Alien Abductions Question

Discussion in 'Alien Hub' started by wwkirk, Oct 5, 2018.

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What is you opinion concerning alien abductions?

  1. There have been a large number of physical alien abductions over the years.

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  2. There have been a few physical alien abductions.

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  3. There have been alien abductions, but they are psychic, not physical.

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  4. Most if not all abductions are done by military and/or intelligence operatives.

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  5. The alien abduction phenomenon can be explained by sleep paralysis.

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  6. The alien abduction phenomenon is a mixture of imagination and false memory.

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  1. Abaris

    Abaris Novice

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    I think that they're real, but not in the sense of space aliens taking humans for experiments or collecting our sperm/ova for use in their hybridization program. The influence might be physically real, but the visuals are mostly psychic (as in Karla Turner's books) or they might be something altogether stranger, connected to IDH and/or our subconsciousness (John Mack).

    Also, here's some food for your thought from a culture that wasn't that much exposed to the outside influence: in soviet/russian ufology (if you can call it "*logy" - it was mostly just gathering of the stories with no further investigation or pseudoscientific investigations using "biolocation" -i.e. dowsing) there were no "abduction scenario" and no grey alien archetype till the 90s when the floodgates of information were open. Most stories resemble USA contactee stories of the 1950s, where people are usually invited onboard rather than taken against their will. There's much more investigative tone to the visitors though in contrast to the benevolent brothers/teachers of the contactees. And the beings look human (including but not limited blond-haired "nordics"), human-looking robots or just robots (as in the one of the 2 cases famous outside of the USSR - Voronezh UFO). There are some stories that include reproduction or mating themes, but they are not the majority. I don't know what that means - maybe, as Jaque Vallee notes in one of his book, the phenomenon reflects local cultural frames of reference, or maybe different regions are really owned by different entities :) - black-haired dwarves (ihkals) of south america come to mind which are not present elsewhere.

    For what it's worth, my wife had a dream (which is documented in her dream diary about 7 years ago) about small beings (not greys, just faceless little people) doing something to her on a table, and her later giving a birth to a tiny faceless baby. This was 5 years before I started taking greater interest in American ufology and learning about the themes in abduction literature (actually that's how it came up: she remembered this dream after I retolled her the main concepts of Hopkins/Jacobs' books - and we later found it in the diary). For me, this just further proves that the phenomenon is more psychic/non-physical, but Hopkins/Jacobs proponents would probably call it a screen-memory.
     
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  2. Shadowprophet

    Shadowprophet N=R^.fp.ne.f1.fi.fc.L

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    Welcome to the forums By the way.
     
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  3. nivek

    nivek As Above So Below

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    Was there ever a tall one, dark complexion wore a gown or cape and covered it's body, long arms, large head, and heavy breathing?...

    Another type too, a bit shorter but also in a gown or cape covering it's body, long neck and beak, made clicking sounds, telepathic?...

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  4. michael59

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    I'm not very good at picturing other peoples descriptions of things in my mind. I know what you mean about the cape/gown. It reminds me of a choir robe and a lot of them wear them. I do recall clicking sounds and most are telepathic or at least have that capability. The only heavy breathing I can recall was from that Big Foot creature. Large heads are in abundance as well, but I don't recall ever seeing one with a beak.

    Are you any good at drawing? I'm terrible at it but, if you could post a facsimile I could probably be more helpful.
     
  5. bill.zen

    bill.zen I want to believe

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    I voted for intelligence operatives doing many of the abductions. Honestly, I don’t have any evidence that this is the case but I have a strong hunch this may be the reason. What better way than for intelligence operatives to cover up their doings by claiming that a person may be unstable by saying alien abduction if the victim comes forward. Especially considering the current climate on such claims.

    I’ve heard several abductees make this claim. Although I don’t have the links at me fingertips, I’ll have to do some digging.

    I’m not discounting all abduction claims. I’m just saying this may account for a number of them.
     
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  6. Abaris

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    There's an excellent book on this subject that I've been meaning to read for awhile. Unfortunately, it's rather expensive.

    I think it's undeniable that some of the adbuctions are military/mkultra-like activities, but I doubt it's the sole reason for the phenomena, especially since the accounts date back to biblical times.
     
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  7. bill.zen

    bill.zen I want to believe

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    Absolutely, and I agree with you. The uninformed tend to think that alien abduction is a relatively modern phenomenon. But when you dig deeper you find scores of cases from ancient times. The Bible itself is an excellent source of abduction cases.
     
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  8. michael59

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    Before my first abduction at the age of four, I can recall when I was even younger, maybe 3 years old? I would wake up because I could hear this high pitched humming noise. There would be this pin light, red in color like a laser beam that would slowly move down the wall in our bedroom. Then something dark and furry would appear at the end of the mattress and just sit there. My brother, who is a year older, shared the bed with me. There was another brother in the room but, he was younger and was sleeping in a crib. I was scared of my mom and my brother was definitely her favorite so, when it happened, I elbowed my brother awake and he screamed for my mom.

    When she entered the room and turned on the light, there was nothing there. She was convinced that it was the cat and that our yelling scared it away before she got there. We knew it was not the cat. I can remember that happening about three times over the course of a month.

    I asked him if he remembered that when we were in our early 40's. All he would say was, "There was something there, Michael and it wasn't the cat." The way he said it made me crack up laughing. His voice became really deep and his face got a really serious look on it. I don't think he remembered that I was the one who elbowed him awake. lol But, that's all he would say. He refused to talk about it any further I think he was offended by my laughter. I don't think we were taken at that time.

    That was in 1962. My mom was only 23 years old and my father abandoned us shortly after the youngest was born. We lived on welfare and to top it off my mom was an alcoholic and a smoker so you can guess where most of the money was spent. The world was pretty harsh for single mothers in the 60's and we never had rent money so we moved around a lot. I mean a lot! They were usually late night moves so that the landlord didn't catch us for non payment of rent.

    Everywhere we lived, weird stuff happened. I even remember the three of us kids having a discussion about it when I was around 9 years old. We thought we were haunted by ghosts. As a matter of fact, right up until my early 30's, it was still happening to me and I thought it was ghosts.

    Then one day I was sitting on the couch flipping threw a copy of Omni magazine. I started reading the article about Linda Cortile. There were a lot of witnesses to that abduction. The one that witness that completely changed my life forever was one of those people....

    She was a middle aged woman and she described the creatures she saw in the beam of light as looking like rickets strickened children. That was as far as I got....It triggered my memory and the memories just wouldn't stop coming until I was all the way back in that bedroom when I was 3 years old.
     
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  9. humanoidlord

    humanoidlord ce3 researcher

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    finnaly someone that thinks like me in this forum!
     

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