Aliens May Actually Be Billion-Year-Old Robots

Gambeir

Celestial
And I admire a person whose not afraid to admit to a little shortcomings in a area even though he doesn't know what the hell he's talking about. He knows more than I do, but i am curious about many things and to me is a wonderful "burden"

I do wonder any chance that HAN from the Paracast is on this forum?

The only short coming I admit to is biting someone who I mistook for a professional hired marketing gunman. If I thought it was otherwise I would be posting something quite different.

I have now been clued in now on who Angus is, and I hope he will continue. I understand this experience has jaded his point of view, but that was an unfortunate accident where his passion collided with my belief that the powers that be have hijacked his passion. It's not about me thinking he's entirely wrong: I don't think that.

We now have a number of new people from elsewhere and whom I want to make welcome and not offend, at least ways not immediately, let me lull you to sleep first. So I understand the situation now. I understand that Angus and others were grossly abused elsewhere and he deserves better and when I abuse you I want it hurt in a good way.

I don't agree with Angus, good lord I wouldn't want you to imagine that, not for one second would I deceive you unless my intent was to destroy you and to run you off, which was my intent before I had a pack of pissed of hornets on my ass the next day and before I had the full story.

So Angus I'm really sorry about going overboard on you.

Rhetoric is a skill and the most skillful are lawyers and paid professionals: I strongly object to deception of good people. However there is a difference between sharing your passion with an exuberance and trying to deceive people and I understand now that it wasn't your intent to do anything other than what I myself do when I'm obsessed. Please accept my apology.

I hope this settles the issue.
 
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Ron67

Ignorance isn’t bliss!
The only short coming I admit to is biting someone who I mistook for a professional hired marketing gunman. If I thought it was otherwise I would be posting something quite different.

I have now been clued in now on who Angus is, and I hope he will continue. I understand this experience has jaded his point of view, but that was an unfortunate accident where his passion collided with my belief that the powers that be have hijacked his passion. It's not about me thinking he's entirely wrong: I don't think that.

We now have a number of new people from elsewhere and whom I want to make welcome and not offend, at least ways not immediately, let me lull you to sleep first. So I understand the situation now. I understand that Angus and others were grossly abused elsewhere and he deserves better and when I abuse you I want it hurt in a good way.

I don't agree with Angus, good lord I wouldn't want you to imagine that, not for one second would I deceive you unless my intent was to destroy you and to run you off, which was my intent before I had a pack of pissed of hornets on my ass the next day and before I had the full story.

So Angus I'm really sorry about going overboard on you.

Rhetoric is a skill and the most skillful are lawyers and paid professionals: I strongly object to deception of good people. However there is a difference between sharing your passion with an exuberance and trying to deceive people.

I hope this settles the issue.
It would be a dreary world if we all agreed all of the time.Nothing wrong with debate as long as it's civil.
 

Gambeir

Celestial
It would be a dreary world if we all agreed all the time.Nothing wrong with debate as long as it's civil.

For the sake of not totally destroying this thread, and because I do think this is an important area that need to be discussed and recognized, then lets just assume for the sake of discussion that we have all been teleported to a future where this technology is now being rolled out as an alternative to death, and other crippling life destroying disease and injuries.

What needs to be addressed is how are we to know what's real? How are you going to really know that the person who first goes in for this will really be inside that machine?

Now lets assume that we have somehow been able to prove to ourselves that this is real; that you can transfer all whom you are inside a machine. How then are we to know that the machine itself isn't equally or more subject to remote hijacking?

We know right now that certain people already are more accessible, more prone to being controlled, and we have here a blending going on which needs to thought through.

Deception is natural to humans as breathing. I'm only opposed to this technology because it's being mass marketed to everyone, it's not being marketed as something which would be controlled and only available to qualified people. Nobody should be allowed to just sign on for a transfer. Here we are with controlled everything and yet this is being talked about like it was akin to buying a new car? Yet again we won't even allow pot to be legal in most places?

So you see there's a lot of really incredibly messed up reasoning going down and it's not happening accidentally.
 
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humanoidlord

ce3 researcher
my position is similar to @Thomas R. Morrison 's
i dont think its possible to replicate the brain, because the brain is actually a kind of "antenna" and your consciouness is contained in another dimension, so its indeed impossible to copy your brain
 

CasualBystander

Celestial
I stumbled on this story earlier and am posting it for consideration.

Scientists hacked a computer using DNA.
Here’s how scientists used DNA to launch a computer attack

Essentially what these guys did was encode malware inside of a DNA sequence. This DNA sequence was then sent to be analyzed by another computer, and viola! They gained complete control over the DNA sequence analyzer!
Yeah, but all it can do is reproduce DNA sequence analyzers.
 

nivek

As Above So Below
What if ET is an AI?

We have a problem. In a 10-billion-year-old galaxy there should have been ample opportunity for at least one species to escape its own mess, and to spread across the stars, filling every niche. That this species doesn’t seem to have come calling leads to Fermi’s Paradox – if life isn’t impossibly rare, then where is everyone? Efforts to scan the skies for signs of intelligent life have come up blank too, adding to the puzzle. Perhaps the vast gulfs of interstellar space and the narrow windows of time for communicative species to exist within shouting distance of each other are to blame. Intelligences might be like small ships passing in the night in a vast ocean. Actual close encounters of any kind could be exceedingly unusual.

Another explanation for the great silence of the galaxy is that any surviving intelligence out there is so different from us, so radically evolved, that we can’t even conceive of its forms or behaviours. As a consequence, actually detecting and recognising it could be next to impossible. That’s a bit of a downer.

But there is also a possibility that lies between such extremes and it might be the most probable of all. When our first encounter or detection finally occurs, it could be a machine intelligence that appears in our sights.

The idea is not truly new. Back in the 1940s, the mathematician John von Neumann explored the possibilities of non-biological, self-replicating systems steeped in computation but requiring no operating minds. Later on, in the 1980s, others expanded on this concept by considering the real engineering needs for autonomous, replicating, space-faring devices; these machines would be able to roam the Universe, finding raw materials to build more and more of themselves, creating the infrastructure for energy from space or human settlement among the stars.

It would require a more complex mission still for such devices to have true artificial intelligence (AI). What would that purpose be, and what kind of AI is such a machine likely to have? An encounter with an alien machine could help us unravel this puzzle.

One possibility is that this machine is super-capable, exceeding our human capacity for cognitive or analytical tasks. Such an AI might be exceedingly hard to understand, either in terms of its underlying motivation or because of practical barriers of communication bandwidth. For this device, talking to us might be like talking to an infant. Or trying to discuss the collected works of Shakespeare using pictographs. An alien system optimised for processing vast data streams might not even be able to downgrade its pace enough to notice that we’re trying to talk, whether we use technology or not.

An extraterrestrial (ET) AI could also be seriously intimidating and scary simply because of its machine nature: a thing animated from non-living pieces, just like the classic tale of the golem moulded from clay or mud. By comparison, while a biological alien might be shocking, it would surely have some traits in common with us. We could convince ourselves that evolution leads to recognisable, even sympathetic behaviours and intentions. An artificial entity need not follow all of those evolutionary rules, taking alienness to a whole other level.

Encountering an alien AI would not only point to our own possible future, but also prompt a curious shift in our worldview. When Nicolaus Copernicus proposed in the 1500s that the Earth was not central in any way to the Universe, he set in motion the development of a critical scientific idea: that there is nothing cosmically special or significant about us. But meeting an ET-AI could turn that realisation on its head: if the only intelligence we meet is machine in nature, then we would be special, after all.

(more on the link)

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ImmortalLegend527

The Messenger Of All Gods old and new
The first language ever spoken in the entire universe and understood was binary language.i found out several moths ago that all races around the world before the great pyramid was born communicated with each other using binary language.So the thought of the OP is very plausible.
 

ImmortalLegend527

The Messenger Of All Gods old and new
Link to this claim???
If you want real proof read the bible.

[I am the Alpha and the Omega] its pretty much self explanatory.

Every race on earth including animals only used or communicated in binary language...its one of the reasons why the giza pyramid had no glyph or writing or basic human forms of thinking.The entire Giza pyramid was built buy using mass telekinesis and blue printed by mass telepathy.

Going back to the bible.

Adam and eve could not see through eyes or talk through mouth or use tongue, they didn't even walk they floated/teleport ed or flew...until.They opened a new program/ate the forbidden fruit.How else do you think they was able to communicate with a snake?

what ever happened after the pyramid was built or in that time period, disabled the binary program and...

When your in the binary realm you only see in binary as adam and eve did.


So when the woman saw that the treewas good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was to be desired to make one wise,2 she took of its fruit xand ate, and she also gave some to her husband who was with her, yand he ate. 7 zThen the eyes of both were opened

They could not see how humans see today.
Then the eyes of both were opened

I wonder how long they lived on this planet before??..before eyes were wide opened'

You will not surely die. 5 For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened,and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” 6 So when the woman saw that the treewas good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was to be desiredto make one wise,Or to give insight" style="color: rgb(114, 171, 191);">2 she took of its fruit xand ate, and she also gave some to her husbandwho was with her, yand he ate. 7 zThen the eyes of both were opened, aand they knewthat they were naked. And they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves loincloths.

lol, so now all of the sudden adam finally notices after being on this planet, that he has a penis so he sewed fig leaves and made them selves loin clothes.

So your telling me they wore no clothes and he never new he had a penis...HOW LONG DID THIS GO ON?

And they heard the sound of the LORD God walking in the garden in the coolHebrew wind" style="color: rgb(114, 171, 191);">3 of theday, and the man and his wife bhid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongthe trees of the garden. 9 But the LORD God called to the man and said to him, “Where areyou?”4 10 And he said, “I heard the sound of you in the garden, and I was afraid, because was naked, and I hid myself.” 11 He said, “Who told you that you were naked?

So all of the sudden they can hear with ears,at no other time of them living was they ever scared that god came through the woods.They was afraid they was naked??You mean to tell me these 2 humans didnt no they was naked?

WHO TOLD YOU THAT YOU WAS NAKED GOD ASKED??

You might not understand what i just said,it really isn't for a mortal to understand this but its the best that i can do as far as proof.

Thats my proof and if its not proof to you, then explain what they was seeing and hearing before they ate the so called fruit.

The man called his wife's name Eve, because she was the mother of all living.7 21 Andthe LORD God made for Adam and for his wife garments of skins and clothed them.

Im really not going to get into this part and tell you what adam and eve really were ,Its to much info?????

God made for Adam and for his wife garments of skins and clothed them..
 
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CasualBystander

Celestial
If you want real proof read the bible.

[I am the Alpha and the Omega] its pretty much self explanatory.

Every race on earth including animals only used or communicated in binary language...its one of the reasons why the giza pyramid had no glyph or writing or basic human forms of thinking.The entire Giza pyramid was built buy using mass telekinesis and blue printed by mass telepathy.

Going back to the bible.

Adam and eve could not see through eyes or talk through mouth or use tongue, they didn't even walk they floated/teleport ed or flew...until.They opened a new program/ate the forbidden fruit.How else do you think they was able to communicate with a snake?

what ever happened after the pyramid was built or in that time period, disabled the binary program and...

When your in the binary realm you only see in binary as adam and eve did.

... followed by more none evidence....
Click languages

I was hoping you would point to something more substantial.

Like the most primitive African languages communicate with clicking sounds.
 

Shadowprophet

Truthiness
I don't think the idea that some visiting group of extraterrestrials could be robotic or some sort of drone is that off the mark. I mean, We don't tie a person to a stick and have him take snapshots of Mars, People should consider that to an outside species our oxygen atmosphere could be poisonous. Plus, really no matter how you rationalize it Living things Die, I mean even if it's some other life form, It is subject to death, So, Robotic probes or avatars would be preferable to biological entities for long term exploration, Because life forms have needs that cost resources, You want to send a group of living entities on a long exploration, There are resources you are going to need. resources that robotic probes wouldn't need.

Plus the Idea of a programmable robot is actually not that new of a concept, I present to you a programmable robot made in ancient Greece

 
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