Bob Lazar and Area 51

Sheltie

Fratty and out of touch.
Security for the A-Bomb was shit Is it because some commie spies got some info?

Yep, pretty much.

There was a documentary about the Manhattan Project on TV a while back. It was eventually revealed that the Russians had not one, but two spies working with the US on the project. This is how they were able to build a bomb so quickly.
 

Castle-Yankee54

Celestial
Yep, pretty much.

There was a documentary about the Manhattan Project on TV a while back. It was eventually revealed that the Russians had not one, but two spies working with the US on the project. This is how they were able to build a bomb so quickly.

Klaus Fuchs and David Greenglass........Ethels brother.
 

Sheltie

Fratty and out of touch.
Regardless of how we may feel about Bob Lazar, you have to concede the guy is pretty intelligent. For the govt to have set him up as a serviceable patsy would have required an elaborate operation. It's hard to imagine the DOD expending such a tremendous amount of resources on someone like him.
 

Sheltie

Fratty and out of touch.
Klaus Fuchs and David Greenglass........Ethels brother.

It makes sense, though. Our biggest concern was liberating Europe and Asia from the fascists. We didn't have time to pay a lot of attention to people (the Russians) who were ostensibly our allies.
 

Castle-Yankee54

Celestial
It makes sense, though. Our biggest concern was liberating Europe and Asia from the fascists. We didn't have time to pay a lot of attention to people (the Russians) who were ostensibly our allies.

Yup....that's why we took a chance on scientists with communist sympathies.
 

Castle-Yankee54

Celestial
He was only asked twice in the video. I don't have any other references or knowledge him being asked. Longer version the interviewer talks about scientific questions, if there are any other ways for power besides nuclear fusion/fission.. this is the context preceding asking about Lazar.

Armstrong/Aldrin get asked hundreds of times, all the time, the stupid question if they really went to the moon.

Yes conspiracy nutcases have kept asking Aldrin if the really landed on the moon and they both were tired of it. Do you think this conspiracy person interviewing Teller is the only nutcase to ask him that question?
 

Area201

cold fusion
Yes conspiracy nutcases have kept asking Aldrin if the really landed on the moon and they both were tired of it. Do you think this conspiracy person interviewing Teller is the only nutcase to ask him that question?

Idk I doubt many people got to interview him though, and he didn't live much longer after 1990. I would estimate much fewer.
 

humanoidlord

ce3 researcher
His sports model UFO is pretty cool. Looks a lot like Billy Meier's Beamship actually.

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where do you think lazar got the idea?
 

humanoidlord

ce3 researcher
Question is, when where these paintings made? the photos show a varied look of saucers, inconsistent - up to and including the garbage can lid hoaxes. If these paintings above were made later than 1990/Lazar's account made public, then the artist could be bias and influenced by Lazar. The earlier saucers in pics, don't look exactly like the "sport model" so I find it suspicious.

This one is more like the Lazar sports model.
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they were made early 80's at the request of wendelle stevens
 

humanoidlord

ce3 researcher
So many things here. Such an interesting case - #1 in ufology in my opinion.

Some of the comments attributed to Lazar in the books linked, I've never heard before. I've listened to all his interviews with George Knapp, whom he chose to talk to as recently as 2015. I'm googling the authors of those books, but not sure how accurate those quotes are. Lazar is elaborating certain parts of the story beyond his original in them.

Here he's quoted as explaining that bullets by a security agent started the confrontation with the aliens and that many people including scientist died... yet in previous videos by Lazar he says the scientists specifically in his program died from experimenting opening up one of the power sources extracted from the recovered saucer. So these two seem to contradict one another.

Also he originally never said where the conflict took place, for him it was "just words on paper" that he relayed to us. He didn't say where. It was a report he read, that was told would be related to the craft's occupants.

Another quote: Lazar said the containers were “extremely, extremely unique” and that they were “very difficult to find.”

I don't know if this is actually said by Lazar from the book linked, but correspond with what teachings that resonate with truth for me. This has to do with the fact that souls evolve from enhabiting lower forms of life, and the human form in present form is at an advanced state for full "awakening".

"No; man's body is precious. It has the highest evolutionary value because of unique brain and spinal centers. These enable the advanced devotee to fully grasp and express the loftiest aspects of divinity. No lower form is so equipped." - Sri Yukteswar

Grant Cameron says he was set up for a managed disclosure effort. This is mainly due to him believing Lazar being asked question about John Leer (who believes pretty much anything and easy dis info feed). By associating with Leer, they could easily package him with Leer's wacky and false ideas, so Lazar would not be taken as seriously, if he became a whistleblower. They had a back up plan to manage him. He sidestepped Leer and went to Knapp instead however. What remains is the bogus degrees mentioned.

My assessment is that they had protocols in place in case he went public, not because it was the original plan. Reason for this is that Lazar's story brought much attention to Nellis and people lining up at "UFO Highway". why would they want to kill their ability to test the saucers in secret? I think that Edward Teller chose Bob for purpose as an out of box technician to reverse engineer the recovered Greys craft - not for dis info. They just had protocols in place for management if he did go public.

Latest whistleblower Emory Smith talks about the biological study of ET bodies at locations by Dulce, and that Dulce is a real DUMB. This is also mentioned by Phil Schneider, parts of his story may be real. If UFOs crashed or were shot down, they had inhabitants, and they made bases to study them. Bob Lazar, Emory Smith, and Phil Schneider all mention this as real - independently.

My computer will shut down now; maybe come back on later.

Looking forward Jeremy Corbelle's documentary Cosmic Whistleblower

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nope its not real, he makes a bunch of physics mistakes and there are the contradictions like you mentioned
 

Area201

cold fusion
huh what are you talking about?

I'm talking about a pay stub.

Witness accounts - Gene Huff and Lazar's ex-wife witnessed several aspect of Lazar's story, from seeing the actual W2 form or having MIB/security agents show up at their house, etc. The debunkers also have to peg both as collaborators in the plot to make up a ufo story. This is a very elaborate tale with parties to go along with the ufo story that makes their life difficult and garnishes no money.

There's another researcher, who is a military personnel, (I don't have his name atm) he says he tried to investigate the suspicious office of "US Dept of naval intelligence", he went and was told never to come back and ask about it again. Anecdotal evidence? Yes. But again he would also have to be making up a story. It gets more far-fetched to believe everyone of these people are making sh*t up as we move along. I suspect S4 has been closed down and moved somewhere else, after the flock of people came to see what's going on.

If Lazar is a planted dis-info guy, they really did a stupid thing and have to move their operations, buy up more land etc. If Lazar is a hoaxter/story teller, there's a bunch of witnesses who had to go along with the story. What's more far-fetched, the story or the skeptics long list of calling out everyone involved a BSer? I ask. Answer - the skeptics side.

"Around this same time, Bob received his first paycheck for one week’s pay even though the days had never been worked consecutively. The check was for $958.11. Bob showed me the check and I remember commenting that I thought that a senior staff physicist, which was Bob’s position, would have been paid more than that. He proceeded to tell me how underpaid scientists were and I later found out that was true. I think I was the only one, other than Bob, to ever see that check. He had his eye on some electronic equipment so he decided to buy it and not tell Tracy that the check had ever arrived. In later years when people questioned Bob’s W-2, I knew it was actual because, even though I didn’t remember the exact amount, I knew that it was nine hundred and fifty or sixty bucks which showed me that Bob’s W-2 reflected the money actually received. Later, when he left the program, the government still owed him for some time worked, a bill which remains unpaid to this day.

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AboveTopSecret - though mixed with some good info for sure, is heavily bias and shown to be infiltrated or at least heavily influenced by military/Pentagon.
 
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Castle-Yankee54

Celestial
I'd say he worked at Day and Zimmerman for a couple weeks at most. Even if he was at Grooms Dry Lake he didn't work there long enough to learn much. I made that in less that 2 weeks making $8.50 an hour.
 

Castle-Yankee54

Celestial
we are talking about the painting which looks like the "sport model" not when meier's story started. his early photos predating lazar don't match it so exactly, general in appearance saucers

Yes I know.....its probably because bobby changed them so as not to plagerize them.
 

Area201

cold fusion
He died in 2003.

thanks I was in car unable to look up date. still until someone shows me more instances of Teller being asked about Lazar, I'm going to assume this was the only time. the ball is in skeptics side. as of now he is on record pleading the 5th. that is telling.
 
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