Alien Reproduction Vehicle

Discussion in 'Alternative Technologies & Energetics' started by Gambeir, Jan 14, 2018.

  1. spacecase0

    spacecase0 earth human

    Messages:
    997
    what do you mean by that ?
    are you saying that humans do not have that sort of energy field ?
     
  2. Gambeir

    Gambeir Celestial

    Messages:
    1,025
    I have a sense that the Mathias Magvid Device, or as it shall henceforth be officially called by name as the MMD,
    well so anyways the MMD is probably playing a critical role is my current sense of the issue. All parts seem to be critical in their own way depending on the use. Vacuum polarization of the crystalline capacitors is probably not the sole source of levitation. The effects have not been large enough to as of yet to confirm they alone are capable of levitation.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  3. nivek

    nivek As Above So Below

    Messages:
    20,046
    I was thinking that technology designed such as this is, it may be difficult to point to one particular to say that does that and this does this but to the totality of each bit together making the craft function....
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  4. Mathias Båge

    Mathias Båge Adept

    Messages:
    70
    We only have one small fjord in Sweden. Norway and Iceland have tons of them.
     
  5. Mathias Båge

    Mathias Båge Adept

    Messages:
    70
    I just don't understand how the capacitors could create the virtual bar magnet required for the electron vortex formation.
     
  6. humanoidlord

    humanoidlord ce3 researcher

    Messages:
    4,327
    yep, also i call all paranormal beings humanoids (long story)
    as for humans, the enrgy is contained inside the body, no field
     
  7. humanoidlord

    humanoidlord ce3 researcher

    Messages:
    4,327
    i was thinking of norway i think, theres a thread about this case somewhere here
     
  8. spacecase0

    spacecase0 earth human

    Messages:
    997
    a moving magnetic field can create an electric field,
    a moving electric field can create a magnetic field.
    and not saying that it is the way it is set up, just that it is a possibility
     
  9. spacecase0

    spacecase0 earth human

    Messages:
    997
    so,
    I decided to map out the field I was making,
    so connected 2 magnetic coils to my oscilloscope and went looking
    when I was at the middle of a coil the field was the strongest, was weakest between 2 coils (1/2 to 1/3 of the strongest point)
    the phase angle changed as I moved them around the circle, but changes slow in the middle of each coil and quite fast where the coils met.
    so,
    this is clearly not simulating a bar magnet spinning, or at least not doing it very well.
    seems like the coils need overlapped, either that, or another set of coils at 45 degrees to the first set and electrically driven with that offset.

    another way to smooth out the signal might to be to use a magnetic core material (I tried with a square box of iron oxide with no effect, but it is way smaller than the coils, so maybe it needs to be wound right on top of it ?)
     
    • Awesome Awesome x 1
  10. Mathias Båge

    Mathias Båge Adept

    Messages:
    70
    In the original "GroomLake`Colonel`Reveals'All" USENET posts by James Stephens (where the MAGVID is first described), there's no mention of a gravitator. Assuming that the gravitator might be used to (1) warp/deform the BTV/bubble for navigation and/or (2) for hovering when the craft is parked (as reported by the original ARV witness, Brad Sorenson). A gravitator — to have a good
    lifting capability — must use highly dense materials. T.T. Brown keeps underlining this in his papers. For capacitor plates, he suggests lead, and for the dielectric litharge (PbO) or tungsten carbide with suitable binders. Such a gravitator will be very heavy, but you don't need landing gears that would cause depressions in the soil.

    If we do away with the hover capability, we might do away with the gravitator too. Instead we could use those german hydraulically movable magnet plates to warp/deform the BTV/bubble for navigation. And some kind of foldable/extendable landing gears. John Searl reported that when his "firework" craft took off and disappeared forever, they took a piece of the soil underneath with them on the way. If you take off from a harder surface, maybe this soil snatching won't happen.

    Today I realized that the three small lights on each tip of the TR-3B triangle craft might be MAGVID's that are much smaller than the main one in the center of the craft. You could hover the craft with these small MAGVID's and be able to embark/disembark the craft in the center without being fried.

    I think the inside of any craft that employs a MAGVID is harmful for living organisms if you stay in it for long. Occupants risk physical harm by the rotating virtual bar magnet inside the craft. James Stephens also says:
    This might explain why so many witness' state that flying saucer occupants often wear metallic clothing.
     
    Last edited: May 31, 2018
    • Like Like x 1
    • Awesome Awesome x 1
  11. Mathias Båge

    Mathias Båge Adept

    Messages:
    70
    Seems like more than four coils might be the way to go. How many function generators do you have?
     
    • Thanks Thanks x 1
  12. spacecase0

    spacecase0 earth human

    Messages:
    997
    2 of them that can be linked together, so that gives me 4 channels out.
    (and if running radio frequencies I can use a coax cable delay and get all the outputs I want.)
    also now wondering, if tesla settled on 3 phase for the AC motors, then why not try that ?
    but I guess when you get leaked data, test what they said first, try other ideas next.
     
    • Thanks Thanks x 1
  13. Mathias Båge

    Mathias Båge Adept

    Messages:
    70
    The leaked data says four, but I see no reason not to use more than that, e.g. three-phase with 6 coils.
    Then you have enough function generators too.
     
    • Like Like x 1
    • Thanks Thanks x 1
  14. spacecase0

    spacecase0 earth human

    Messages:
    997
    I reread the information a few times and went through the equations till it all made clear sense. (I don't really like math, but can do it)
    you need the speed of light for your rotation just beyond your coils if you expect it to be like some sort of ship. wherever the speed of light limit is hit, that is the outer edge of your field. so you could do it with the coils totally outside the light speed limit so that the field would be totally contained inside.
    and I also see no reason why you can't do it with 2 coils set inside each other at 90 degrees
    but what this really means is that the signal generators are not going to do me any good.
    we are clearly in the frequency range of the radio transmitters.
    so coax cable delay will work just fine for the 90 degrees required.
    a square coil one turn one wavelength antenna would put the light speed limit right at the coils, and that seems like a bad place for that to be. so making them rectangle shape will allow to shift that limit just inside or outside the hardware making the field depending on what side you orientate them
    and pretty sure the polarity should be vertical for them. (because you are tying to push the electrons magnetically)
    so it should not be harder than any antenna build project. just 2 one wave loop antennas 90 degree phased connect in parallel to get the impedance correct for a 50 ohm transmitter, and mounted inside each other. (the DC coil in the middle is a bit extra, but not hard)
    and I am very curious how it will work as a communications antenna.

    it also got me thinking of alternate methods to make this happen,
    another way to accelerate electrons magnetically is to use a special solenoid coil, I can't find pictures on the web, but the use it to pump plasma magnetically. here is the description.
    remember ribbon cable ?, it would be wound with the same format as lets say a 6 conductor ribbon cable laying flat on the cylinder and not overlapping, so, on one end all 6 connections are grounded, one the other end you connect the wires to a 6 phase AC power supply. (not sure if this works well with 4 phase and 4 wires)
    so take that solenoid coil and wrap it into a toroid shape,
    then put your DC magnetic field through the middle of the toroid.
    it would do the same thing.
    then I remembered this is basically what cern has set up as a collider.
    so, no wonder some spiritual people are flipping out at what cern is doing.
     
    Last edited: May 31, 2018
    • Like Like x 1
    • Thanks Thanks x 1
  15. Mathias Båge

    Mathias Båge Adept

    Messages:
    70
    @spacecase0: today I found what you wrote in Energetic Forum post #313 about the capacitor plates maybe generating the virtual bar magnet:
    and now I understand what you mean. Must mull over this a little while ...

    @Gambeir: I also found you (in EF post #316) mentioning Wilbert Smith's Quadrature Concept. The MAGVID uses a quadrature oscillator (sine + cosine) to drive the coils, if you have four of them, that is. Hmm... time to re-read The New Science. Probably 20 years ago since I read it.
     
    • Like Like x 3
  16. humanoidlord

    humanoidlord ce3 researcher

    Messages:
    4,327
    • Like Like x 1
    • Awesome Awesome x 1
  17. spacecase0

    spacecase0 earth human

    Messages:
    997
    have been thinking,
    that DC magnetic field of the MAGVID
    do you want to be inside of the coil, as in the large outer coil in the ARV,
    or do you want to be outside of the coil, as in the central core of the ARV,
    the field reminds me of a cyclotron, it just seems like an open air version of it.
    the cyclotron uses an electric field, and sets the size of the circle of the particles by the frequency, magnitude, and the DC magnetic value. they all have to be set correct for it to work.
    the MAGVID seems to not matter what the DC field is as long is it is strong enough, well, it does set how fast the "electrons" orbit out to the edge
    but the more I think about it, the orbiting field might end up making a magnetic field of its own,
    so I wonder if you get the DC polarity wrong, will there be a low energy limit to the thing ? that makes sense from a standard physics view, but just not sure that applies here, but it likely does.
    if that is the case, then you likely want a very large center coil ? transitions in polarity seems like they might not be a great plan near you.
    just trying to set it up to work and not fry someone at the same time.

    edit:
    also wanted to point out that 13.56 MHz would be a pretty good frequency to run it on, it is about the correct size for a ship, and no one listens to that frequency.
     
    Last edited: Jun 3, 2018
    • Like Like x 1
  18. Thomas R. Morrison

    Thomas R. Morrison Administrator

    Messages:
    1,179
    I haven't read all 18 pages of this thread, but in case this hasn't been discussed yet, I wanted to mention this here.

    The heart of Mark McCandlish's device appears to be the "gravitator" patented by T. Townsend Brown at the young age of 22. Frankly I've always been intrigued with this device, and I'd love to see someone replicate it and run some experiments with it. This device is very different from the ion wind devices that he experimented with later, and which got so much public attention.

    I think that if one were looking for a way to polarize the quantum vacuum, then a device utilizing powerful electrical fields would be a good place to start, and that's precisely what his gravitator device is all about. I even have a tentative working hypothesis about how such a device might operate, but really it all comes down to an experimental test, which would be fairly easy to perform.

    That's what I find missing from so many of these discussions about various approaches to a gravitational field propulsion system: a simple and definitive proof-of-principle test. If some device can demonstrate even a millinewton of directional force (without interacting with objects in its immediate environment), then we're in business. Because it's a whole lot easier to amplify a small but proven effect, than it is to discover it in the first place.

    I'm attaching a copy of the patent for anyone who's interested in having a look at it, and the intriguing claims therein.

    And I should probably mention the only other promising avenue of investigation that I've seen discussed: the recent claims by Tom DeLonge and Luis Elizondo and Hal Puthoff, regarding a thin layered photonic metamaterial that's associated with the Pentagon's AATIP. DeLonge claimed on the Joe Rogan show that this sample of unknown origin was composed of atomically aligned metals, bismuth and magnesium, with nonterrestrial isotopic ratios, which lost some mass under activation with THz radiation.

    I briefly researched the stress-energy tensor of photonic metamaterials and learned that if their microstructure is properly aligned (ideally in a triangular rather than a square configuration) such materials can exhibit a tension (negative pressure) under photon stimulation at specific high frequencies. This component of the stress-energy tensor, which researchers attribute to internal electrostriction and magnetostriction effects, translates into a negative term in the Einstein field equation. So if such a material can be engineered to amplify this effect sufficiently, it could be possible to detectably reduce its mass within a laboratory environment by stimulating it with THz radiation. I find it fascinating that modern, credible academic physics appears to provide a viable explanation and perhaps affirmation of Tom DeLonge's astonishing claims. In fact he Tweeted a few months ago that TTSA intends to replicate the material they examined, to demonstrate the mass reduction effect for the public.

    I'm rooting for them; it could be the big break that we've been looking for to get a gravitational field propulsion system off the ground. And if that happens, I think we'll see a global technological revolution that will make the Renaissance look like a dress rehearsal.
     
    • Like Like x 2
    • Awesome Awesome x 1
  19. spacecase0

    spacecase0 earth human

    Messages:
    997
    I tested the TT brown effect before,
    every time I started getting any large force from the effect , the dielectric would break down
    the effect happens only in the first bit of time when you charge it,
    so the next thing I was going to try is to pulse the electricity fast enough so that any ions did not have time to ark over. had just never gotten to build the hardware to do that. it was just to pricey to build so I thought it was out of my range and needed to look for another method.
    in the middle of taking that break looking for another way, I read "the new science" by wilbert smith
    the pure logic of it struck me as likely correct, so I tried to test the ideas there and see if I could prove the base effect that made the TT brown effect to work
    it is painfully slow to build hardware, been working on that for a few years now...
    next thing I am going to build is a big vandegraph generator
    did not build one before because I knew that steady DC voltage would not work for the electric levitation.
    no idea why I did not think about building a high voltage rotary switch to go with it, or at least not before now
    low voltage (20KV or so) solid state hardware was just not doing it well enough to get anywhere
    now if just trying to float and not worry about how it works, the expanded crystal thing seems like a great idea to try ( www.fractalfield.com/propulsion/ImplosionGroupCrystalPropulsion.pdf ) but if this is tested and verified by others like they say it is, why do it again when I could focus at the science that predicts how it works ? edit: same is true for free energy, the Steele Braden Generator is a solution that has been verified by others, but not convinced that reproducing it yet again will help much, but clearly a higher power version would be great if we knew how to design it (I keep looking for high power electrically variable capacitor, will order some regular low power ones next time I web order electronics parts to see if a solid state version works, they are a diode that you reverse voltage, but forgot what they are called, usually used for tuning radio frequencies)

    so, I guess I feel a bit lost at the moment, not like I am ruled by feelings, but I know if I don't focus, I will not get anything done at all. and I have done to much in the direction of pointless distraction, sure don't want to do that again. I am sure open to ideas of ideas to test. (and I may have already done them before as I have been at this for a while now)
     
    Last edited: Jun 4, 2018
    • Like Like x 2
    • Awesome Awesome x 1
  20. Gambeir

    Gambeir Celestial

    Messages:
    1,025
    Welcome Aboard Morrison. Thanks for the additional information as well. I recommend this article. I believe the author attempted to join the forum where I had previously been discussing this topic.
    Flying Triangles And The Black Holes On My Fridge

    FYI: Some time back I began a thread on Energetic Forums,
    An Inquiry in to the Alien Reproduction Vehicle - Energetic Forum

    I was not able to get any response from the Admin of that site and had people asking me to help them get admitted, some of whom I believe hold extremely rare and valuable information and which they were attempting to pass on. It is my hope they will find their way here.

    As a result of this frustration and knowing Nivek had reformed a survivors group from the sunken Alien Hub Forum I moved the discussion here.

    Alien Hub Disaster.png
     
    • Like Like x 3

Share This Page