wwkirk
Divine
I take it you're ruling out FTL travel, or even wormholes?
Forum user Thomas R. Morrison appears to being very knowledgeable about science. He definitely believes FTL travel is within the realm of possibility.
Are The Pentagon’s UFO Program Statements Simply Misinformation?
Forum user Thomas R. Morrison appears to being very knowledgeable about science. He definitely believes FTL travel is within the realm of possibility.
Cosmic Cat
Honorable
I did not say it was seagulls I said maybe....I don't believe it was anything but a software glitch in the radar...West's seems to think it was seagulls, I said maybe it was gulls.....West, like you appears in most instances to be a know it all.
Now get over your damn self!!
Dejan Corovic
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What I said doesn't exclude FTL travel, because aliens have first to discover us and only than send spaceships.
Even if FTL travel is possible, FTL reception of light from the stars in the night sky is not.
But that covers the entire Milky Way galaxy, which is comprised of roughly 200+ billion stars.
The K2 Mission looked for planets orbiting stars located all across this long blue ribbon around our galaxy:
Mission overview
And: "The distance to most of the stars for which Earth-size planets can be detected by Kepler is from 600 to 3,000 light years."
https://www.nasa.gov/pdf/189566main_Kepler_Mission.pdf
Is that a joke? Because you're the one saying that it was either seagulls and/or a radar glitch.
On the other hand, we have four Black Aces fighter pilots who saw it and described a 40ft-long white Tic-Tac shaped craft, which Cmdrs. Fravor and Slaight circled, and then attempted to intercept directly, at which time the craft darted off at supersonic speed without generating a sonic boom. I don't know what it was, but obviously it wasn't a seagull or a radar glitch or any combination thereof.
If you think you know better than four Top Gun graduates with thousands of hours of military flight experience, then you're the one pretending to "know it all."
I tried, but I'm too tall to climb over.
But you're assuming that an advanced race of alien beings wouldn't see the clear biosigns in the Earth's atmosphere which indicate a planet suitable for the evolution of intelligent life - and those signs would've been visible for billions of years before humankind arose. And as far as we know, intelligent life might arise on most or perhaps even nearly all planets with conditions like our own. And if they are on average a couple of billion years ahead of us, as current estimates suggest, then sending a probe to survey the Earth might be about as troublesome as sending a flare up is for us.
And who's to say that there aren't alien civilizations that are interstellar nomads? Alien beings from other galaxies could be out there wandering around, stopping by any planet which looks interesting.
Statistically we would expect most of the probes or craft visiting our planet to come from our local region of the galaxy, but in theory they could also arrive from other galaxies. Here's an interesting fact: the lower estimate for the number of Earth-like planets orbiting in the habitable zones of their Sun-like parent stars, in the Milky Way galaxy alone, is 8.8 billion. These worlds are, on average, 2-3 billion years older than our planet. And statistically we should expect at least one of these worlds to be within 12 light-years of the solar system.
Spaceman spiff
Noble
As i recall, some of the witnesses there said they restarted the system in case of a bug and the radar showed they were still there.
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pigfarmer
tall, thin, irritable
Only listened to Mick West a couple of times and I guess I'm just late to the party with the seagull theory. .png "Face Palm :facepalm2:")
Kenneth Arnold might've seen birds but these guys ? Oh my achin' ball bag. Whales are silly. Seagulls are sillier.
Besides, most people aren't aware that included in every F/A-18's countermeasures suite there's a button - right next to the ones that deploy chaff and flares - marked 'French Fry' for exactly this purpose. Fravor would've used it as a matter of course and probably never thought to mention it.
Kenneth Arnold might've seen birds but these guys ? Oh my achin' ball bag. Whales are silly. Seagulls are sillier.
Besides, most people aren't aware that included in every F/A-18's countermeasures suite there's a button - right next to the ones that deploy chaff and flares - marked 'French Fry' for exactly this purpose. Fravor would've used it as a matter of course and probably never thought to mention it.
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pigfarmer
tall, thin, irritable
Yes. They weren't sure what the hell they were seeing and after they restarted it all still weren't.
Probably just herons or possible red-footed boobys anyway ...........
pigfarmer
tall, thin, irritable
I am skeptical that it was ET but have no reason to disbelieve the pilots - they saw something very much out of the ordinary. I think it's more likely to be of terrestrial origin than , Made in the USA in fact, but as it stands now there's no way to conclusively say one way or the other. The unfortunate thing about all this is that after the Dec 2017 headlines we've had TTSA talking nonsense and producing bad TV and books from known hoaxers on one side and the Pentagon talking out of both sides of it's mouth on the other.
As a skeptic I'm only saying that for my own reasons I think one thing is more likely than another, not that anything's impossible. I will admit whales and seagulls sound damned silly. Why ET would bother Navy ship(s) like that is also a bit of a head-scratcher but we love to speculate about their motives. They're here because we discovered nuclear energy, they're here to save us, exploit our resources, genetically engineer us, probe our backsides or maybe just be content with piling up stones in huge monolithic structures. Eh?
I see speculating about drive systems and potential origin points as perfectly reasonable and useful. But skeptics, believers and debunkers are in the same boat - nobody has any conclusive answers just a lot of detail to reinforce opinions.
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Dejan Corovic
As above, so bellow
Talking about history of intelligent life there is one interesting question. We are the most intelligent species on Earth, but certainly not the only one. Many animals and birds make tools and use clever strategies to hunt. But the elephant in the room type of question is: "Where are other hominids?". There was about seven hominids between ourselves and chimps, plus neanderthals and they all disappeared. At any point in time these hominids were sequentially the most intelligent and thus the most adoptable species on the Earth.
Argument that somehow we suppress them doesn't look to me as strong one, in my modest opinion, because Earth is wast and hominids were migratory species that could had found a niche to survive. Because of their intelligence I find hard to believe that they just disappeared. Impossible to prove, but it's more likely something else happened to them.
Completely agreed. Octopus has 9 brains, dolphins have bigger brains than us and use complex language, possibly with grammar. If that rock didn't hit Yucatan peninsula most likely there would be very smart lizzards walking the Earth.
Cosmic Cat
Honorable
But that covers the entire Milky Way galaxy, which is comprised of roughly 200+ billion stars.
The K2 Mission looked for planets orbiting stars located all across this long blue ribbon around our galaxy:
Mission overview
And: "The distance to most of the stars for which Earth-size planets can be detected by Kepler is from 600 to 3,000 light years."
https://www.nasa.gov/pdf/189566main_Kepler_Mission.pdf
Is that a joke? Because you're the one saying that it was either seagulls and/or a radar glitch.
On the other hand, we have four Black Aces fighter pilots who saw it and described a 40ft-long white Tic-Tac shaped craft, which Cmdrs. Fravor and Slaight circled, and then attempted to intercept directly, at which time the craft darted off at supersonic speed without generating a sonic boom. I don't know what it was, but obviously it wasn't a seagull or a radar glitch or any combination thereof.
If you think you know better than four Top Gun graduates with thousands of hours of military flight experience, then you're the one pretending to "know it all."
I tried, but I'm too tall to climb over.
But you're assuming that an advanced race of alien beings wouldn't see the clear biosigns in the Earth's atmosphere which indicate a planet suitable for the evolution of intelligent life - and those signs would've been visible for billions of years before humankind arose. And as far as we know, intelligent life might arise on most or perhaps even nearly all planets with conditions like our own. And if they are on average a couple of billion years ahead of us, as current estimates suggest, then sending a probe to survey the Earth might be about as troublesome as sending a flare up is for us.
And who's to say that there aren't alien civilizations that are interstellar nomads? Alien beings from other galaxies could be out there wandering around, stopping by any planet which looks interesting.
Statistically we would expect most of the probes or craft visiting our planet to come from our local region of the galaxy, but in theory they could also arrive from other galaxies. Here's an interesting fact: the lower estimate for the number of Earth-like planets orbiting in the habitable zones of their Sun-like parent stars, in the Milky Way galaxy alone, is 8.8 billion. These worlds are, on average, 2-3 billion years older than our planet. And statistically we should expect at least one of these worlds to be within 12 light-years of the solar system.
I know it was not aliens...Now smart ass prove it was aliens....You're going to need more than a blurry image from fighter pilots to prove it's aliens.....I believe the pilots saw something....
Nope sure not....Just because they are fighter pilots does not make their testimony any better than Joe Shit The Rag Mans.....And considering these videos were released without prior Naval consent I would not put it pass Delonge and his crew of clowns to have edited them in some way....
Could have been a seagull with a turbocharger up his ass......Wasn't going supersonic speed if it did not break the sound barrier, the speed for that is around 767 mph.....This isn't Star Wars where they can go to light speed or something...Space is vacuum the Earth is not......
Bottom line all this was about money.....Delonge still cries on his website for money...And before someone goes saying the Pentagon put out misinformation they should learn how the military works instead of talking out their ass.
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That was the sound of your credibility flying right out the window, never to return. Nobody knows what those pilots did or did not see; not you, not me, not the pilots, and probably not even the US government. To claim otherwise makes you a liar and/or delusional.
This is a common logical fallacy known as a false dilemma. You’re arguing that it must not be aliens because I can’t prove that it was aliens. But that’s not logical. A thing can be true and yet remain unproven, obviously. But like I said, I don’t know what that Tic-Tac was; I can only surmise based on decades of study in the areas of theoretical physics and military research projects that the performance characteristics of the Tic-Tac (and many other similar types of craft sighted by credible witnesses dating back over 70 years) point to a form of technology which we have recently begun to theorize about in the academic literature but cannot yet manufacture.
I think you should say those exact words to Cmdr. Fravor’s face and see what happens.
Top Gun Navy pilots receive training courses on identifying all forms of objects that they may encounter in the sky, and they refine that training through experience. So you’re wrong, again: the testimony of those pilots is vastly more credible than that of a person with no flight experience whatsoever.
And watch your language or I’ll ban you. We encourage passionate discussions but ad hominem attacks and swearing are not tolerated here.
The pilot who took that footage, Chad Underwood, has confirmed the authenticity of the brief video clip we’ve seen of the Tic-Tac.
And who exactly are you calling “clowns?” I find Luis Elizondo to be supremely credible, and his role at the AATIP inside of the Pentagon has now been confirmed by Tim McMillan.
Watch your language; this isn’t 4chan.
That’s like an ancient Greek farmer saying that cars can’t work because there isn’t enough room under the hood for a horse.
These craft aren’t using the primitive Newtonian reaction propulsion principle that all of our aircraft use – we know this because they produce no emissions, no reactant. The only way that a craft can move without a reaction mechanism is via the physics of general relativity. In that scenario the craft doesn’t force itself through the air like a jet, but rather distorts the field of spacetime around the craft in order to change position. In that case the air molecules are moved along with the spacetime that they’re embedded in, so they aren’t subjected to a reaction force, don’t heat up, and don’t get compressed into a shockwave. So yes - it's physically possible for a 40ft craft to accelerate far beyond the speed of sound and disappear over the horizon in less than a second (exactly as Cmdr. Fravor has reported) without producing a sonic boom...but there's no indication that humankind has achieved that level of technology yet.
General relativistic propulsion also happens to be the only known approach to FTL travel, which means that these craft could in theory arrive here from a distance of many light-years in a matter of days, hours, or even minutes – the rate of travel is unlimited by theory, and dependent only on the capabilities of the technology (a technology of applied general relativity which today remains beyond human engineering, imo).
That’s not a compelling point because everything costs money, so if a group wants to do anything then they need money to do it.
I analyzed their first SEC filing and the allocation for salaries was quite modest at the fundraising bracket that they met in their first year. And I see no signs that their fundraising has accelerated. So people who think that TTSA is some kind of cash cow are demonstrably wrong.
To me it looks like they’re sincere about what they want to do, but they’ve made some rookie mistakes and stumbled into the furniture a few times trying to get on their feet. I’m open to other theories, but I've seen no evidence to suggest a more dubious motive.
Apparently the Neanderthals got wiped out by global climate change about 40,00 years ago, Homo floresiensis (the "hobbits") probably got wiped out by a volcano, and we don't know enough about the Denisovans to know what killed them off:
Why are we the only human species still alive?
Here's how I see it - and we can set aside the theoretical arguments that we find in the academic physics literature to make this point.
We now know two very important facts:
1.) The universe expanded at a minimum of 50 orders of magnitude faster than the speed of light during the inflationary era of the early universe (that's not 5o times faster than the speed of light; that's the speed of light to the 50th power).
2.) Right now more than 99.99% of the universe is moving away from us much faster than the speed of light.
The speed between two points in the universe is proportional to distance, and is accelerating due to the dark energy effect. So anything which is beyond a certain distance (known as the Hubble sphere) is moving away from us faster than the speed of light - and the further away it is, the faster it's moving. There is no upper limit for the rate of relative motion between two points separated by distances greater than the distance to the edge of the Hubble sphere. And to the best of our scientific knowledge today, based on the BOSS Collaboration study, the universe is infinite in extent. Ergo, nearly all of the universe is receding away from us at FTL speeds - this proves that relative FTL speeds are not only possible, but are the rule rather than the exception in our universe.
And so far, we humans have been able to produce every effect that we've observed in the universe once we've understood it clearly. For example, once we understood how the Sun is powered by fusion, it only took a few decades to produce fusion in the lab.
So it's only a matter of time before we learn how to technologically achieve FTL travel, and people who think that FTL relative velocities are impossible should really brush up on their cosmology and general relativity studies because we now know for a fact that this is an incorrect argument.
Dejan Corovic
As above, so bellow
Here are some news that a complex protein was discovered in a meteorite. As well it was confirmed that protein was not from Earth but from outer space. That makes it pretty sure that there is life out there: