Alien Reproduction Vehicle

Kchoo

At Peace.
Wow... the brain cells in this forum should produce enough synergy to design something really cool...
Nivek can build it in his garage..
He will probably need some test pilots... ... any volunteers?
 

Gambeir

Celestial
from your link.
“made out of a hard, heavy metal… filled with a mercury-like substance”

from the pdf that nivek posted
"Klein further stated that it was very possible to construct "flying saucers" for civilian air travel; that they could carry 30-40 passengers at a speed of 4,000 kilometers per hour. He added, however, that the tremendous amount of materiel necessary for their construction did not warrant their being built exclusively for civilian air travel."

so,
seems like there is a clue here.
at the very least it seems unless you need super fast transport, what they had was not better than standard airplanes

A description of a mercury like heavy metal like fluid substance is what took me to toying with the idea of superfluids as the main elements in a center core/colum, and I then conceived of this fluid as being either self forming in to ropes or spirals, and or were physically placed inside spiral coils, and so the whole idea was to mimic a cyclonic/tornado action which seemed
the most logical path to follow.

I tried to make sense of the physics which might theoretically explain why this description exists, but as of yet I cannot make much sense of the concept, however the fact that it doesn't seem to make sense is not a reason to assume there is no sense to it. Mercury is of course the winged element is it not?

Electricity passing through mercury vapor in a fluorescent lamp produces short-wave ultraviolet light which then causes the phosphor in the tube to fluoresce, creating visible light and of course it is electrically conductive.

The Magvid makes sense, and the crystalline based capacitors make sense, so it is possible that what else will make sense is yet to be understood, and might only become understood with a working model.

I'm going to have to re~compute this idea in light of another idea.
 
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Gambeir

Celestial
Tornado and Cyclonic Particle Charges

A tornado is composed of two sheaths. It has an outside upwards spiraling sheath which is composed of the static ground charge. It has an opposed downward spiraling sheath with an opposite charge to that of the upwards spiraling sheath. So two opposed sheaths, both rotating in opposition, both carrying opposite polarity.

The upwards skywards outer sheath is generally composed of a positive ions which are more powerful than the negative downwards spiraling charges, and because the positive charge is more energetic it pulls towards the negative charge and thus it creates a pinching effect. This pinching effect results in collisions of opposed molecules of varying charges and a townsend cascade avalanche is the result. This high speed cyclonic collision of molecules releases electrons that bind with the neutral/negative charged molecules and which then create more positive charged molecules, and which then add to the positive sheath's seeming anti~gravitational effects. Thus the upwards outer sheath is more energetic and more powerful than the inner sheath. This action is what creates the confined spiraling vortex as the outer spiraling sheath is pulling itself inwards as it cycles, and the pinched base is a result of both an increasing depletion of negative and neutrally charged ions combining with a final grounding at the base where the column of the tornado touches the ground.

Thus we see the shape of the tornado is defined by the energetic activities/dynamics involved.

Everyone knows that the center of a tornado/hurricane/cyclone is called the eye of the storm and is relatively calm to dead calm. Any debate about whether or not there are two sheaths to these systems is illogical in consideration of the experience reported by eye witness, and where the calm center must then be a condition where the upward skywards bound spiraling cyclonic winds must be isolated by and inner sheath, and as this interior is calm then logic stands to reason that the downwards spiraling column grounds to the earth so that it forms a static wall straight down in to the earth and completing a circuit.

The dynamics of these charged vortex's is even more interesting in light of reports, very rare as I only know of one, where similar spinning tubes carrying high static charges, in this case it's a plastic wrap (saran wrap), and being pulled onto huge tubes from manufacturing lead to the strange result of a electrostatic force field which could not be penetrated by a human being.

David Swenson's electrostatic "invisible wall" (1996)
 
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Gambeir

Celestial
Now if we look at a magnetic field, whatever it is, there are parallels to consider in regards to the way a tornado/cyclone appears to work, and so my thinking was that if one could condense a magnetic field (by some unusal means) that it might then be possible to create an magnetic vortex which not only repelled itself from the field of earth, but also acted upon the space from which magnetism originates and thereby transport or pull itself upon.

Not sure this is going to make sense to too many people, but the gist of it is that the magnetic field originates out of something unknown. Perhaps time itself since it is so closely associated with distortions in time, but that the magnetic field has two parts each moving against one another, one inside the other, and all very tornado/cyclonic like.
 

nivek

As Above So Below
Does this image have an association to something relevant?...The image comes with the name Çetin BAL...I looked that name up, there's a lot of stuff with that name, I don't know anything about that source?...

sevksistemleri.PNG
 

Gambeir

Celestial
Does this image have an association to something relevant?...The image comes with the name Çetin BAL...I looked that name up, there's a lot of stuff with that name, I don't know anything about that source?...

View attachment 2515

Yes, and there is a great deal of useful information and ideas archived at that specific site. It's a Turkish website featuring one of the largest and best depositories for UFO related material. Unless you can read Turkish you're going to have use a machine translation, which is limited in it's usefulness, but I think that doing so may show some validations of the ideas which have been arrived at regarding how an ARV type vehicle may have operated.

In my opinion the ARV is not an Alien Reproduction Vehicle. It may have derived some of the principles from recovered artifacts, that is the curious may have deduced enough clues to then look round at earthly materials and science enough to forge out a man made antigravity machine, but I'm being extremely generous in that area.

There is nothing in the ARV which could not have been deduced and or created prior to WWII if not as early as the 1920's. This means that we simply have to understand what the principles are in order to replicate the effect. We may have succeeded in doing that right now between the understanding of piezoelectric capacitors and the Magvid. What it will take is money and time and for someone with both that and skill to re~create what we have so far put together in order to see what effects result out of those two.

UFOTechnology2

George Adamski, to whom this saucer is credited, has been officially tagged as a so called con man. Wikipedia has officially labeled him as a con man. However, I believe Adamski's book "Inside the flying saucers" was one of two books that were required reading by personnel claimed to have been involved in ARV type machine programs.

Not too sure I'd be labeling Adamski as just a simple con man, though a con man he may have been, but the material he put forward is not without value and probably not done so accidentally either. Adamski may have himself been a common scammer, an plausible idea, and he probably had a handler whom he believed was a useful tool, but whom was actually feeding him information in order to put out what they knew. This mode of operation appears to have been repeatedly used up to the present time. So my conclusion is that there those whom seek out useful tools, such as someone like Adamski, in order to make public inside information.

The problem with saucer technology is the vast complexity of ideas.
*Google Chrome will automatically translate from Turkish if you have or use it.
Kuantum Fizigi - © Cetin BAL - GSM:+90 05366063183 -Turkiye/Denizli

The reason I chose to examine the McCandlish Illustration was that it provided the closest thing to a working blueprint which was done by a technical expert, Mark McCandlish is a technical illustrator and highly knowledgeable with many contacts whom also advise him. So on that basis then that drawing is the best one I know of, and which also illustrates what I believe is a likely a first or second generation machine of local manufacture: Boeing/Lockheed/McDonnell?

I have now been examining this specific illustration for a few years and I believe the fundamental principles were conceived during war, possibly by German Scientists, but if that was the case then it's also likely the ideas may also have been under study elsewhere and very likely in the US itself if that was the case. It's rare when in war one side gains a distinct advantage without the other side having any inkling at all what the enemy is working on, such is the state of espionage in corporate cooperative war making.

Many people do believe the officially stories and after the fall of the Soviet Union the "Officially Approved" version of reality was bolstered once more following Kissingers' advice to never miss an opportunity and this time supposedly coming out of the secret KGB files as explained by the officially approved propaganda of the Washington Post. Like Oh yes, and if you believe that an organization like the KGB simply threw the doors open for people in overalls to wander through whilst farting and burping, then you will believe anything for even before the end of the First Global War the German Obercommando was preparing a long term multi~generational plan for success and so why would anyone think the Soviets were less competent when it's questionable whom taught whom about espionage and multi~generational planning? So here then is a deeply convincing example of official propaganda on the death of Adolf Hitler: Something Joseph Stalin himself never believed.

The Death of Hitler
The Full Story with New Evidence from Secret Russian Archives

By Ada Petrova and Peter Watson
WashingtonPost.com: The Death of Hitler: The Full Story with New Evidence from Secret Russian Archives

So then the ARV is a machine which works off known principles and theoretical ideas known at least since the 1940 if not much earlier. In truth I really can see nothing in it that could not have been created as early as the 1920's, which may explain a few things when taken in that light.

So when I look at the information which I can understand from the machine translation from TOUS LES OVNIS what I see are some bits which validate capacitors, then there's the obvious parts in the illustration which present a ruff outline of the shape and interior, and then there is a description of magnetic fields and of a mechanically driven portion which supposedly magnifies a gravitational effect.

The ARV does not have these iconic three half round sphere's beneath it like virtually all the early UFO's seem to have. In the Adamski illustration these are shown as containing capacitors. If mechanically driven then it seems to make sense as the evident idea appears to me to be a form of mechanically driven tornado like vortex very much like the one I described in the fundamental ideas of how a tornado forms.

It looks to me like there is an interior base of capacitors as per the ARV, but that there are also these half ball items commonly misidentified as landing gear, but which in the Adamski drawing are shown as capacitors. So either they rotate around the inner capacitor plate or the the inner capacitor rotates, or both rotate. This would seem logical to me based on the idea the capacitors are creating and throwing off discharges of polarity charged ions. So in effect then what I'm seeing is a man made tornado. Now add the Magvid to this arrangement.

So the question then becomes is this arrangement also doing something more? The fundamental form of operation seems to mimic a magnetic field, and so it is possible/likely that much more happens when a certain level of energy is reached. So here then we have the possibility of superluminal transport if this is the case.
 
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Gambeir

Celestial
Spacecase0, thought I'd post this FYI.
Remains of Mark Oliphant's 500 MJ Homopolar Generator in Canberra
File:Mark Oliphant Canberra Homopolar Generator.JPG - Wikimedia Commons
Mark_Oliphant_Canberra_Homopolar_Generator.JPG

Mark_Oliphant


Practically everything involved with the ARV and many other topics on this site have links which can be traced back to a select group of individuals. This is one of those people: Mark Oliphant, and for those paying attention there's more to the name than meets the eye.

Mark Oliphant - Wikipedia
Tritium - Wikipedia
 
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humanoidlord

ce3 researcher
Tornado and Cyclonic Particle Charges

A tornado is composed of two sheaths. It has an outside upwards spiraling sheath which is composed of the static ground charge. It has an opposed downward spiraling sheath with an opposite charge to that of the upwards spiraling sheath. So two opposed sheaths, both rotating in opposition, both carrying opposite polarity.

The upwards skywards outer sheath is generally composed of a positive ions which are more powerful than the negative downwards spiraling charges, and because the positive charge is more energetic it pulls towards the negative charge and thus it creates a pinching effect. This pinching effect results in collisions of opposed molecules of varying charges and a townsend cascade avalanche is the result. This high speed cyclonic collision of molecules releases electrons that bind with the neutral/negative charged molecules and which then create more positive charged molecules, and which then add to the positive sheath's seeming anti~gravitational effects. Thus the upwards outer sheath is more energetic and more powerful than the inner sheath. This action is what creates the confined spiraling vortex as the outer spiraling sheath is pulling itself inwards as it cycles, and the pinched base is a result of both an increasing depletion of negative and neutrally charged ions combining with a final grounding at the base where the column of the tornado touches the ground.

Thus we see the shape of the tornado is defined by the energetic activities/dynamics involved.

Everyone knows that the center of a tornado/hurricane/cyclone is called the eye of the storm and is relatively calm to dead calm. Any debate about whether or not there are two sheaths to these systems is illogical in consideration of the experience reported by eye witness, and where the calm center must then be a condition where the upward skywards bound spiraling cyclonic winds must be isolated by and inner sheath, and as this interior is calm then logic stands to reason that the downwards spiraling column grounds to the earth so that it forms a static wall straight down in to the earth and completing a circuit.

The dynamics of these charged vortex's is even more interesting in light of reports, very rare as I only know of one, where similar spinning tubes carrying high static charges, in this case it's a plastic wrap (saran wrap), and being pulled onto huge tubes from manufacturing lead to the strange result of a electrostatic force field which could not be penetrated by a human being.

David Swenson's electrostatic "invisible wall" (1996)
hey nice theory! i think i finnaly agree with you on something science related, also i think its nice you mentioned the 3M eletric forcefield incident
 

Gambeir

Celestial
So one of the next questions presenting itself is what produces a magnetic field? Indeed, what exactly is the magnetic field if it seems to be everywhere and yet again nowhere?

The air around us is composed ion's, which are molecules, and these molecules are charge carrying atoms. Atoms which make up a molecule are thought to be either positive, neutral, or negative. If the combination is short electrons it's said to be a positive charged ion, while the opposite is of course a negative charged ion.
https://www.shmoop.com/atoms-molecules-ions/terms.htm

Now we know the magnetic field can be formed by two known ways: One, any time a charged particle such as a molecule moves it can create a magnetic field if a suitable conductor is present. Conversely, anytime a magnetic field moves it too can create an electric charge in the presence of a suitable conductor. Two, we know that when the crystalline lattice of molecules of ferromagnetic materials are aligned that they will produce a magnetic field.

Convention tells you that a conductor is something like say a piece of copper wire, but conductors can be many things not typically thought of as being conductive, such as salt water, noble gases, and polarized light. To understand, or explain away the magnetic field, present science has formed a theory of spin-polarized electrons, which they are calling spin~polarized electron conduction. This idea is now known as "Spintronics." In a nut shell Spintronic's says that a material is magnetic when most of its electrons have the same spin."

The gist of this idea is that an off~set spin state creates a magnetic moment. In other words, their theory is when atoms have an imbalance they can create a magnetic field by creating a so~called magnetic moment; evidently this idea of a magnetic moment is one of association taken from the idea of inertial moment of a moving object.


As an example how this is being applied here's a patent explaining a new method for generating spin-polarized conduction electrons in a semiconductor device.
US6482729B2 - Method of generating spin-polarized conduction electron and semiconductor device - Google Patents

Here's Wikipedia's explanation for spin polarization
Spin polarization - Wikipedia
 
Spacecase0, thought I'd post this FYI.
Remains of Mark Oliphant's 500 MJ Homopolar Generator in Canberra
File:Mark Oliphant Canberra Homopolar Generator.JPG - Wikimedia Commons
Mark_Oliphant_Canberra_Homopolar_Generator.JPG

Mark_Oliphant


Practically everything involved with the ARV and many other topics on this site have links which can be traced back to a select group of individuals. This is one of those people: Mark Oliphant, and for those paying attention there's more to the name than meets the eye.

Mark Oliphant - Wikipedia
Tritium - Wikipedia

A homopolar generator generates very low voltages at very high amperage, which is quite the opposite of what McCandlish claims. If the disc under the ejection seats is a homopolar generator of sorts, how would they generate high voltages for the gravitator?

Personally I don't think there's any homopolar generator in the ARV. The disk is just a (non-rotating : - ) floor
 

spacecase0

earth human
A homopolar generator generates very low voltages at very high amperage, which is quite the opposite of what McCandlish claims. If the disc under the ejection seats is a homopolar generator of sorts, how would they generate high voltages for the gravitator?

Personally I don't think there's any homopolar generator in the ARV. The disk is just a (non-rotating : - ) floor
for there to be a homopolar generator in the ARV, then it most likely runs as follows:
high voltage is generated and distributed in a spinning fashion from the center core area,
this spinning high voltage in the crystal capacitors makes a magnetic field.
this magnetic field is not physically connected to what made it.
so it then uses a huge magnetic field that is physically connected to the craft to push off of to make it float.
the homopolar generator makes the low voltage high current needed for that huge electro magnetic around the outside top of the craft.

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so the base idea would be that a moving electrostatic field makes a magnetic field that is not connected to the electrostatic generation, and somehow mainstream physics just never noticed.
I am trying to build a test to verify this idea. but the first try did not work as planned. I tried to test 2 ideas at once... so I am going back and testing one at a time.
 
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spacecase0

earth human
so I designed out magnetic coils to test the MAGVID idea.
to match my amplifiers, and be able to fit inside of it, this thing is going to be about 13 foot across,
now I am wondering how I am going to make a framework to hold the magnetic coils.
thought about building a yurt and attaching the coils to the walls...
but that is sort of out of my price range, so, any ideas ?
or should I build a small version I can't fit into as a first test ?
any votes as to what they would like to see built first ?
 

Gambeir

Celestial
A homopolar generator generates very low voltages at very high amperage, which is quite the opposite of what McCandlish claims. If the disc under the ejection seats is a homopolar generator of sorts, how would they generate high voltages for the gravitator?

Personally I don't think there's any homopolar generator in the ARV. The disk is just a (non-rotating : - ) floor

Feel free to correct me ya know. Like if I reverse something or whatever. Now I have no idea about a homopolar, mainly because I just don't know enough about everything, but that's one huge ass homo..ah polar..they got laying around, and the thing here is the man who was connected to it's construction. There's more to this generator story somewhere.

I just thought it was quite the image because obviously that thing is huge. Personally I'm not hung up on the specifics of the McCandlish Illustration. I thought it was good starting point. Sort of like seeing a primitive sketch of what an airplane looks like, and with some vague explanations of what it's made of, but without ever having actually seen one nor any idea how or what makes it lift of the ground. Much like people around 1910 must have looked on with wonder.

Point is I think we are just beginning to get some of the gist of what wings are made from, at least the bamboo and canvas ones, and then possibly an inkling of how it's controlled and what it might be able to do.
 

nivek

As Above So Below
Here's a simple homopolar motor, using copper wire, a battery, and magnets creating a direct current electric motor with two magnetic poles generating equal or constant electrical polarity...

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so I designed out magnetic coils to test the MAGVID idea.
to match my amplifiers, and be able to fit inside of it, this thing is going to be about 13 foot across,
now I am wondering how I am going to make a framework to hold the magnetic coils.
thought about building a yurt and attaching the coils to the walls...
but that is sort of out of my price range, so, any ideas ?
or should I build a small version I can't fit into as a first test ?
any votes as to what they would like to see built first ?

I guess you'd have to keep the same proportions (central column v.s. MAGVID coils) the ARV has, only scaled down.
Maybe 3-4 ft diameter in all.
 

spacecase0

earth human
I re read the PDF,
seems like that central DC powered coil has more to do with the field size than the size of the AC powered coils.
kind of want to use permanent magnets for the central DC coil, but clearly that is a tad harder to shut off when you want to shut down the device. and they might get demagnetized by the spinning field.
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I also don't see the point to using 4 coils,
seems like 2 coils at 90 degrees (would look like an "X" when viewed from the top) would make the same field.
 

spacecase0

earth human
by the way, this spin field that the MAGVID is suppose to make is also made by this odd coil that is all over this website,
www.1stopenergies.com
but seems to me that they miss the vortex recirculation part, so they are not accumulating energy like the MAGVID should.
 

spacecase0

earth human
have been thinking lately,
if the MAGVID does what is claimed,
direct to product manufacturing could be very very unsafe.
how many anti humans are out there ?
would one of them makes a virus back that would kill many people ?
so, if I get it to work, I am wondering who I would tell how to do it,
seems like a very bad idea to just post that sort of thing to the web.
but then again that is how I got the information (from someone else putting it out there)
so I have mixed ideas as to
the more I think about it, the more I get why they try to hide this technology
 

Gambeir

Celestial
have been thinking lately,
if the MAGVID does what is claimed,
direct to product manufacturing could be very very unsafe.
how many anti humans are out there ?
would one of them makes a virus back that would kill many people ?
so, if I get it to work, I am wondering who I would tell how to do it,
seems like a very bad idea to just post that sort of thing to the web.
but then again that is how I got the information (from someone else putting it out there)
so I have mixed ideas as to
the more I think about it, the more I get why they try to hide this technology

Well the really dangerous anti~humans are here on earth, either running corporations, or working for those that are, and while pretending to run our so~called governments.

At some point humans have to figure it out Spacecase0. They either figure it out or they go extinct, but they certainly do go extinct if they aren't allowed to be what Universe intended them to be, and so you can't worry about what others will do, only what you will do. Regardless of what one thinks, eventually people will put the information together, so the only thing you can do is facilitate or impede. We already got enough impeding if you ask me.

The powers that be fear this because it makes everyone equal. The same reason they also fear guns. God made man, but Sam Colt made them equal, and so now we don't have to take their ____ any more. Maybe someone will create a literal time bomb and send a few choice self elected corporate and political royals on a round the Universe Lost in Space Trip. Suits me fine. Maybe there's some Ant Like People out in Universe that need to be ruled and whome want to ruled and abused. Again, think of it as facilitating and helping like minded people connect with like minded aliens. :)

Seriously though, what specifically is it that you're seeing as potentially dangerous?
 
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