Alternate Theories Of UFO Origin

karl 12

Noble
For folks interested in (or entertained by) speculation about the UFO subject then there's a good presentation below from researcher Greg Bishop exploring 'Alternative Theories of UFO Origin' - lots of various ideas kicked around from luminaries such as John Keel, Mac Tonnies, Michael Persinger, Jacques Vallee, Rick Strassman etc. as well as other strange aspects like USOs, cryptoterrestriality, extra dimensionality, time travel, magnetic field induction, tulpas and elementals so probably best to try and watch with an open mind.





Greg Bishop has been studying UFOs and the paranormal for most of his life. His first article on the subject was published in 1988. In his book Project Beta: The Story of Paul Bennewitz, National Security, and the Creation of a Modern UFO Myth (2005 Simon & Schuster/ Pocket Books) he wrote about a government campaign of disinformation perpetrated against an unsuspecting U.S. citizen. The no-man's land between the extremes of wide-eyed belief and closed-minded debunkery has fascinated Greg and led to the birth of a magazine he co-founded called The Excluded Middle, which was a journal of UFOs, conspiracy research, psychedelia and new science. .



Not to be outdone Richard Dolan also discusses the various hypotheses out there and, whilst he posits the ETH, also engages in a spot of conjecture about origin and the nature of UFO reality in this clip:







Doc Hynek's colleague and original nuts and bolts guy Ted Phillips also speculates about origin in this great interview - he describes incidents where UFOs have been witnesses generating physical traces on the ground (4000 cases in 93 countries - 19℅ of which involve humanoids) and also broaches the paranormal angle by relating a case where poltergeist activity immediately began in a house after witnesses observed a close range UFO depart vertically outside their upstairs window.





Ted R. Phillips is the Director of the Center for Physical Trace Research. He began investigating UFO reports in 1964 and was a research associate of Dr. J. Allen Hynek from 1968 until Dr. Hynek's death in 1986. It was at Allen Hynek's suggestion that he began specializing in physical traces associated with UFO sightings in 1968. Ted has personally investigated some 600 UFO cases. He is currently investigating the "Marley Woods" case. Ted was a member of a select team invited to meet with the United Nations Secretary-General at the UN in New York, along with Hynek, Jacques Vallee and Gordon Cooper. He gave two presentations at the First International UFO Congress and a presentation at the first MUFON symposium. Most recently he was a part of the History Channel documentary UFO Hunters and Alien Encounters.
 

nivek

As Above So Below
other strange aspects like USOs

I always considered USOs as part of the ET phenomenon, as being craft that can withstand the deep pressures of the ocean...

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Thanks for the videos; I look forward to checking them out.

The point that I make about the origin question is this: I'm sure that many different things are going on: it's a vast, ancient, and weird cosmos. So when people try to find one answer and stick to it, they run into problems because there are always cases which don't conform to their preferred single explanation.

From where I'm sitting it looks like the vast majority of ufos are extraterrestrial technology navigating our airspace. And it doesn't particularly surprise me that paranormal effects sometimes follow sighting events, because as Arthur C. Clarke said, "any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." In other words, we should expect that a sufficiently advanced technology (or even sufficiently advanced beings) would be associated with inexplicable, "paranormal" effects.

But I'm sure that's not the whole story. There are lots of cases of paranormal activity which aren't associated with ufos. So there's an entire class of experiences which remains beyond our present comprehension. Dr.Barry Taff has done outstanding work in this area. It appears that human neurophysiology can, in rare cases, couple with some unknown field, to create paranormal events - and intriguingly, he's found that some epileptics are associated with paranormal phenomena.

Now, if we presume that a sufficiently advanced species has already come to an understanding of this coupling between neurophysiology and this unknown field, and perhaps utilizes it in some technological manner, then it's no wonder that all hell is breaking loose at the intersection between ufos and paranormal activity.

The reason that we seem to be perplexed by this association between ufos and the paranormal, is that we've blithely assumed that an alien race would only surpass us in areas like field propulsion and energy. But it's safe to assume that any species 1 billion or more years ahead of us, would also have reached a deep understanding of effects that remain beyond our understanding entirely. We hear frequent reports of telepathy in EBE encounters, for example, which we consider to be a paranormal phenomenon.

The conventional view is that our science has mostly figured out all of the big questions, and we're just fine-tuning the details at this point. I think that's a ludicrous position based entirely upon hubris - God only knows what astounding vistas of understanding will befall humanity if our civilization persists for another thousand years, or million years, or billion years. We've only had toilets in our homes for a little over a century at this point, for crying out loud: we're not near the end of scientific discovery - we're at the very beginning.
 
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nivek

As Above So Below
God only knows what astounding vistas of understanding will befall humanity if our civilization persist s for another thousand years, or million years, or billion years. We've only had toilets in our homes for a little over a century at this point, for crying out loud: we're not near the end of scientific discovery - we're at the very beginning.

Loved this part, so true...We've only had personal computers for a few decades too...lol

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Gambeir

Celestial
I like Richard Dolan because he always seem's like the one person in Ufology that's rock solid. This is probably the first time I'm not really liking what he say's.
 

Sheltie

Fratty and out of touch.
I especially enjoyed the Richard Dolan video. There are so many competing theories now regarding the UFO phenomenon that it does almost seem as if the idea of aliens flying here in spaceships from nearby planets is almost too pedestrian.

I like his observation about his dog at feeding time. Despite the fact that his dog is very intelligent, his brain does not comprehend the fact that the food from the can comes from a factory where it is processed and canned by human workers. Dolan seems to believe, lamentably, that our brains may never be able to fully comprehend certain mysteries such as the ET phenomenon.
 

nivek

As Above So Below
There are so many competing theories now regarding the UFO phenomenon that it does almost seem as if the idea of aliens flying here in spaceships from nearby planets is almost too pedestrian.

Yet its still the most logic and reasonable conclusion, that most, but not all, alien visitations are those from other planets in our Galaxy and universe...There's of course some very strange, high strange reports, that are likely from other places we can only guess, but none of these theories should be a cover all blanket theory...

Dolan seems to believe, lamentably, that our brains may never be able to fully comprehend certain mysteries such as the ET phenomenon.

I don't agree with that at all, that's defeatist mentality and making excuses in my opinion...

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karl 12

Noble
Appreciate the replies and points raised, the UFO subject certainly is an extremely serious mystery (which governments take extremely seriously) but also thought this was quite a refreshing vid stating that the defining of UFOs as "alien" is inherently contradictory, presumptuous and unscientific - it also proposes that doing so prejudices the many other explanations for UFO data and opens the door for armchair debunkers who have never even bothered to study it.



In English-language media, we're accustomed to using the terms, "UFO" and "Alien" interchangeably. While this may seem harmless enough, it is detrimental to a focused, data-conscious debate on UFOs. Here is why.



Don't know how other members feel about the argument that 'in order to achieve a more focused, data conscious debate on UFOs we must dissociate the subject from extra-terrestrial life and bring our attention back to the evidence' but just to play devil·s advocate below is Jose Antonio Caravaca's new article echoing some of the same sentiments and lists 'seven thoughtful insights that are worthy of discussion.'.


The following aspects that we are going to list appear in almost every classic book you have read about UFOs, but obviously no researcher has pointed out their obvious disparity and counterpoint to extraterrestrial theses:


1.- From the first to the last page of many ufological books, it is clear that there are infinite different types of flying saucers and occupants. As diverse and picturesque as they are different, they are witnesses to each other. Have you looked at the number of different aliens that appear on the pages of these books? Why didn't any researcher distrust this issue? Is it possible we were being visited by a legion of alien races? Why so many kinds of UFOs, different in size and shape?


2.- Before the study of the same facts; proximity of a UFO, landing on a soft ground, impact of a light on the witness, etc., the same effects, tracks, traces or injuries were not recorded, why? That is, sometimes UFOs leave traces and sometimes they do not (even if it is the same type of terrain). Sometimes they cause electromagnetic interference in cars and electrical appliances and sometimes they do not (even though the distance to the UFO is the same for vehicles). Sometimes they cause harm to people and sometimes they do not (even if they are exposed to the same factors).
Therefore, it is very obvious that the effects caused by the interaction with the phenomenon are produced by causes other than the simple presence sine qua non of the paradigm in front of the witness. Otherwise, these different consequences would occur as long as we had the same factors in play.


3.- Another circumstance that is very clear, after reading dozens of books, is that UFO cases are not connected to each other. We cannot follow or weave a plot that leads us to a single great common history. The only thing UFO events share is their basic structure. The witness will report: 1. that he has seen a "thing" flying in the sky, 2. later, that this "thing" has landed, and 3. from this "thing" some beings have descended. But, incomprehensibly, these aspects, which should have greater homogeneity, are highly malleable and in each case, the elements "thing" and "beings" will be surprisingly different in size, shape and colors. And this has been noted in an overwhelming and revealing way, why has this particular fact not given rise to more debate?


4.- The behaviour of the occupants of the flying saucers is absurd and lacking in logic. And this does not happen because, as most scholars explain, we are incapable of interpreting or elucidating the actions of an advanced civilization in millions of years of evolution. Let's not be fooled. Simply put, the actions of the ufonauts are a set of nonsense, one after the other. The actions developed by extraterrestrials are very similar to those recorded in dream experiences. Therefore, all the gratuitous and unsubstantiated speculation about the absurd factor, an important key for many researchers of something sublime and extraordinary inserted inside the UFO encounters, is wrong. These circumstances are due to an effect caused by the interaction/communication of the witness's unconscious with an unknown external agent, which creates a projection following similar processes of creativity to that displayed by our psyche during the sleep phases. And we all know that dream experiences are signified by their absurd character...


5.- The information obtained from the "extraterrestrials" is a compendium of nonsense and, at best, the witness's own knowledge, "distorted" by the paradigm (the external agent). After decades of analyzing the communications of the alleged aliens, there has been no evidence of any truly novel knowledge, either at the scientific, philosophical, social or religious level.


6.- UFO crews do not influence or manipulate large sectors of society. Although it is insisted that the ufonauts interfere with our belief systems and act as a sort of spiritual catalyst, all of this takes place in a very small setting, and has more to do with how witnesses, let alone everyone else, react to these phenomena than in other circumstances.


7.- The UFO phenomenon does not adapt to society by changing its external appearance over time. It does not use any kind of sublime psychic camouflage. Simply put, the staging we observe has to be synchronous with the advances, thoughts, beliefs or myths of the time.


Conclusion:

All these factors indicated, practically since the late 1950s, that the witness was a vital and substantial part of understanding and decoding the meaning and nature of close encounters with UFOs. However, most researchers have chosen to ignore all of these signals and continue to speculate free of charge, far removed from the casuistry they had in their hands. It should be borne in mind that in subsequent years the incidents only corroborated these initial assessments of the first reports recorded by the UFO pioneers research.

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Whatever the answer to UFO origin (and as also stated in the above vid) there have been numerous worldwide government studies and investigations into Unidentified Flying Objects attempting to provide explanations for the true nature of unexplained report percentages (about 20%) and there's a comprehensive presentation about the subject below by Alejandro Rojas.





Governments around the world have felt compelled to act on credible UFO sightings. The United States, Great Britain and France have had official UFO investigation departments, and have released thousands of files.

What many do not know is that France and several South American countries currently have active official government and/or military UFO research organizations. We will examine these organizations, past and present, and the amazing UFO cases that have prompted their creation.

Cheers.
 

SOUL-DRIFTER

Life Long Researcher
Part of the cover up is I believe due to UFOs having a wide variety of sources. But I think that the parallel universe one is the one that would have the biggest impact.
Some may come from places stranger than anything we have though of yet.
 
Appreciate the replies and points raised, the UFO subject certainly is an extremely serious mystery (which governments take extremely seriously) but also thought this was quite a refreshing vid stating that the defining of UFOs as "alien" is inherently contradictory, presumptuous and unscientific - it also proposes that doing so prejudices the many other explanations for UFO data and opens the door for armchair debunkers who have never even bothered to study it.
Presumptuous maybe, but "unscientific?" You're over-reaching there - the ETH is supported by pretty much all of the scientific developments of the last few decades. At this point I would be stunned if some if not most of the genuinely anomalous sightings events that are reported, are not of extraterrestrial nature in some sense of the word.

Here's my problem with the "but the ETH isn't weird enough to explain the reports" argument: statistical estimates of the age of the other habitable worlds in our galaxy have found that they are, on average, 1-3 billion years older than the Earth. Just take a moment to try to fathom what that means. We've had electricity for maybe two centuries. People were still warming their homes by burning coal in their basement furnaces 100 years ago, and before that, all they had was wood.

We can't even begin to imagine what our civilization will be capable of in 1000 years. 1,000 x 1,000 equals one million, and 1,000 x 1,000 x 1,000 is one billion.

By a generous estimate, our species is only about 200,00 years old. So in a billion years hence, we'll have evolved through hundreds if not thousands of species beyond homo sapiens sapiens, if we survive as a lineage. So if we presume, based on the scientific evidence, that the average visitor to the Earth is 1 billion or more years ahead of us biologically and technologically, then how can we possibly presume to anticipate just how bizarre they'll seem to us, by today's standards?

We can't even imagine it - it's beyond our current capacity for imagining. So we're essentially in the same position as the deer in headlights: we have no idea wth that object racing toward us could be, with its supernal and beguiling lights shining in the sky, or what its purpose could be, or even how to get out of the way.

So I think that these people who argue that the ETH "isn't strange enough" to explain the high-strangeness events, haven't stopped to consider what another billion+ years of biological and technological development actually means. We shouldn't just expect to find more advanced spacecraft visiting our planet - we should expect that encounters with such beings would seem completely supernatural to us, because in a very real sense, they are.
 
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humanoidlord

ce3 researcher
Presumptuous maybe, but "unscientific?" You're over-reaching there - the ETH is supported by pretty much all of the scientific developments of the last few decades. At this point I would be stunned if some if not most of the genuinely anomalous sightings events that are reported, are not of extraterrestrial nature in some sense of the word.

Here's my problem with the "but the ETH isn't weird enough to explain the reports" argument: statistical estimates of the age of the other habitable worlds in our galaxy have found that they are, on average, 1-3 billion years older than the Earth. Just take a moment to try to fathom what that means. We've had electricity for maybe two centuries. People were still warming their homes by burning coal in their basement furnaces 100 years ago, and before that, all they had was wood.

We can't even begin to imagine what our civilization will be capable of in 1000 years. 1,000 x 1,000 equals one million, and 1,000 x 1,000 x 1,000 is one billion.

By a generous estimate, our species is only about 200,00 years old. So in a billion years hence, we'll have evolved through hundreds if not thousands of species beyond homo sapiens sapiens, if we survive as a lineage. So if we presume, based on the scientific evidence, that the average visitor to the Earth is 1 billion or more years ahead of us biologically and technologically, then how can we possibly presume to anticipate just how bizarre they'll seem to us, by today's standards?

We can't even imagine it - it's beyond our current capacity for imagining. So we're essentially in the same position as the deer in headlights: we have no idea wth that object racing toward us could be, with its supernal and beguiling lights shining in the sky, or what its purpose could be, or even how to get out of the way.

So I think that these people who argue that the ETH "isn't strange enough" to explain the high-strangeness events, haven't stopped to consider what another billion+ years of biological and technological development actually means. We shouldn't just expect to find more advanced spacecraft visiting our planet - we should expect that encounters with such beings would seem completely supernatural to us, because in a very real sense, they are.
ufos are a living paradox, they are both too weird and too normal at the same time for ETH
in one side the UFOnauts have bizarre insane trickster behaviour and magical powers
in the other side they are still humanoid and look just like us with some changes here and there
 
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