humanoidlord
ce3 researcher
so in the end, the simplistic ETH cant explain all anomalies reported by witnesses, you can deny that those tetsimonies exist but the truth is that they do
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Dejan Corovic
As above, so bellow
Since I realized that only solution to UFO propulsion enigma that seamlessly combined physics with witness testimonies was in meta-materials I feverishly research all that I can find on that subject.
Essentially meta-materials are just meshes of waveguides. But, because energy of a wave is increasing with its frequency, smaller waveguides can manipulate higher wave energies and give one stronger propulsion. So if one can do waveguides on atomic or molecular scale he would end up with faster warp drive.
But such technology doesn't exist. It means that trillions of atoms need to be arranged into waveguides one by one. That would take hundreds of years for a matchbox sized UFO. IBM actually has such a machine, but they can only do about 100 x 100 atoms and it takes them a whole week. Usually done by aspiring Phd candidates ;-).
Than I realized that a there is a really funny solution to problem of scaling down metamaterial waveguides to atomic sizes. It's very simple.
Proteins are little biological machines which assemble all sorts of things that living cells need. There are even such things in living cells as protein rotary motors. We can modify biological proteins to assemble waveguides inside meta-materials to any shape we want. Actually I found an interview with a professor at Imperial college in London who suggested the same idea. Only he said that he can not get any biologists interested, it's not their thing.
Essentially, the surprising twist is, that the best and the most realistic technology to create impossible atomic scale meta-material waveguides is to genetically modify some cucumbers or tomatoes and grow Warp Drive Spaceship hulls right on a patch in your vegetable garden.
UNBELIEVABLE.
Essentially meta-materials are just meshes of waveguides. But, because energy of a wave is increasing with its frequency, smaller waveguides can manipulate higher wave energies and give one stronger propulsion. So if one can do waveguides on atomic or molecular scale he would end up with faster warp drive.
But such technology doesn't exist. It means that trillions of atoms need to be arranged into waveguides one by one. That would take hundreds of years for a matchbox sized UFO. IBM actually has such a machine, but they can only do about 100 x 100 atoms and it takes them a whole week. Usually done by aspiring Phd candidates ;-).
Than I realized that a there is a really funny solution to problem of scaling down metamaterial waveguides to atomic sizes. It's very simple.
Proteins are little biological machines which assemble all sorts of things that living cells need. There are even such things in living cells as protein rotary motors. We can modify biological proteins to assemble waveguides inside meta-materials to any shape we want. Actually I found an interview with a professor at Imperial college in London who suggested the same idea. Only he said that he can not get any biologists interested, it's not their thing.
Essentially, the surprising twist is, that the best and the most realistic technology to create impossible atomic scale meta-material waveguides is to genetically modify some cucumbers or tomatoes and grow Warp Drive Spaceship hulls right on a patch in your vegetable garden.
UNBELIEVABLE.
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Dejan Corovic
As above, so bellow
Actually, to be honest, vegetable plot is a bit to thick for an idea.
Most likely some kind of syrup well be created, with these genetically modified proteins will be created. That modified protein syrup will be the ultimate nano scale 3D printer. One would need a whole swimming pool size of this protein syrup. Then a powder containing metals for the alloy will be mixed into protein syrup. And maybe, infrared light will be used provide proteins with energy. Infra-red light can also be used to deliver instruction to these proteins.
Than 'the syrup' can get on with assembling UFO's hull into one seamless peace with no openings, just as UFO's hulls are.
Actually, that is recurring correlation in many witness testimonials. Witness frequently told how surprisingly smooth was the statecraft's hull, without any sims, welds or bolts. And that was on a spacecraft that was up to 300ft (100m) in diameter. In most cases UFO's hull was described as seamless mirror finish or gun metal.
Most likely some kind of syrup well be created, with these genetically modified proteins will be created. That modified protein syrup will be the ultimate nano scale 3D printer. One would need a whole swimming pool size of this protein syrup. Then a powder containing metals for the alloy will be mixed into protein syrup. And maybe, infrared light will be used provide proteins with energy. Infra-red light can also be used to deliver instruction to these proteins.
Than 'the syrup' can get on with assembling UFO's hull into one seamless peace with no openings, just as UFO's hulls are.
Actually, that is recurring correlation in many witness testimonials. Witness frequently told how surprisingly smooth was the statecraft's hull, without any sims, welds or bolts. And that was on a spacecraft that was up to 300ft (100m) in diameter. In most cases UFO's hull was described as seamless mirror finish or gun metal.
nivek
As Above So Below
This may be off topic but reading your post reminded me of what I've read about the Djinn, that they are hypothesized to be plasma beings, in a similar way as elemental beings, that Rudolph Steiner has wrote about in many of his lectures and books, exist in a different state or substance...
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CasualBystander
Celestial
Well...
All this speculation is good, but I'm not sure we really know what their physics is.
But imagine the impression an F22 would make on people in 1900.
Or a railgun.
And that is about 120 years of technology.
All this speculation is good, but I'm not sure we really know what their physics is.
But imagine the impression an F22 would make on people in 1900.
Or a railgun.
And that is about 120 years of technology.
humanoidlord
ce3 researcher
it isn't as much as the technology as is the behaviour of them
Kchoo
At Peace.
Casual Bystander has a great point though. We have come along ways in 120 years... and 120 more could be a huge leap in both tech, and behavior.
CasualBystander
Celestial
You can behave badly with bad technology.
You can behave badly with good technology.
Not sure what behavior has to do with technology.
humanoidlord
ce3 researcher
by "them" i mean the UFOnauts
pigfarmer
tall, thin, irritable
They most certainly do and the devil's in the details. The overwhelming majority strange things which are reported are facets of human nature - and these days there are more humans than ever with the ability to communicate virtually instantly. As Ruppelt put it we have a 'modern mythology' which can be instantly shared. Interesting. Fodder for sociologists and psychologists more than physicists.
But I understand why we want to reach for a physical, more readily understandable answer. Certainly no harm in it and we wouldn't be having this strange, slightly asynchronous conversation right now had very clever people not had the curiosity to delve into a host of new technologies. Well, there's that - the tech fallout and side benefit of decades of military brinksmanship, but that's another story.
I also understand why it could very well be a mistake to assume it's the only one. If we could just fast forward to the end of the show and when the curtain is drawn and the lights come up I bet that we'd all be surprised at whatever the 'real' answer is.
CasualBystander
Celestial
Probably should ask, what is ETH???
pigfarmer
tall, thin, irritable
Extra Terrestrial Hypothesis. Nuts and bolts flying saucers physically coming here from elsewhere
humanoidlord
ce3 researcher
ExtraTerrestrial Hypothesys
humanoidlord
ce3 researcher
agreed, the final reveal is going to shock a lot of people, specially the ones that claim they know all about UFOs
CasualBystander
Celestial
There are odd objects in the sky.
Without evidence, it isn't clear who is responsible.
1. Some is military/experimental/reconnaissance.
2. Some is something else.
Some could be conventional aliens, or interdimensional, or hidden local group or something.
I'm a big "shoot it down so we can see what it is" person.
pigfarmer
tall, thin, irritable
Yeah, but not sure that would be so easy to do. Commander Fravor would probably agree.
On another note, bring me a Bigfoot corpse - preferably scraped it off the front bumper of a Kenworth.
humanoidlord
ce3 researcher
same here, but whenever anybody has tryed to do that, the UFOs have always absorbed the bullet somehown
Nobody...or at least nobody in the public sector..."knows all about UFOs." So I don't know who you're talking about.
Although come to think of it, Lue Elizondo is now in the public sector and he has the kind of background as the Director of the AATIP to have seen far, far better (read: classified) evidence pertaining to UFO/AAV incidents via military channels, than anyone else in this field.
And the assessment reached by the AATIP concluded that these are technological devices of unknown origin that routinely exhibit five very advanced signature performance characteristics. But there's little room for doubt that much earlier military research efforts reached the same conclusion, and for excellent reasons.
Clearly we're dealing with a phenomenon of an advanced and most likely non-human technological nature. That immediately points to the ETH as the simplest and most rational explanation, and several fields of science have provided a wealth of empirical data that supports the ETH in recent decades. When multiple scientific disciplines converge on one logical explanation over a prolonged time period, then your hypothesis gets elevated to a true scientific theory. The ETH is no longer a mere hypothesis - it's now a full-fledged scientific theory. Not a single line of evidence or reasoning poses a credible challenge to its basic tenets.
I'm sure that other things are happening in the sky from time to time - advanced military research prototypes navigating through public airspace for unknown reasons, exotic atmospheric phenomena that remain undiscovered, or perhaps interstellar squids of some kind that drop by for a gulp of our ozone. Any number of rare and weird things could beguile us primitives staring up at the skies in wonder.
I suppose it's remotely possible that we occasionally receive visitors from other universes - though the lack of evidence for the existence of such universe should be troubling to proponents of this notion. But here's the point that exposes many proponents of this idea as analytically inept minds:
If intelligent life can arise in entirely different universes and make the trip to our planet, then it's flagrantly obvious that intelligent life can also arise elsewhere in our own universe and make the much simpler journey to our planet.
So if you believe that interdimensional beings are travelling here, and yet don't believe that interstellar beings are travelling here, then you're an idiot. Because the latter is clearly a smaller hurdle both logically and technologically, than the former.
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CasualBystander
Celestial
USE BIGGER ONES!!!
pigfarmer
tall, thin, irritable
Gee, I thought it was '40s vintage vacuum tube driven radar tech that brought them down.