Ben Moss's ridiculous claims about Socorro

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  1. Standingstones

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    I believe that Stanford did the research for himself alone. He never had any intention of sharing with the community. If you happened to show up at his door and sweet talked him, he might let you see some of his photos. There are people like him out there. He would rather burn it all than share. As he is in his 80s, I doubt he will be changing his tune. He’s just a crotchety person and the world be damned.
     
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  2. pigfarmer

    pigfarmer tall, thin, irritable

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    He's not actually 'doing' much of anything these days. Have a look at Amazon at some of the books he's written - years ago - and you'll get the gist.

    It's been some time since I read it last but X-Descending by Chris Lambright is the only other book I'm aware of other than Greg Bishop's Project Beta that deals with the Paul Bennewitz. There is a reference to a secret project that Bennewitz may have stumbled upon involving laser systems that can accelerate small payloads. He makes a connection to the photos/video RS has and the work of Leik Myrabo who (I think) patented some sort of laser propulsion system for small payloads.

    Chris Lambright – X Descending, Paul Bennewitz, and the Air Force

    As for RS and his evidence I say oh good, I can't wait because more photos & video will conclusively end the debate.

    Doesn't 'laser propulsion system' sound very much like 'Beamed Energy Propulsion Launch Systems' that TTSA was talking about to launch cubesats?
     
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  3. humanoidlord

    humanoidlord ce3 researcher

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    then why din't he keep the existence of the pictures a secret?
     
  4. humanoidlord

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    does he ever show any picture he has taken in any of them?
    man, i could swear i saw some of the pictures he took a while ago and they weren't too interesting, just blurry comet shaped objects in the sky
    weren't the technology that they were hiding from paul bennewitz, stealth planes?
    as i have said these pictures i remenber weren't particulary interesting, in fact i know a lot of better pictures in the public domain out there
    those are the exact same thing, i can't see what it does have to do with UFOs though
     
  5. humanoidlord

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    or maybe the picture i remenber seeing was that illustration from the book x descending
     
  6. pigfarmer

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    Yes, that was part of it. High energy laser systems were also part of it - something to do with the presence of big long tunnels that were already in place at either Kirtland or Manzano or maybe both. I don't recall RS being a direct part of that story but I did hear him on the Paracast speak about observing certain characteristics from examining high quality video/photos that he took himself of 'AAVs' or whatever you'd like to call it. Near Houston I think - he said he was with his kids out on a pier. Leik Myrabo was an aerospace engineer teaching at RPI who apparently gained some traction from Stanford's assessment and is a credible scientist who later published papers on beamed energy propulsion systems.

    Could be, wabbit. I probably shouldn't be going on about things I half remember but WTF, it's Christmas!

    Here's my two cents after a couple of stiff egg nogs:

    The development of stealth technology began in WW2 and hasn't stopped since so I can't imagine various other things on the military agenda have either. Research into high energy laser systems developed during the latter part of the Cold War have continued for the purposes of missile defense and radical alternative methods of payload delivery and control. Like everything else it's become smaller, less energy intensive and much more capable. I also think it isn't out of the realm of possibility that we are being visited and that we might just be able to glean useful info through observation. Like watching birds and developing notions about flying machines.

    Unfortunately the one who may have made useful observations has also had a few little chats with Jesus and had friends who claimed to have made contact with aliens named 'Orthon'. Kind of like a man who is so clever he invented nonsense to queer his own possibly valid observations; he is his own disinformation campaign.
     
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  7. Rick Hunter

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    Having listened to a few interviews of Ray, I get the vibe that he believes that what he has discovered is incredibly important but no one takes it seriously, so he he is willing to take it to the grave with him.
     
  8. humanoidlord

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    thats a incredibly asshole-ish prospect IMO
     
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  9. nivek

    nivek As Above So Below

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    I think that kind of scenario happens often throughout the centuries, unfortunately...

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  10. Rick Hunter

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    That's what he acted like in his last Podcast UFO interview.
     
  11. humanoidlord

    humanoidlord ce3 researcher

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    i don't get what he is doing, just show the pictures already!
    why did he even say they exist if he din't want attention?
     
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  12. Rick Hunter

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    Who knows!
     
  13. Creepy Green Light

    Creepy Green Light Don't mistake lack of talent for genius

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    You're exactly right. Ben did have a partner named Tony Angiola. I don't believe one word between the three of them - Ben, Tony & Ray.
     
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  14. Creepy Green Light

    Creepy Green Light Don't mistake lack of talent for genius

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    He's a nut job that used to be roommates with George Adamski (famous UFO fraudster). So right there - that says enough for me. But on top of that, he used to claim to be able to channel Jesus Christ and time travel. One of the stories is that he was late getting to the airport to pick someone up but used his secret time travel technique (flux capacitor?) to make it to the airport on time. Stanford is a total quack.
     
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  15. Creepy Green Light

    Creepy Green Light Don't mistake lack of talent for genius

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    You hit the nail on the head. Agreed.
     
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  16. humanoidlord

    humanoidlord ce3 researcher

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    what i find bizzare is that it seems like he is hoaxing for fun, he never gained profit from it
     
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  17. Creepy Green Light

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    I think in the grand scheme of things, a lot of people fake stuff for the thrill of it. Kind of like people that are well off that shop lift. They do it for the "rush".
     
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  18. Creepy Green Light

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    Could you imagine if yourself or one of us took daylight pictures of a structured craft with landing gear extended, then bragged about it online & on podcasts, then when asked to see see the pictures - say "What do you mean? I'm not showing them to anybody." ?
     
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  19. humanoidlord

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    a 80 year old man doing that?
     
  20. humanoidlord

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    i would never do that
     
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