was not part of the team that interviewed Air Force pilots, but there were reports of triangles, rectangular craft, spears, something egg-shaped. Only the Navy pilots used the terminology "tic tac."

  • A retired VP of Lockheed saw a UFO that looked like a modified tic tac that "came almost to a point on one end" and had "an unusual light pattern." This person was aware of all UAVs developed by the US, Russia, China, Iran, North Korea, other allies and non-allied countries, but what he saw was completely different from anything he'd ever seen.

  • UFOs come in different configurations. Tic tacs or egg shapes are one configuration. Cigars are also another.

  • At the end of Davis's tenure at NIDS, he and Jacques Vallée analyzed all the data gathered by NIDS as well as older data gathered up until the 70s, and produced a paper in 2003. They found patterns that showed different layers of the phenomenon. There is a physical component (depressions in the ground, materials or slag falling out). There is an anti-physical component (UFOs were seen going through mountains; Puthoff has "his own super-version of the General Relativity theory that can explain that"). There's also a topological inversion effect, where a craft might be 10 feet across on the outside but 40 feet wide once you climb abord (as reported by abductees). Another layer is physiological and psychological effects, as seen in victims in the Colares incident. (Interrupted for the break)
BREAK

  • Davis is not an officer of TTSA but an informal technical advisor for now. His role will however become more apparent later as TTSA's programs start and begins funding "laboratory studies."

  • TTSA has nothing to do with BAASS or NIDS. Tom Delonge is a younger version of Bob Bigelow.

  • There will be programs and scientific studies and Davis will play some kind of a role in that (e.g. he was promised a job).

  • Going back to the previous topic, another layer is psychic phenomena. The next one is cultural impact, but the psychic layer is the most problematic. Psychic phenomena are considered fringe and the scientific community won't touch it.

  • The poltergeist phenomenon is always, always attached to the UFO phenomenon. Investigators who were looking into the UFO phenomenon back in the 60s and 70s didn't even consider that angle; they threw away any evidence of it because it didn't fit the model they expected (ETs from another planet). Unfortunately, that's not the truth. Any time you have UFOs, you have poltergeist phenomena associated.

  • This is something Davis experienced when he went home from his field trips at Skinwalker Ranch. He brought the poltergeist phenomena home.

  • Officers who went to investigate phenomena, as well investigators working alongside him, also brought home poltergeist phenomena home with them. It is a part of the psychic facet of the UFO phenomenon.

  • Telepathy may be a major component of the way "UFOnauts" pilot the AAVs.

  • Telepathy might entail altered states of consciousness and manipulations of reality.

  • Those are the exotic things that scare physicists and UFOlogists. The data collected at the ranch shows that poltergeist/psychic phenomena is a key characteristic of the UFO phenomenon. You cannot study UFOs and not run into poltergeist activity.

  • We're hoping to get Congress to restore funding to these studies.

  • The issue with poltergeists and psychic phenomena is they'll scare away the toughest military officers. Even people who have been in scary combat situations are scared of this and refuse to touch it.
Answers to caller questions

  • The crash retrieval program was shuttered in 1989 but it's currently in hibernation, meaning everything is still out there, it's just a matter of getting it reopened. In order to do that, we need to convince the decision makers that it would be worth reopening, if we can show that our current science has caught up sufficiently to yield results.

  • When asked about whether there is "something to analyze" in that vault: "If you're going to throw your bet on Roswell, your bet's really good." There's also Del Rio, TX (1955). The other ones can't be brought up because they are still classified, and findings haven't been revealed or published, to Davis's knowledge.

  • We have crash retrievals and they've been analyzed, but our understanding of physics, etc., wasn't advanced enough to make sense of the technology. The responsible agency therefore pulled the plug.

  • Regarding the tic tac encounter: The pilots saw "something" very large and circular under the water, but that's as much data as we have on that.

  • The F-18 weapons lock radar is very different from the radars on the ships in the carrier group. The tic tac was able to make itself invisible specifically from the plane's on-board equipment. Davis did not recall if the tic tacs were reported to disappear visually when observed with the naked eye, but he seemed to recall instances where they theorized that a metamaterial cloak was at play. The tic tacs would go invisible on radar but not on FLIR.

  • (Note regarding the above two points: Davis seems to be sticking very closely to Fravor's story so far, including the notion that the large round undersea object was not seen, but was known to be there.)

  • Davis avoided answering the question of whether "once you see one, you tend to see more afterwards." Like Kevin Day, it's something he seems unable to talk about for now.
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Standingstones

Celestial
Does it ever bother anyone that people like Tom Delonge, Dr. Hal Puthoff, Jacques Vallee, Luis Elizondo, Col. John Alexander and George Knapp either get paid by, work for, or are beholden to Robert Bigelow? It seems too much like an incestous relationship to me.
 

spacecase0

earth human
Does it ever bother anyone that people like Tom Delonge, Dr. Hal Puthoff, Jacques Vallee, Luis Elizondo, Col. John Alexander and George Knapp either get paid by, work for, or are beholden to Robert Bigelow? It seems too much like an incestous relationship to me.
I remember art bell and the information I learned listening,
it was pretty clear that something changed a few weeks after art bell retired.
the information got "light and fluffy"
I kept up with the show out of pure boredom for years after.
I never looked into who was being payed by who,
but it was very clear that a big change had happened.
and it is clear that sometimes there is still a good show on here or there,
just rare now.
 

humanoidlord

ce3 researcher
Here's some interesting notes posted on Reddit...

Notes on Eric Davis's June 24th appearance on Coast to Coast AM

I listened to the interview again and took some notes. Hopefully this will help get correct information out there, as I'm already seeing skeptics bashing TTSA for believing in "ultra-terrestrials" when it's just one popular hypothesis in UFOlogy, and absolutely not a scientific conclusion anyone has reached.

Part 1




    • "Skeptics just won't take yes for an answer." Davis explains that these are actually the words of John Alexander.
    • John Alexander gave Davis his first job at NIDS, working for Bigelow.
    • The authoritative statement of the Pentagon is that it's sharing information about the AAVs in order to get outside help. This is a paradigm shift.
    • He refers to the 1947 Roswell crash and says the two official reports (balloon and crash test dummies) were false. He confirms there was a cover up of a UFO crash.
    • Hundreds of tic tac incidents were reported on the West Coast, East Coast, and in the Middle East. They have "interfered" with naval operations as well as some Air Force operations.
    • When asked about his social media outbursts and what his team might think: "They know I'm straight and narrow, but I don't put up with bullshit!"
    • He says the UFO program is not designed to hide a secret space weapons program. The US already used fake UFOs in an intelligence operation against a "major foreign adversary," but they were dressed up helicopters. [Later, responding to a caller's question; "this hasn't happened since the 60s" (as far as he knows)]
    • Again, there is no conspiracy to make everyone believe that secret US weapons platforms are actually UFOs. "They're not ours!"
    • Congress has been paying attention to this, but he can't say anything else.
    • There are communication problems within the DoD, and it's mostly due to chance that the truth is now coming out. There have been instances where decision makers who had the authority to release the truth to the public had no legal way of even learning about the information. In some cases, people became privy to information through administrative mistakes, like assistants giving away information accidentally, or going through files while someone's on leave. (Davis was interrupted before he could expand further on this)
BREAK




    • AATIP was the program nickname (unclassified). AAWSAP was the official name. The two names aren't classified, but the program is.
    • One segment of the program was to do UFO field investigations.
    • Another segment involved looking into all relevant disciplines and producing papers on 38 selected topics to explain the state of the art in each one.
    • Examples of topics studied:
      • Smart Materials

      • Metamaterials

      • Antigravity

      • Warp Drives and Wormholes

      • Negative vacuum energy

      • Breakthrough propulsion

      • "The Medical Aspect" (not his area)

      • Advanced nuclear fusion for aerospace propulsion and power (Puthoff recruited colleagues at Lockheed Martin for this)

      • Another alternative nuclear fusion technique

      • Warp drives using energy derived from extra spatial dimensions.

      • Human-machine interfaces where the pilot has to use telepathy to control the aircraft.
    • The mission was to "extrapolate these topics to the year 2050 to see if we can possibly imagine that our science and engineering can reach a point to where we are at least able to reach the threshold of performance of the tic tac UFOs or UFOs in general."
    • The papers were stamped both FOUO and unclassified, which is a contradiction, since FOUO is the lowest classified level. 2 of the 38 papers are classified. All of the documents are on a system where they are available to people with classified access.
    • The "Threat" in AATIP refers to the fact that the UFO phenomenon has interfered with operations. The phenomenon was officially branded a threat, and the threat had to be studied.
    • About the Condon report: Condon contradicted the findings of the committee by saying that UFOs were not a threat, at the request of the Air Force.
    • The official assessment is now that the tic tacs are a threat. The goal of the program was to figure out how we might be able to get to a point where we might be able to do something about them.
    • There was discussion of weaponry as well. Davis did not go into specifics, but mentioned he investigated future/exotic weapons while working for the Air Force before AATIP.
    • When asked about the "big questions," he explained that finding out what these things are was within the scope of the program, but the program was not able to answer that question. "We know what they are not: They are not made by humans. It's impossible." "They are not made here, but we don't know where they come from."
    • Hal Puthoff has a hypothesis, the ultra-terrestrial hypothesis, that these could be a group of evolved hominins that split off from the main human civilization. They could be the basis for the legend of Atlantis for all we know.
    • He reminds us that this is just a hypothesis, like the ETH (extraterrestrial hypothesis) and IDH (interdimensional hypothesis).
    • ETH and IDH would both be much easier to ascertain if we could communicate with these beings, rather than observing them at a distance.
    • Funding for the program to "go to phase 2" didn't go through, and the AATIP continued from internal funding only. When you run out of congressional appropriation money, you're limited to military personnel, intelligence analysts and field investigators. It wasn't possible to bring in external contractors anymore. Some people had to find time out of their day job to work on AATIP.
    • There was a collaboration between Earthtech, BAASS and an aerospace company like "Raytheon, Northrop Grumman, Lockheed Martin" to try and figure out some of the answers.
    • When asked where the program would be now if funding hadn't stopped, Davis said work could have been initiated on civilian-acquired samples like molten slag that was observed leaking onto the ground from an object during a close encounter. He described some materials investigated by Jacques Vallée, such as angel hair. He says the samples were acquired by Project Blue Book investigators.
    • Crash retrieval program: It's still there. We would have gotten access to it. It would have exponentially increased our knowledge base, since we don't have a tic tac. This would have accelerated our ability to develop the knowledge we needed and figure out what weapons they have, if any. He alludes to incidents from Jacques Vallée's books and the Colares incident in Brazil where people were hit by beams.
Part 2




    • The Nimitz tic tac is a legitimate UFO/AAV. It's advanced technology. It's under intelligent control. We don't know where they come from. We don't know who's operating them. We have to do something about them because they've interfered with deployments.
    • Davis was not part of the team that interviewed Air Force pilots, but there were reports of triangles, rectangular craft, spears, something egg-shaped. Only the Navy pilots used the terminology "tic tac."
    • A retired VP of Lockheed saw a UFO that looked like a modified tic tac that "came almost to a point on one end" and had "an unusual light pattern." This person was aware of all UAVs developed by the US, Russia, China, Iran, North Korea, other allies and non-allied countries, but what he saw was completely different from anything he'd ever seen.
    • UFOs come in different configurations. Tic tacs or egg shapes are one configuration. Cigars are also another.
    • At the end of Davis's tenure at NIDS, he and Jacques Vallée analyzed all the data gathered by NIDS as well as older data gathered up until the 70s, and produced a paper in 2003. They found patterns that showed different layers of the phenomenon. There is a physical component (depressions in the ground, materials or slag falling out). There is an anti-physical component (UFOs were seen going through mountains; Puthoff has "his own super-version of the General Relativity theory that can explain that"). There's also a topological inversion effect, where a craft might be 10 feet across on the outside but 40 feet wide once you climb abord (as reported by abductees). Another layer is physiological and psychological effects, as seen in victims in the Colares incident. (Interrupted for the break)
BREAK




    • Davis is not an officer of TTSA but an informal technical advisor for now. His role will however become more apparent later as TTSA's programs start and begins funding "laboratory studies."
    • TTSA has nothing to do with BAASS or NIDS. Tom Delonge is a younger version of Bob Bigelow.
    • There will be programs and scientific studies and Davis will play some kind of a role in that (e.g. he was promised a job).
    • Going back to the previous topic, another layer is psychic phenomena. The next one is cultural impact, but the psychic layer is the most problematic. Psychic phenomena are considered fringe and the scientific community won't touch it.
    • The poltergeist phenomenon is always, always attached to the UFO phenomenon. Investigators who were looking into the UFO phenomenon back in the 60s and 70s didn't even consider that angle; they threw away any evidence of it because it didn't fit the model they expected (ETs from another planet). Unfortunately, that's not the truth. Any time you have UFOs, you have poltergeist phenomena associated.
    • This is something Davis experienced when he went home from his field trips at Skinwalker Ranch. He brought the poltergeist phenomena home.
    • Officers who went to investigate phenomena, as well investigators working alongside him, also brought home poltergeist phenomena home with them. It is a part of the psychic facet of the UFO phenomenon.
    • Telepathy may be a major component of the way "UFOnauts" pilot the AAVs.
    • Telepathy might entail altered states of consciousness and manipulations of reality.
    • Those are the exotic things that scare physicists and UFOlogists. The data collected at the ranch shows that poltergeist/psychic phenomena is a key characteristic of the UFO phenomenon. You cannot study UFOs and not run into poltergeist activity.
    • We're hoping to get Congress to restore funding to these studies.
    • The issue with poltergeists and psychic phenomena is they'll scare away the toughest military officers. Even people who have been in scary combat situations are scared of this and refuse to touch it.
Answers to caller questions




    • The crash retrieval program was shuttered in 1989 but it's currently in hibernation, meaning everything is still out there, it's just a matter of getting it reopened. In order to do that, we need to convince the decision makers that it would be worth reopening, if we can show that our current science has caught up sufficiently to yield results.
    • When asked about whether there is "something to analyze" in that vault: "If you're going to throw your bet on Roswell, your bet's really good." There's also Del Rio, TX (1955). The other ones can't be brought up because they are still classified, and findings haven't been revealed or published, to Davis's knowledge.
    • We have crash retrievals and they've been analyzed, but our understanding of physics, etc., wasn't advanced enough to make sense of the technology. The responsible agency therefore pulled the plug.
    • Regarding the tic tac encounter: The pilots saw "something" very large and circular under the water, but that's as much data as we have on that.
    • The F-18 weapons lock radar is very different from the radars on the ships in the carrier group. The tic tac was able to make itself invisible specifically from the plane's on-board equipment. Davis did not recall if the tic tacs were reported to disappear visually when observed with the naked eye, but he seemed to recall instances where they theorized that a metamaterial cloak was at play. The tic tacs would go invisible on radar but not on FLIR.
    • (Note regarding the above two points: Davis seems to be sticking very closely to Fravor's story so far, including the notion that the large round undersea object was not seen, but was known to be there.)
    • Davis avoided answering the question of whether "once you see one, you tend to see more afterwards." Like Kevin Day, it's something he seems unable to talk about for now.
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i saw that post, may the man who wrote that be blessed
now i don't need to hear a hour long interview!
 

humanoidlord

ce3 researcher
Does it ever bother anyone that people like Tom Delonge, Dr. Hal Puthoff, Jacques Vallee, Luis Elizondo, Col. John Alexander and George Knapp either get paid by, work for, or are beholden to Robert Bigelow? It seems too much like an incestous relationship to me.
i still believe that it would be better bigelow being the leader than a mr. nobody band man
 
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