Arguments Against ETH

Dejan Corovic

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I just have to point out the obvious here, If time itself is being manipulated then one wouldn't have to break the sound barrier to exceed the speed of sound, Because time is being exploited/ dilated, Therefor no sonic boom, If there is no sonic boom, you wouldn't hear one, There wouldn't be one. Because they never broke the speed of sound, It was all time dilation.

Normally to achieve time dilation we need acceleration near to that of the speed of light. My assumption is, They use Gravity maybe even condensation to create density in mass, to alter the time dilation. Now I know you are Mr, No no no, But dude, You didn't even get that time dilation would let one violate the speed of sound, So, we aren't on the same page here.

I am not Mr. No No No, classic sciences give you one solution. Time dilation about which you are talking about is happening on the inside of the craft, not on the outside. Since sonic boom is on the outside of the UFO, it is not affected by time dilation. Simple.

No, problem. We have here on the forum a ressident expert on Special and General Relativity, @Thomas R. Morrison. Let him decide. He knows more than both of us together.
 

Shadowprophet

Truthiness
My theory could be all wrong, They may use any number of different methods or technology. But one thing we all need to do is stop limiting their technology to our current technology. They can do things we can't, They got here from the stars, We can't calculate that they got here on gasoline engines and good intentions. We have to accept they can do things technologically that we can't.
 

Shadowprophet

Truthiness
I am not Mr. No No No, classic sciences give you one solution. Time dilation about which you are talking about is happening on the inside of the craft, not on the outside. Since sonic boom is on the outside of the UFO, it is not affected by time dilation. Simple.

No, problem. We have here on the forum a ressident expert on Special and General Relativity, @Thomas R. Morrison. Let him decide. He knows more than both of us together.
I'd love Thomases input on this, I would have figured he would have already weighed in, I'm surprised he hasn't honestly.
 

Shadowprophet

Truthiness
I am not Mr. No No No, classic sciences give you one solution. Time dilation about which you are talking about is happening on the inside of the craft, not on the outside. Since sonic boom is on the outside of the UFO, it is not affected by time dilation. Simple.

No, problem. We have here on the forum a ressident expert on Special and General Relativity, @Thomas R. Morrison. Let him decide. He knows more than both of us together.
And you know, You may be correct, My gut instinct tells me there would be no sonic boom, However, It's exciting, I love to learn, Sooner or later Thomas will break down and weigh in, ;)
 

Shadowprophet

Truthiness
By the Way, I respect Thomas, And I'll take his word on this one, But never allow someone to just come through and tell you the empirical truth, Study, Read, And study some more. actually learn, Then Decide what the truth is ;)


Sorry, All weekend has been boring for me, I've been waiting for something exciting to happen. a0006
 

Dejan Corovic

As above, so bellow
My theory could be all wrong, They may use any number of different methods or technology.

Call me Mr. No No again, but that's wrong.

1.) Buy finding parallels between our and their technology, we shall assure ourselves that they are real.

2.) Our technology can give us small, but significant clues on how their technology works. On the end of the day their technology must consist of our tech., plus something we don't know. Like modern self-driving cars are long way away from horse carriages, but they are still based around wheels, that were invented 5,000 years ago.

Personally, by combining our science with statistically significant UFO witness observations, one is forced to conclude that they UFOs are made of metamaterials, that are pumped by EM waves. Metamaterial is made to be like a mesh of waveguides and the net effect of pumping up waveguides with coherent EM waves tha temporary conversion of regular mass into 'effective negative mass'. 'Effective negative mass' behaves same as 'negative mass' from Einstein's General Relativity. 'Negative Mass' in GR falls upwards. So, when UFOs zoom upwards at blinding speeds, they are actually falling upwards, because 'effective negative mass' is repelled by gravity of the Earth.When UFO turns off EM pumping of metamaterial, it turns into plain old lump of metal and just sits on ground like a dumb rock.

There is nothing speculative about the above, that is just plain old GR.

Before you tell me that I am dreaming, read this: Metamaterial-based model of the Alcubierre warp drive
 
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Shadowprophet

Truthiness
Call me Mr. No No again, but that's wrong.

1.) Buy finding parallels between our and their technology, we shall assure ourselves that they are real.

2.) Our technology can give us small, but significant clues on how their technology works. On the end of the day their technology must consist of our tech., plus something we don't know. Like modern cars are still based around wheels, that were invented 5,000 years ago.

Personally, by combining our science with statistically significant UFO witness observations, one is forced to conclude that they UFOs are made of metamaterials, that are pumped by EM waves. Metamaterial is made to be like a mesh of waveguides and the net effect of pumping it up with coherent EM waves is temporary conversion of regular mass into 'effective negative mass'. 'Effective negative mass' behaves same as 'negative mass' from Einstein's General Relativity. 'Negative Mass' in GR falls upwards. So, when UFOs zoom upwards at blinding speeds, they are actually falling upwards, because 'effective negative mass' is repelled by gravity of the Earth. There is nothing speculative about that, that is just plain old GR.
Good grief brother, If being called Mr. no no no sets you off, you totally need to change your gameplan, you're in for so much worse than that. even here. :/

On to your theory, I feel that our Technology is shortsighted in most peoples views. Look at how technology is evolving, It's even moving away from digital processing to Quantum, To honestly assume any of our technology would be anything at all like some other civilizations, is wishful thinking at best. As for your Metameterail theory, I think it goes without saying Metamaterials would be used in the creation of such craft. But what you are suggesting seems to be a metamaterial that turns the entire body of the craft into an Em drive. The problem is Em Drive is Basically a busted theory from the ground up. I'm sorry to say, But, It really is impossible, Even with an incredibly powerful energy expenditure it would be completely impractical. This is legitimate to my understanding of Physics, Both Classical and Revised.


Ionic propulsion on the other hand, maybe, but still some what impractical.
 
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Dejan Corovic

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But what you are suggesting seems to be a metamaterial that turns the entire body of the craft into an Em drive.

Not at all. Metamaterial + EM Energy will create modulated warp drive, not EM drive. Modulated meaning that warp drive can be turned on or off, as well as, one side of craft can be positive mass and another side negative mass, so one can maneuver craft in any direction.

Before you tell me that I am dreaming, read this: Metamaterial-based model of the Alcubierre warp drive
 

Shadowprophet

Truthiness
Not at all. Metamaterial + EM Energy will create modulated warp drive, not EM drive. Modulated meaning that warp drive can be turned on or off, as well as, one side of craft can be positive mass and another side negative mass, so one can maneuver craft in any direction.

Before you tell me that I am dreaming, read this: Metamaterial-based model of the Alcubierre warp drive
I love that the math is there, On paper it's beautiful. But It mathematically describes a Unicorn. Creating such a material may not be possible. I will give you this though. It's a pretty theory, I just don't think it's what's happening in the skies.

My reasoning is simply this, And this alone, The Idea, of a UFO, It is a mythical beast, to begin with, We have reports, And some people claim we have pictures, Others claim we have actual wreckage.

My thing is this. I think we have seen something, I think we know they are there and they know we are here. But, I can only take this to such a degree. When it comes to The crafts we have encountered and studied and even acquired. My assumption is the government doesn't have captured Ufos or aliens. I'm in the group of people who strongly believe, They are far more intelligent than we are, And we simply cannot catch them. But's that's not an empirical anything that's just my opinion.
 

Shadowprophet

Truthiness
I counter all of this by saying If aliens were in our skies and completely willing to communicate with us. places like Seti would be getting more signals. They are keeping a low profile. Not just from us regular folk, From all of us. The earth and its governments.

That is pretty on par reasoning for a high intelligence in that they would react this way.

Maybe the only thing the government is keeping from us is, Hey they are there. But they won't talk to us, They do what they want and we can't stop them. :/
 

Dejan Corovic

As above, so bellow
I'm in the group of people who strongly believe, They are far more intelligent than we are, And we simply cannot catch them. But's that's not an empirical anything that's just my opinion.

Agreed, pity is not yet empirical. But there is lots of arrows pointing in that direction. Lets not forget that Big Bang theory is just an opinion. Scientifically speaking, chance of Big Bang occurring is one devided by googleplex, and googleplex is some ridiculous number with more than billion zeros ;-). The main reason why Big Bang is in textbooks, is that whole known science points to it. Matamaterials pumped by coherent EM radiation are in the very similar vain.

I can only recommend you to read this paper posted by @Thomas R. Morrison : The Age Distribution of Potential Intelligent Life in the Milky Way. That is all hard physics empirical. Practically paper says: we are late arrivals to intelligent life Milky Way's club and not just a late arrival, late by about 3.0+ billion years. We are as well on a periphery, like inner Mongolia of this Universe. Paper concludes, after a detailed study of Milky Way's evolution, that 77% of potentially habitable planets are 3.0+ billion ahead of us. In other words, we are technologically 3.0+ billion years behind an average intelligent life Milky Way civilization.

Or, we are so technologically primitive, that none of our neighbors want to touch us with barge-pole. We are worst than Milky Way's Neanderthals. Actually the astrophysicist who wrote the paper supported that conclusion himself. Most likely, majority of Milky Way is already colonized by few thousand of civilizations that are 3.0+ billion years ahead of us. Sad, but very well supported by astrophysics.
 

Shadowprophet

Truthiness
Agreed, pity is not yet empirical. But there is lots of arrows pointing in that direction. Lets not forget that Big Bang theory is just an opinion. Scientifically speaking, chance of Big Bang occurring is one devided by googleplex, and googleplex is some ridiculous number with more than billion zeros ;-). The main reason why Big Bang is in textbooks, is that whole known science points to it. Matamaterials pumped by coherent EM radiation are in the very similar vain.

I can only recommend you to read this paper posted by @Thomas R. Morrison : The Age Distribution of Potential Intelligent Life in the Milky Way. That is all hard physics empirical. Practically paper says: we are late arrivals to intelligent life Milky Way's club and not just a late arrival, late by about 3.0+ billion years. We are as well on a periphery, like inner Mongolia of this Universe. Paper concludes, after a detailed study of Milky Way's evolution, that 77% of potentially habitable planets are 3.0+ billion ahead of us. In other words, we are technologically 3.0+ billion years behind an average intelligent life Milky Way civilization.

Or, we are so technologically primitive, that none of our neighbors want to touch us with barge-pole. We are worst than Milky Way's Neanderthals. Actually the astrophysicist who wrote the paper supported that conclusion himself. Most likely, majority of Milky Way is already colonized by few thousand of civilizations that are 3.0+ billion years ahead of us. Sad, but very well supported by astrophysics.
I mean if it wasn't technology, just the fact that we couldn't stop killing each other would be a huge red flag that we are all still savages bro, We can't accept that some people do or don't believe In God, So we kill each other, We can't accept that people can choose their gender so there are political riots. We aren't ready for aliens. I mean, Any group of extraterrestrials that would seriously want to land here and coexist along with us would be suspect on that principle alone, I'd think.
 
Okay so I arrived late to the party, but I think I can offer some clarification.

There are two known mechanisms of time dilation: special relativistic (SR) time dilation and the gravitational time dilation of general relativity (GR). The first of those is purely kinematic, i.e. involving matter in motion that a significant fraction of the speed of light. So we could talk about the time dilation associated with the hull of an anomalous vehicle either spinning or oscillating (vibrating) at relativistic speeds, but honestly that would be a bit silly, because that doesn’t seem to offer any insight into the other signature propulsion characteristics that are commonly associated with AAVs.

So that leaves us with gravitational time dilation, because that does provide us with a comprehensive understanding of the operation of these craft which was first posited by Hermann Bondi, and then developed further by Robert L. Forward and fully elucidated in the language of GR by Miguel Alcubierre (though it is worth noting that Alcubierre’s specific metric appears to be only one possible metric, and a fairly exotic one at that – nevertheless, it works mathematically). Martin Tajmar has recently expounded on this idea and his paper is freely available so we can have a look at it here:
https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/829d/e3d5e49df0ba95e99936f6b0337da34de914.pdf

So a big part of the reason that you two gentlemen are in such intense disagreement about this subject is that the time dilation factor is only half of the equation; we really need to be looking at the entire spacetime manifold to see what’s going on with these devices.

As you can see in Tajmar’s paper (and Robert Forward’s earlier papers, which seem to be behind paywalls at this point, regrettably), the capability to create negative inertial mass is sufficient for reactionless propulsion schemes: with two equal and opposite inertial masses (one positive and one negative) a spring will suffice to generate reactionless propulsion. But we’re interested in the field propulsion model involving gravitational time dilation, so we’ll focus on that.

There are a couple of points to consider here; first, a gravitational field cannot be shielded or, to the best of our knowledge at least, contained. So regardless of the mechanism utilized to generate the positive and negative gravitational poles required for a gravitational field propulsion system, that field will extend beyond the craft, and the interaction through the craft will yield the self-acceleration interaction that propels such a device. We should note that in the center of such a device, the two poles of gravitational field cancel, forming a region of zero gravitational time dilation – this is likely where the pilot and/or guiding instrumentation would be, so we don’t need to get into comparing rates of time in the interior and exterior reference frames: for all practical considerations they’re the same; the pilot is experiencing the same rate of time as the witness, unless some additional gravitational field is used which is unrelated to propulsion. [This is actually a major point of interest, because only a gravitational field propulsion system can produce arbitrarily short travel times between destinations - even superluminal travel - with no time dilation effects]

Both poles of gravitational field dilate time, but in opposite ways. The ordinary positive gravitational field like we experience here on the Earth, slows the rate of time experienced within the field, compared to an external observer. A negative, aka repulsive gravitational field, like we see with the dark energy effect in astrophysics, accelerates the rate of time within the field, relative to an external observer. But this isn’t the key factor pertaining to the question of the sonic boom, it turns out. Which shouldn't be too surprising – the magnitude of gravitational field required to dilate time by, say, an order of magnitude, would be enormous – far greater than the field intensity required to produce the kinds of dramatic accelerations that are commonly reported.

The key factor is the acceleration field itself, which is a spacetime distortion field. It turns out that either form of gravitational pole can explain the absence of sonic booms when these devices accelerate to and maintain hypersonic speeds. Paul Hill investigated this subject in significant detail in his book Unconventional Flying Objects: A Scientific Analysis, and others have expounded on this subject as well, including Dr. Hal Puthoff. But simply put, a repulsive gravitational field at the leading edge of an AAV would create a diffusive low-pressure gradient in the atmospheric pressure ahead of the craft, preventing the localized compression of atmosphere that produces a sonic boom. And an attractive gravitational field ahead of the craft would create a gradient of compressed atmosphere ahead of the craft, like a pillow of air, which would also diffuse the compression region and also prevent a sonic boom. It’s the gradient itself, rather than its sign, which prevents the production of a sonic boom.

So it doesn’t matter how the gravitational field poles required for propulsion are produced – whether via a device inside the craft, or by the material of the hull itself; in either case the gravitational field will extend significantly beyond the craft (and drop off by the inverse cube law, because the field is dipolar in nature), thereby preventing the production of a sonic boom. The same mechanism would substantially reduce the atmospheric heating of the hull.
 
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Shadowprophet

Truthiness
Okay so I arrived late to the party, but I think I can offer some clarification.

There are two known mechanisms of time dilation: special relativistic (SR) time dilation and the gravitational time dilation of general relativity (GR). The first of those is purely kinematic, i.e. involving matter in motion that a significant fraction of the speed of light. So we could talk about the time dilation associated with the hull of an anomalous vehicle either spinning or oscillating (vibrating) at relativistic speeds, but honestly that would be a bit silly, because that doesn’t seem to offer any insight into the other signature propulsion characteristics that are commonly associated with AAVs.

So that leaves us with gravitational time dilation, because that does provide us with a comprehensive understanding of the operation of these craft which was first posited by Hermann Bondi, and then developed further by Robert L. Forward and fully elucidated in the language of GR by Miguel Alcubierre (though it is worth noting that Alcubierre’s specific metric appears to be only one possible metric, and a fairly exotic one at that – nevertheless, it works mathematically). Martin Tajmar has recently expounded on this idea and his paper is freely available so we can have a look at it here:
https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/829d/e3d5e49df0ba95e99936f6b0337da34de914.pdf

So a big part of the reason that you two gentlemen are in such intense disagreement about this subject is that the time dilation factor is only half of the equation; we really need to be looking at the entire spacetime manifold to see what’s going on with these devices.

As you can see in Tajmar’s paper (and Robert Forward’s earlier papers, which seem to be behind paywalls at this point, regrettably), the capability to create negative inertial mass is sufficient for reactionless propulsion schemes: with two equal and opposite inertial masses (one positive and one negative) a spring will suffice to generate reactionless propulsion. But we’re interested in the field propulsion model involving gravitational time dilation, so we’ll focus on that.

There are couple of points to consider here; first, a gravitational field cannot be shielded or, to the best of our knowledge at least, contained. So regardless of the mechanism utilized to generate the positive and negative gravitational poles required for a gravitational field propulsion system, that field will extend beyond the craft, and the interaction through the craft will yield the self-acceleration interaction that propels such a device. We should note that in the center of such a device, the two poles of gravitational field cancel, forming a region of zero gravitational time dilation – this is likely where the pilot and/or guiding instrumentation would be, so we don’t need to get into comparing rates of time in the interior and exterior reference frames: for all practical considerations they’re the same; the pilot is experiencing the same rate of time as the witness, unless some additional gravitational field is used which is unrelated to propulsion.

Both poles of gravitational field dilate time, but in opposite ways. The ordinary positive gravitational field like we experience here on the Earth, slows the rate f time experienced within the field, compared to an external observer. A negative, aka repulsive gravitational field, like we see with the dark energy effect in astrophysics, accelerates the rate of time within the field, relative to an external observer. But this isn’t the key factor pertaining to the question of the sonic boom, it turns out. Which should be too surprising – the magnitude of gravitational field required to dilate time by, say, an order of magnitude, would be enormous – far greater than the field intensity required to produce the kinds of dramatic accelerations that are commonly reported.

The key factor is the acceleration field itself, which is a spacetime distortion field. It turns out that either form of gravitational pole can explain the absence of sonic booms when these devices accelerate to hypersonic speeds. Paul Hill investigated this subject in significant detail in his book Unconventional Flying Objects, and others have expounded on this subject as well, including Dr. Hal Puthoff. But simply put, a repulsive gravitational field at the leading edge of an AAV would create a diffusive gradient in the atmospheric pressure ahead of the craft, preventing the localized compression of atmosphere that produces a sonic boom. And an attractive gravitational field ahead of the craft would create a gradient of compressed atmosphere ahead of the craft, like a pillow of air, which would also diffuse the compression region and also prevent a sonic boom. It’s the gradient itself, rather than its sign, which prevents the production of a sonic boom.

So it doesn’t matter how the gravitational field poles required for propulsion are produced – whether via a device inside the craft, or by the material of the hull itself; in either case the gravitational field will extend significantly beyond the craft (and drop off by the inverse cube law, because the field is dipolar in nature), thereby preventing the production of a sonic boom.
Even with the sonic boom point out of the way, This was magnificant brother. Thank you, :) This was like brain food.
 

Dejan Corovic

As above, so bellow
I strongly believe that if Big Data analysis techniques are applied to some 200,000 UFO witness testimonies we can extract useful information. Some pro scientists like astrophysicist Dr. Mark Rodeigher applied that Big Data analysis approach on UFO witness databases and extracted UN-touchable material proof that aliens are here.

Anyway, when one goes through large number of alien encounter stories, very strong trends that show up are that aliens really behave in these stories as if we are Neanderthals. Aliens see us exactly as the above paper "The Age Distribution of Potential Intelligent Life in the Milky Way." predicted. As always, anthropocentric hypothesis falls flat into the mud face first.

Solid fact of life is that we have evolved approx. 100,000 years ago from the nearest primate in the long line from chimps to us. In terms of Microsoft Windows, we are MS DOS. We are just the first in long line of species that will evolve from Homo Sapiens over the next million years. Not to mention that in the next 100 years we'll start pro-actively modifying our own evolution. And modifying our own genetics is not question of moral, it is a question of survival. If China does it and their soldiers are more intelligent and faster moving, will US stop to moralize or will it try to better the opponent. Moral was never a hindrance for evolution of species.

Now imagine where ETs are with 3.0+ billion years advantage.

One interesting, although somewhat fictional, account of alien abduction stated that aliens have brains that work completely in parallel. Like they had pictorial sign language where just one sentence was enough to describe a content of full feature movie in all the detail, down to type of shoelaces the main character was wearing.

I can't count how many times I read in UFO testimonials that alien speech is usually described by high frequency bird chirping, which makes a lots of sense. Their brains are faster, so they can speak faster to each other. Its biological fact that ordinary terrestrial flies think 6 times faster than humans, and corvids like crows are probably on order of 100% faster. Octopuses have 9 brains, one for each arm, plus one central brain. Their brains are completely designed to work in parallel, while we are stuck with ridiculously slow, more or less serial brain.

All I am saying is that what they say in UFO witness testimonials, it fits very well with 77% of intelligent ETs being 3.0+ billion years ahead of us.
 

Shadowprophet

Truthiness
I strongly believe that if Big Data analysis techniques are applied to some 200,000 UFO witness testimonies we can extract useful information. Some pro scientists like astrophysicist Dr. Mark Rodeigher applied that Big Data analysis approach on UFO witness databases and extracted UN-touchable material proof that aliens are here.

Anyway, when one goes through large number of alien encounter stories, very strong trends that show up are that aliens really behave in these stories as if we are Neanderthals. Aliens see us exactly as the above paper "The Age Distribution of Potential Intelligent Life in the Milky Way." predicted. As always, anthropocentric hypothesis falls flat into the mud face first.

Solid fact of life is that we have evolved approx. 100,000 years ago from the nearest primate in the long line from chimps to us. In terms of Microsoft Windows, we are MS DOS. We are just the first in long line of species that will evolve from Homo Sapiens over the next million years. Not to mention that in the next 100 years we'll start pro-actively modifying our own evolution. And modifying our own genetics is not question of moral, it is a question of survival. If China does it and their soldiers are more intelligent and faster moving, will US stop to moralize or will it try to better the opponent. Moral was never a hindrance for evolution of species.

Now imagine where ETs are with 3.0+ billion years advantage.

One interesting, although somewhat fictional, account of alien abduction stated that aliens have brains that work completely in parallel. Like they had pictorial sign language where just one sentence was enough to describe a content of full feature movie in all the detail, down to type of shoelaces the main character was wearing.

Even alien speech is usually described by high frequency bird chirping, which makes a lots of sense. Their brains are faster, so they can speak faster to each other. Its biological fact that ordinary terrestrial flies think 6 times faster than humans, and corvids like crows are probably on order of 100% faster. Octopuses have 9 brains, one for each arm, plus one central brain. Their brains are completely designed to work in parallel, while we are stuck with ridiculously slow, more or less serial brain.

Don't get me wrong, in all those Reports, All those cases, I believe there is real information in there, But, Imagine, A fantasy situation, You travel back in time by accident, A caveman sees you pull out your phone. To that caveman, What he saw was that you wielded fire in your hands like a God would, Any other description would escape him. So too, are eyewitness reports, They equate their experiences to things they can describe in words they understand, so even though they are convinced of what they saw. Was that really what they saw?

Did you really wield fire in your hand like a God that Day? To that Caveman, You did.
I'm not saying we are cavemen mind you, I'm simply saying, I think many things people see in those events are probably things they can't understand or explain. I could be wrong.

I mean we couldn't build an empirical report of your phone from that caveman's description of you using it. Idk, Maybe I'm over thinking it.
 
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Dejan Corovic

As above, so bellow
So that leaves us with gravitational time dilation, because that does provide us with a comprehensive understanding of the operation of these craft which was first posited by Hermann Bondi, and then developed further by Robert L. Forward and fully elucidated in the language of GR by Miguel Alcubierre (though it is worth noting that Alcubierre’s specific metric appears to be only one possible metric, and a fairly exotic one at that – nevertheless, it works mathematically).

Here is the latest on Alcubierr's drive from Alcubierre himself:



He's, kind off, shying away from warp drives. He's not aware that Dr. White had re-calculated his equations and found that we don't need Jupiter mass of negative mass, but that mass of ordinary family car would suffice.

But one thing Alcubierre said is that warp drives will have a horizon problem. Namely, the front of the drive, where positive mass spacetime pinch is, will be unreachable because time dilation problem. It will be physically impossible to steer the spaceship.

To that caveman, What he saw was that you wielded fire in your hands like a God would, Any other description would escape him. So too, are eyewitness reports, They equate their experiences to things they can describe in words they understand, so even though they are convinced of what they saw. Was that really what they saw?

Most of alien technology will be familiar to us. Once domination of the religious fervor subsided, we quite quickly covered quite impressive distance, scientifically speaking. In just last 100 years average Earthling's life span was doubled, from 31 to 65 years. In some 300 years, economy was transformed from 95% agriculture based, to 95% knowledge based. Witnesses are regularly reporting seeing computer screens, space suits, EM noise, plasma etc. that we are familiar with. Propulsion is really the biggest unknown.
 
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Shadowprophet

Truthiness
Here is the latest on Alcubierr's drive from Alcubierre himself:



He's, kind off, shying away from warp drives. He's not aware that Dr. White had re-calculated his equations and found that we don't need Jupiter mass of negative mass, but that mass of ordinary family car would suffice.

But one thing Alcubierre said is that warp drives will have a horizon problem. Namely, the front of the drive, where positive mass spacetime pinch is, will be unreachable because time dilation problem. It will be physically impossible to steer the spaceship.



Most of alien technology will be familiar to us. Once domination of the religious fervor subsided, we quite quickly covered quite impressive distance, scientifically speaking. Witnesses are regularly reporting seeing computer screens, space suits, EM noise, plasma etc. that we are familiar with. Propulsion is really the biggest unknown.

Maybe you're right, Maybe technology would evolve similarly for bipedal species, I'm just, I don't know. I tend to lean where Einstein leaned on the Extraterrestrial issue, But again this is just me. I believe an extraterrestrial civilization may be so different from us, that even communication wouldn't be possible, But that's just one train of thought on the issue, There are many.
 

Dejan Corovic

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Maybe you're right, Maybe technology would evolve similarly for bipedal species, I'm just, I don't know. I tend to lean where Einstein leaned on the Extraterrestrial issue, But again this is just me. I believe an extraterrestrial civilization may be so different from us, that even communication wouldn't be possible, But that's just one train of thought on the issue, There are many.

Communication is only difficult from less informed to more informed. From more informed to less informed it's piece of cake.
 
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humanoidlord

ce3 researcher
You said that 'plasma is pure' energy, which is not. Plasma is still just a matter, albeit a very hot matter, mixed in with lots of EM energy. Again, think Sun, Sun is all plasma, but it is actually a material object, mixed in with EM energy (as you call it: "pure energy"), which Sun emits into outer space.
yeah i did a simplified statement, i later corrected myself
 
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