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Discussion in 'Parapsychology' started by humanoidlord, Jan 16, 2019.

  1. humanoidlord

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    i found something interesting, its a youtube channel, quite amateurish, wich uploads alleged clips of paranormal activity from a man named "kent"
    some of the videos are almost a hour long, and they get a bit boring sometimes
    but i still have no idea how he could be faking his more dramatic footage, wich is quite odd, because to me it looks too good to be true.
    what do you guys think is happening here?


    i frankly, have no idea how to explain those videos
     
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  2. Shadowprophet

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    I mean, Do you truly Want someone to genuinely tell you their thoughts on this? Or do you want people to be all like, That's the most ghost-like thing I've ever seen?

    Cause I've got to be honest, I respect you, I respect your posts, I honestly don't want to be this guy that's like, Here's how they did it. I want you to keep that magical feeling that this could be real.


    I choose Not to be the Debunker guy this time.
     
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  3. wwkirk

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    I believe ghosts are real. But I'm not confident about identifying which examples are legitimate.
     
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  4. humanoidlord

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    i want somebody to debunk it, this is not a just for fun forum...
     
  5. humanoidlord

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    ok, i guess
     
  6. pigfarmer

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    10-4 Sparky. I'm on it. Any particular time marks in the video you're interested in?
     
  7. pigfarmer

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    Just watched the first one 'Daymares' and my first thoughts are that when it comes to putting a caption on a video intended to be posted publicly that spell check is free

    Old photos tend to ring the creepy bell right away due to the nature of the equipment in use at the time, lighting, old fashioned clothes, etc. Not related to the paranormal but I like to browse through this site Shorpy.com which contains some very high quality old photos of everyday life. The quality removes some of the inherent weirdness and humanizes the images. So basically I'm not putting much stock in the 1905 photo and I think it was included to add scariness.

    I admit that early on the shadow in the window looked very creepy and his reaction seemed genuine, but the second one toward the end was clearly his cat - which is why it went under the bed. Ghost of Maine Coon maybe. One of mine was just standing on a chair in the exact same pose jabbering at something outside in a tree. Meow, baby. My first impression of the smiling image "I see you" was also a cat. The clothing being tugged out the door and the image of something standing in that room struck me as fishing line fake - not that I could detect it but it sure looked that way. Given a higher quality video it might be more obvious. Even the Ghost Hunters pulled that crap in a few of their episodes.

    As for the noises - too much external noise pollution. The 1840s vintage house I grew up in was capable of emitting some freaky noises. Squirrels in the outer attic can be heart stoppers if you're already primed for ghosts. Not saying EVPs and so forth are all fakes, just that in this case the audio isn't useful.

    If that were my house and I really thought there was an entity that I wanted to document the kitty would go to the day spa, I'd have multiple audio recorders running and a high quality video camera permanently posted in that room. A timestamp on everything would certainly help to paint a clearer picture in case something was detected.

    If I wanted to make a creepy video for YouTube I'd do just what this guy did.

    Sorry to be a wet blanket but you did ask
     
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  8. humanoidlord

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    1rst video: the entire video (its quite dramatic)
    2nd: starts at 4:59 (TURN YOUR SOUND VOLUME DOWN)
     
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  9. humanoidlord

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    i agree with you that window one could be a fishing line hoax (i don't think its a cat because the movement is weird and looks more like something being pulled
    the shadow thing appears again in the other video (see timestamp) but as a solid, clearly humanoid figure, i can't explain that one
     
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  10. pigfarmer

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    Had a look at the second video and yes, the incident at about 4:50 is pretty cool. It could also very easily be just a prank of the sort Ghost Hunters pulled once or twice. But we don't know any of that so as far as my take on this goes:

    The EVPs I am just having a hard time hearing - and to be honest my hearing is damaged so I might not be the best candidate for that. Astonishing Legends podcast just did a great series on the Sallie House. It's in Kansas and I hadn't ever heard of it before. They go into detail about EVPs and you might find it interesting. I can tell you before you spend that much time what they caught is hair raising and scary and they don't really offer any fantastic conclusions about EVPs or the collection methods - but it's a great informal and entertaining and informative look at the whole phenomenon that's neither too skeptical or woo-woo.

    John B Alexander mentioned in Reality Denied that at one time on a visit to a house said to be haunted he received a strong shove in the back and his response was to wonder exactly how did that happen? What forces were at work to actually move him? Isaac Newton would have something to say about that. I could mention f=ma at risk on engaging the physics purists here - which I ain't. Just remember that from high school physics - and I can't remember which I disliked more at the time, those classes or chemistry. But I digress. But what manifested itself to shove a 150lb man forward at some unknown rate? In these videos something is knocking around and - am I wrong - moving that curtain?

    Also, I've done tons of residential AC electrical wiring and tons of commercial DC and low voltage wiring so flickering lights and "no way that can happen" statements just throw down the gauntlet in font of me. Yeah, it can and does and intermittent things can drive you to distraction. Again, even if Shadow Dude is doing it he's doing it in some fashion. I'd be taking quite a detailed look at the fixture, wiring and so forth.

    It's interesting though and scary and here we have a case where the activity seems to be frequent enough for him to capture. Wandering around with a camera, recorder and EMF meter is satisfying at one level but all the years I spent at the Vulcan Science Academy suggest a different approach.

    Something like a Ring Spotlight Camera in that room would be a good place to start, and to take a page out of the Skinwalker scenario maybe have that handheld he has set up so that it can see the Ring camera and the room too. I realize that's easy to suggest and that by the time you purchase all the necessary hardware a few hundred bucks would fly out of your wallet. But when you consider the amount of tech you can purchase commercially and the capabilities offered compared to what it would have been even a few years ago you do get an awful lot of bang for your buck. That little network might just also offer some additional data to look at - if network devices suddenly are interfered with, or for that matter are operating normally, then network router logs might be of some use. Some ethernet switches can provide the same. I'd be curious if the propriertary hub does.

    An all too likely scenario would be that, say I cruise up there and set all this gear up. I bet Shadow Dude takes a vacation. If not then we might have some data that's been collected methodically enough to write a a more substantial report on that would be (probably only slightly) less subject to ridicule or knee-jerk skepticism. I guess I could print the report out, roll it up and swat flies with it - no idea where I'd go with it. But complex problems are a rarely corrected with a shotgun approach so I'd use a slow, careful, repeatable approach.

    As I mentioned, I grew up in a scary-ass old house that my family always told me was haunted and I spent many nights quaking under the sheets terrified at weird noises from the attic; a door that closed itself, sounds of footsteps, banging. Very, very much like what's in these videos. I suffered from night terrors and a recurring nightmare from all that shit for years. When it comes to paranormal claims many people will cite incidents form their childhood and to me, that raises an alarm. It isn't that they stories can't be completely accurate it's that considering the nature of human memory especially at a young age some caution is indicated before accepting things at face value. But if those memories can be true then they can just as easily record the event accurately enough to be reviewed later and determine that, nah, wasn't what I thought it was. As an adult when I spent a great deal of time reflecting on what I actually experienced minus all the strong emotion I realize there was absolutely nothing to really point to. Lots of strong feelings but that was it. If sincere the guy making the videos is already fully front loaded, and if these are really 100% truthful I couldn't blame him. But a more useful reaction is in order to back up these claims. He's got the right idea with video and audio recordings but could use a little refinement. Unless the intent is, as I've suggested, just to make scary videos for YouTube.

    So here I've gone off on a lengthy rant. So @humanoid lord don't think I'm instantly dismissive. Very interested in fact. I just set my filter and threshold differently having been deceived in the past by others - and my own imagination.
     
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  11. humanoidlord

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    interesting post!
     
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  12. Shadowprophet

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    He's using dry ice and a projector, to peppers ghost project these things, I can say with confidence that this is how he pulled off the window illusions, These are special effects I've seen in person on several Halloween lawns. You can't believe everything you see when Dry ice is practically free and a cheap projector can be picked up for under fifty dollars. Just for the record, I do believe Energy or souls or spirits can legitimately be a thing. The more I study science The more I realize Time is more like a location in space rather than the way we perceive it from moment to moment in seconds minutes hours.

    I believe That everything is atomic energy, our physical bodies, Energy, Our cars, Energy, All physical matter is just a form of energy that can be converted from physical mass back into energy and back again Via the Fission/Fusion process. So, I do Believe that when our physical bodies cease to function that this isn't the end, Consider this, From the very time, we think our first thought, Our brains continue to send out these brainwaves It never stops, When it does, We are no longer alive. But This energy, This wave you have continued to produce since your conception, Continues to travel the cosmos, As we know, Physical matter can not transcend the speed of light, A speed necessary to traverse time. But, Brainwaves can travel the speed of light. I don't want to hear any of that but they only travel, Yeah, They are a lot slower when inside our neurons, once free from our bodies they travel unbelievably fast.

    We know Energy cannot be created freely, Nor can it be completely destroyed, So why should anyone believe consciousness just ceases? I believe in Ghosts. Just Not these Ghosts, This is a projector and some dry Ice, I know this because I've seen this too many times to count.

    They say this is not a just for fun topic. If I can't have fun doing something, I simply don't want to do it, Life is too short not to make the best of things.

    SP.
     
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  13. pigfarmer

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    Bored today so I took another look at the first video. You get a look at Shadow Dude at 1:00 and it looks like it's on top of the air conditioner. We get another look starting at about 14:05 ending at 14:11.

    I think I must be suffering from pussidolia. Have a look at 14:09 and 14:10 specifically. It jumped down and scurried under the bed. Crappy video but I froze it.

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    Just change the angle of this shot a step to the left so you see a bit more of his face.
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    What do you make of the 2 minute mark of the 1st vid?
     
  16. pigfarmer

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    If you go to 8:29 you'll see he has a big TV and at 8:45 a china cabinet with a glass face and I think light is hitting it.It's one of those two - I think it's the cabinet.
    Right around 2:02 - 2:03 when he says "there he is" ShadowDude's tail comes up .... because his Pop a.k.a the foodbringer is speaking to him. He's probably sitting nearby on a table or something.

    ShadowDude is likely the cat's name :) Instead of an EMF meter he ought to be waving a can of tuna fish around.

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  17. humanoidlord

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    pepper ghosts have a translucent look, while the things that he filmed are solid black, almost an unearthly black
    the only way he could do that is with puppets
     
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  18. humanoidlord

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    i can see what you are saying, its plausible, though a piece of cloth being pulled by a fishing line could cause the same effect
     
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  19. humanoidlord

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    i actually think that is a reflection in the glass, not a solid object, it actually seems to morph
     
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  20. pigfarmer

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    Yes, that's what I am saying although I probably could've said it better. It's his stupid cat sitting there and his image is reflected in the glass. The reaction when he says "I see you" it says meeeeeow. Of course, it could be a ghost cat ....
     
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