Alien adjustment of time

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  1. ChrisIB

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    The Multiverse puzzles me. First it was used in fiction, Michael Moorcock, depicting an eternal battle between the lords of chaos and law. The Queen of the swords is still one of my favs.

    Then confusingly, in physics, when Schrödinger said that when his equations seemed to describe several different histories, these were "not alternatives, but all really happen simultaneously".

    Perhaps it's me, but since quantum theory physicists seem to have started talking in riddles.
     
  2. Thomas R. Morrison

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    Schrödinger said that? I thought Hugh Everett was the first person to interpret the infinite set of phase space solutions to the Schrödinger wavefunction literally.

    A lot of people seem to be under the mistaken impression that "the weirdest explanation must be the truth." But that's irrational. Empirical evidence directs the path of scientific progress, not fanciful whims that make for fun sci-fi stories.
     
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  3. Shadowprophet

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    I tried Understanding Schrodinger, The deeper I get into Quantum physics, The more I don't understand it. It's like a mountain that just gets steeper the longer you climb it. Still trying, But that mountain though :p
     
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  4. Thomas R. Morrison

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    If you get more confused the longer you study quantum theory, then the more progress you're making ;

    I don't want to drift too far off topic here, but there's a camp which says "quantum theory is complete and relativity must be modified to conform to it so we can arrive at a grand unified theory," and there's a camp which says "quantum theory is incomplete and it must be modified to conform to relativity so we can arrive at a grand unified theory," and then there's a much smaller camp which says "quantum field theory and relativity are both incomplete, and both must be modified before we can arrive at a unified field theory." I'm in that last, most unpopular camp. We know much less than we think we know, and hubris is and always has been our greatest impediment to deeper understanding.
     
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    ^^This!...I grow increasingly weary of hearing uofs/uaps called "the phenomenon" meaning some all seeing trickster Loki intelligence is behind it all...Come on people, what's next, disregarding sound medical treatments and advice in favour of witch doctors and voodoo?...Of course there are mysteries which seem to defy explanation but that doesn't mean we abandon sound reason and rational in an attempt to explain something...Apologies, don't want to run this thread off topic, but this statement really hits the bullseye across a few topics...

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  6. Shadowprophet

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    The problem is, There are empirical fields of research and then there is people who are just fascinated with mystery and the bizarre. We can try to separate the two and it's highly recommended, But then there will always be that group of people who want to talk about the shapeshifting lizard people from smashing pumpkin videos. and I kid you not, That's a real movement that has followers. I tend to humor people more than scorn them, But I do understand the need to separate legitimate study from rambling insanity. It's perplexing. The urge to not want to exclude anyone, but the need to keep proper research separated from boogie man stories.
     
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  7. Kchoo

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    We had a calico kitty that would sit on the vanity and turn and admire herself in the mirror.

    She knew it was herself and not another cat. She looked very pleased with herself.

    It was so funny to watch. There were days where she would sit and stare at her own reflection, stretching her neck one way then the other repeatedly for half an hour or more.

    I have seen other cats fascinated with mirrors, but this one was most definately self aware.

    I don’t think she went into a time warp though... if she did, it was only caused by her own vanity.
     
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  8. pepe

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    Had to look up what a FAT table is. Yeah totally agree, is all about access. Brain starts dying in our twenties I think, very early on and hardly in tune with our ever increasing longevity. Could be that in a few thousand years there will be an almost zombie like nation and we were the lucky ones, just.

    I don't think time as any more than a construct of the mind, segmenting existence into manageable chunks, reference for recall. Raw scan mode, that's good, yeah 250mph top end is I think our limit when it seems like a reaction rather than a process.

    Time and light to me feel as one. Constant and linear from one point heading in every direction. Probably old school that but hay ho.

    Such a strange subject, all encompassing yet hidden from our reality as if by design. Or it isn't real and is just our minds that perceive a pattern as fabric because we have to believe we have a way out or an alternative.

    Those guys who know the telephone directory by page number and line are probably hugely lacking in another department to have such a gift.

    Seasonal humbug greetings and many happy tax returns of the year pigfarmer, since it is the season.
     
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    Humbug I say Texas with seasonal fleetings and a sense of things being deep, crisp and even.

    A dot, a coloured one has to be on the mirror. With the animal positioned so the dot can be seen by the creature as having the dot on itself, it has to either show interest in that part upon its body or whip out another dot and affix it next to the first while shouting full house.

    Your cat, as nice as it seems is seeing another cat but knows it as a none threat. If your little friend passes the dot test, either way, you will be a very rich man in a very short space of time.

    Bingo wings are flapping.
     
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    Apologies Kchoo I only now see you were talking in a past tense.

    Cat heaven, I bet if real, would be a pretty comfy place.
     
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  11. Kchoo

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    Indeed, I like to think they are still going at it in another place.

    She and her half sister brought me much joy, playing chase with each other and eating bugs in the back yard.

    Her sister went first, hit by a car, she lived to 12, and the next made it to 14.

    Can’t complain at all. :)
     
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  12. pepe

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    Self awareness, being proven as present in a none mamal tells me that our own awareness is way past the self. Thinking on those lines I feel that maybe self came before time as time is far more a complex subject. To this day we don't really get it.

    Nice thread by the way.
     
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    Sixty four and seventy two in our time. They are therapeutic creatures and I have lived with a few and only one was a psycho.
     
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  14. Kchoo

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    They do help pass the time... I wonder if there is More to that than just our own perception. Can happiness actually change time itself?
     
  15. ChrisIB

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    Yep, get you but think that overcomplicates it, self awareness gives a sense of time, and self awareness evolved, which it could not have unless time preceded it.

    In the future, perhaps our self awareness will evolve to being 'outside' of time, that is not just the parlour trick of being able to perceive time at different rates but looking down on it as a roll of film, aware of the fundamental granularity. When mathematics and language converge ..
     
  16. pigfarmer

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    'Time' is the construct we use to describe something that exists whether we're around to sense it' passage or not. A descriptor. If a tree falls in a forest I'm reasonably certain it makes a noise even if nothing's around to hear it. Thinking about that too long can put your head into a feedback loop ......

    Even when we're talking about our pets imagine their difference in perspective; we live much longer and have abilities to go places and do things that are beyond the comprehension of our furry loved ones. If we could talk to them about it - and filter out the endless stream of 'food food food food food play food sleep sleep sleep' - their sense of the passage of time would be very different from ours. Any while we're playing Dr.Doolittle go talk to an insect that only lives a couple of days about time. And then ask the little bug why the hell they can never fly back out through the same window they came in through. Too much to do and not enough time to do it, probably.

    I actually knew a savant. Calendar oriented. Remembers any birthday he ever hears, can accurately tell you what day of the week a date was on, how many days between dates, stuff like that. So in some fashion the capacity to store and quickly access a lot of material most of us couldn't is there but he pays for it in other ways and struggles with things we take for granted. Can't imagine what his sense of time must be like. Unfortunately he lacks the tools to describe it. I've asked and the best answer I get is that he 'just sees' the calendar and 'just knows' the answer.

    Weird when you encounter it. I used to see him regularly at the gym and for the longest time all my birthday cards were right on time. And now I don't. Dunno what ever happened to Bob but he's a sweet soul I hope he's OK.
     
  17. Kchoo

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    I sense my brain dying as I realize memories have become a blurry mix. I can’t tell what’s real vs what is imagined, and I can’t be certain my “real” memories are not mixed up with other Times and other memories.

    The exploration of such turns to fiction as I try to reminence with family who do not remember it the same. It becomes a challenge of who is right and who is wrong. Lol.

    Time also seems to speed up as the brain slows... and less importance is placed on memory as we try to enjoy the now, because increasingly that is all we can trust...
     
  18. Kchoo

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    Very cool. Where did you get this information?
     
  19. Kchoo

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    I think there is a place for science, and a place for fanciful whims, as long as they remain separate. :)

    Fiction is honest in that it is said to be only a whimsical story.

    Convincing people that science is truth and not just a whimsy can be difficult.

    Not too long ago, people would have been called heretics for suggesting the Earth was not the center of the universe.
     
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  20. SOUL-DRIFTER

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    Intuition....:Thumbsup:
     
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  21. Kchoo

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    There is a reason for that... it perpetuates into absurdity and fragments due to too many unknowns... it is an egocentric journey down a rabbit hole of endless possibility... it is fun, but it becomes only speculation as it quickly expounds far beyond what we can do in the moment.
     
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