Alien Reproduction Vehicle

Discussion in 'Alternative Technologies & Energetics' started by Gambeir, Jan 14, 2018.

  1. Mathias Båge

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    I've also wondered about those statements about electrons in the MAGVID text (the USENET posts "GroomLake`Colonel`Reveals'All" by James Stephens), but clarifications from James Stephens is probably totally impossible to get.

    John Searl claims that it is the neodymium that somehow "generates" electrons that are accelerated outwards by the action of the rollers around the plates, but Roschin & Godin as well as Paul Murad and his team has built crude SEG replicas without neodymium, and both teams have reported weight loss in their prototypes.

    A physics literate friend and myself have discussed the MAGVID this evening, and he thinks that Ramsauer-Townsend cascades plays a big role here. Also the term "bunching" or "bunch" in relation to magnetic & electric fields is something he talked about at length. He wants to understand how things work before building. My take is the opposite ;-)

    I will continue my discussions with my friend on this subject ("where do the electrons come from?"), because he's also interested in flying saucer propulsion (he has read Paul Hill).
     
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  2. Gambeir

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    Thanks, it is not my intention to slam Nick by any means.

    I'm suspicious of the entire ancient aliens meme to begin with. Verifying reports from the past is very difficult. We take too much on the surface for granted. Take for example adding a UFO to a painting, and which is something which could have been done long ago and then brought to our attention later, and that is one form which given a so called masterpiece of art we cannot test and which is protected behind glass with armed guards.

    How are we to verify that the UFO image was always there? Then we have Google continually scrubbing, replacing key words by substituting pop culture icons on the basis of popularity, which though half of them are unknown just happen to take the first 20 pages of search results, and so information is being hidden and or destroyed altogether.

    As for the dictionary business, the story is still probably out there somewhere but it's not half as easy to find as it once was. A guy on a private forum brought this out a number of years ago. I happen to have a small collection of dictionaries, one from 1936 that weighs about 15 pounds and is almost a foot thick, and so I went and checked at the local library and sure as hell the story was real! All the replaced dictionaries have a mark on the cover, a diamond I think I recall but not sure right off hand, and so they can be visually identified, probably for purposes of assuring the copies had replaced the original. Now most dictionaries aren't checked out and so that means someone specifically went in and swapped them! All just to add a definition to the meaning Ground Zero.

    Ground Zero was specifically defined as the point beneath an atomic bomb. It now has additional meanings. Now that doesn't sound like much but the whole idea that this was considered that significant to warrant this kind of minute re~defining of meaning shows the levels that have been taken to control what people think or can source for information.

    So anyways, my point is that yes there's these stories now arriving that suddenly we find; oh no, the triangles go way back? Well hell, I'm 62 years old and I've never seen one, in fact the only and first time I ever saw any triangular shaped space ship was when Star Wars hit the movie theaters. I'm suspicious of the sudden arrival of the supposed old stories involving Triangular ships. Course I'm hardly a big time UFO buff so maybe I'm wrong and just over reacting to this.

    I agree with you btw, consider me maybe too skeptical for my own good in this case.
     
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  3. Gambeir

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    Thanks, I'm afraid I too share the build and see what happens curse. I'm going to be focusing in on this with the assumption that the free electrons appear, magically or rationally, so as to get past my present incapacity to see further along with the general ideas.
     
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  4. spacecase0

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    pretty sure that the electrons are stripped from all the atoms inside the field
    I think part of the issue with all the names and mess is that standard physics seems to have invented the electron, not sure it was a thing before that time.
    Caral frederick Krafft shows atoms as vortexes
    shows all the details very well. it is a fantastic version of mater. way better than quantum physics.
    it should clear up all your questions
    not sure any of his books are small enough to email, but they may still be out there on the web somewhere.
    if all else fails, I will physically mail you a USB drive with them.
    anyway, if you read his books, while keeping in mind the wilbert smith physics, it all makes very good sense in a coherent way that I bet is pretty close to what reality actually is
     
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  5. Gambeir

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    Thanks SpacecaseO, yes...should have read Krafft a long time ago. So lazy ya know. If only I was 20 or even 30 it would be more probable that I would care more. LoL~

    Let me toss this in just as FYI as well.
    This book predates another later version but I prefer this one from what I've read so far.
    Principles of Charged Particle Acceleration Stanley Humphries, Jr
    https://cdn.preterhuman.net/texts/science_and_technology/physics/Particle_Physics/Principles of Charged Particle Acceleration - S. Humphries.pdf

    A newer version may be requested on this page.
    Electric and magnetic field calculations with finite-element methods, tutorial, Field Precision LLC
     
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  6. Gambeir

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    And now for some entertainment? The US Navy's Teleportation Forces. Read This.

    http://www.beckwithelectric.com/ber/downloads/Beckwith-Electric-Carbon-12.pdf

    Could this actually be real?
    Looks like it is: Read This Next!
    Superconducting carbon 12 atomic strings and methods of manufacture of cables containing parallel strings United States Patent Application 20060100107
    Superconducting carbon 12 atomic strings and methods of manufacture of cables containing parallel strings - Beckwith, Robert W.
     
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  7. humanoidlord

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    so you believe in a random page on the interent written by a "whistleblower" but dont believes in the stuff right in your eyes?
     
  8. spacecase0

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    humanoidlord, the entire point to this thread is to explore what might be possible and see what new ideas can be found.
    if we were interested in standard physics, we would pick up a standard physics text book (I have already done that to the limits they offer)
    physics and archeology move forward one funeral at a time.
    literally the old people die and then the younger people can explore the new topics freely (meaning they have hope of any funding).
    we are trying to speed up the learning a bit from that snail pace.
    if you don't like exploring new ideas that are potentially wrong ideas, then why do you read this thread at all (much less try and get us to quit) ?
     
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  9. nivek

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    Well said and I agree, if someone does not appreciate nor personally like exploring ideas such as those put forth in this thread then I suggest not entering this thread... @humanoidlord

    ...
     
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  10. Gambeir

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    In fact the highly entertaining PDF, and which I stumbled upon quite accidentally, but while specifically following a trail involving cables and energy is supported by the patent, which near as I can tell is a real patent and which specifically links the story to the patent. Based on what I understand there is good reason to believe this is real technology.

    What we are doing here is trying to reverse engineer a part of an entire history of development of saucer technology, and what's at issue goes deeper in to the covert history of antigravity technology which is itself linked to American History and very likely to pivotal events in our history which some people do not want to ever be known, and this collection of individuals is the Georgetown Sect whom formed the American section of the Breakaway Civilization that Richard Dolan talks about.

    Nostradamus called this group "The Pagan Sect" G.A. Stewart has written extensively on this group.
    THE AGE OF DESOLATION

    There is a history which can be linked together, and for my money one of the stronger cases supporting a quasi~military corporate controlled Anti~gravity Saucer Project begins with Saucer designs which arose out of the Third Reich, and these were probably using a combination of various propulsion schemes, but somewhere's along the line a machine came in to being which leaves a calling card in it's wake.

    It's unclear right now whether or not this calling card is intentional or just a matter of it's design and the laws of physics and nature, but the calling card is a dense black smoke ring and these are reported right up to our present time all around the world.

    Driver snaps black smoke rings floating in the sky above the M9 motorway in Scotland -- Sott.net

    In September 1957, six “smoke ring” photos were taken by Private Stofko at Fort Belvoir. It's known that the 1127th Field Activities Group (FAG), was located at Fort Belvoir, Virginia, and was an Air Force special projects group connected with UFO investigations. They can be placed at that location in 1960 as a result of a declassified document entitled “History: HQ 1127th USAF Field Activities Group, Ft. Belvoir Virginia: 1 July–31 December 1960.” which was obtained by researcher William L. Moore in 1985. A 1961 document obtained by researcher Clifford E. Stone shows that the 4602nd Army Intelligence Special Services (AISS) was charged with the responsibility of recovering “space vehicles” as well as the investigation of UFO reports.

    It's an almost unknown fact that there were four photo's taken Rex Heflin in California in 1965, one of which is dense black smoke ring. http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.552.6587&rep=rep1&type=pdf

    Mysterious Smoke Rings or When is a Cloud not a Cloud?

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    Category: Smoke Ring

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    Is that a UFO? Mystery hovering black ring baffles beach goers

    Most significantly of all is the smoke ring over Dealey Plaza. Now you would think that something like this photograph would be among the first images in a google search on the topic of "Smoke Ring Dealey Plaza," but no, now it's almost impossible to find, and just forget about obtaining how this image to be found, that is if you can now find it at all. I still managed to find a couple laying round, but it's almost like someone doesn't want you to remember there ever was such a photo. How interesting then that all were focused on the Grassy Knoll but no one on the sky above.
    http://www.edmundburkeinstitute.ie/...s_ufo_dealey_plaza_1963_jfk_assassination.jpg

    Now of course a smoke ring, a large round dense black one, can be created with rather common items like say a 55 gallon barrel and some diesel fuel, and self proclaimed debunkers love to claim that's all these are. Never mind the misguided logic, especially when you find thousands of these images recorded around the world in unlikely places, but maybe it's a fad that's grown legs lasting 6o years or more.

    Another thing that's popular is to show one of these smoke rings over an explosion as is the case with this story which actually has a video at the link, but what I'd like to suggest is that the smoke ring causes the explosion, not the other way round, for what could instead be happening is a hit. After all, we are talking about criminal organization which has looted the treasury to make for itself a secret civilization and to set aside all technological advances so that eventually we all will be at their mercy.

    Black ring hovered above Nottingham industrial estate after propane unit exploded | Daily Mail Online
     
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  11. Mathias Båge

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  12. Gambeir

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    Thought I'd post this image. This is what I saw over my house in July of 2018

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  13. Mathias Båge

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    BLIMEY!
     
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    @spacecase0, today my physics literate friend gave me a tip: blow smoke in between the coils and
    see if it'll move.
     
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  15. spacecase0

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    I only made it to june of 2018 so far,
    how did you get to the future already ?
     
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  16. spacecase0

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    that is a good idea,
    smoke does not get messed up by high voltages like my G force meter does
     
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  17. Gambeir

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    I know huh? Well stop dinging around and get with the program ~Lol~
    I'm confused, not too sure about the 2018 part, how about instead we put the sighting at late July 2017. Is that more reasonable? I'm getting so old that something which happened a couple years ago now seems like it was a couple months ago. So now evidently I'm putting the past in to the future. Anyways..I know you've already heard me tell of this sighting before so I think it was July of 2017 unless it was actually 2016, but seems like it was only about a year ago.

    PS: I was also very surprised to read that sighting of this vehicle go back to the 1990's and now some are saying they go way further back. If that's the case then these cannot be Terrestrial, but they look to me just like something we would make, so I find that very hard to believe.
     
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  18. Gambeir

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    Yea, that's what I would have said if my mouth had worked. I only saw it for about 2 or 3 seconds. It was motionless, sitting about 600 feet up and just off to the South of my front door, almost right over the top of this giant pine tree. I couldn't see any fins, it's all black so it's hard to tell, but to me it looked exactly like this. It was quite pointed with a very tetrahedron shape just like this image. Of course I saw it from the bottom and obliquely but I'm quite sure this is the vehicle I saw.

    It was pointed towards the Joint Air Farce & Army Base, Fort Lewis McCord. When it took off you would have thought it vanished, but because I sit on a high point there's a somewhat clear view in the direction it was pointed, and so I was able to detect, maybe two partial frames in my minds eye of the vehicle as it headed in that direction. I ruffly calculated the speed in excess of Mach 40. That is, from a dead standstill to vanishing 20 miles away in about 1 second.

    Point is, it didn't de~materialize or anything like that, it simply accelerated at a fantastic speed. I saw a video of this same machine screwing around over Mt. Baldy in California. That video was posted to the old Alien Hub site, but the poster who took the video pulled it 3 days later. I asked him why and if he had been visited by men in black suits? His reply was that he must have seen swamp gas or a weather balloon. Draw your own conclusions.

    Now I know it's one thing to listen to a story like this, and then it's another to see a video, which is even better, but when you really see it with your own eyes, well that's an entirely different matter.

    Whoever controls this controls the world. It is that simple. This is way faster than any missile. The saucers I saw in Reno were only moving at about 150 mph, totally silent of course, but I observed none of this hyper speed business like I did with the triangle. Maybe they too can do this but I tend to think this is something else.

    BTW, I'm always looking up when I go outside and have for years, mainly I guess because I've always been looking for flying things, planes, helicopters, blimps, birds and so on. People really need to look over their heads. Just like the Reno sighting I had, there was no noise or anything which would have clued you in if you hadn't been looking to see it.

    Another thing, these move so fast that you cannot see them, your eyes cannot track something moving this fast. You could be standing somewhere and this could appear right over you and you'd be clueless.
     
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  19. Gambeir

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    Wouldn't there be a chance you'd get a plasma ball ~ Carbon arcing? That's how you create a plasmoid in a microwave is with a cig or match creating smoke/carbon which then ignites and forms a plasma ball.

    I know you know this already but just wondering. I wouldn't be blowing smoke from a cigarette in to it in case there is enough power to begin an arcing chain.
     
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  20. humanoidlord

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    reminds me of a obsidian spear tip
     

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