Dejan Corovic
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There will never be full UFO disclosure. UFOs are way above JFK. UFOs are protected by the inner sanctum of the military-industrial complex.
pigfarmer
tall, thin, irritable
I wasn't being very serious and no, I don't actually expect anyone to roll back a hangar door any time soon.
Were I to be I'd ask 'what the hell would still need to be classified about JFK after all these years ?' This could be a matter of decorum as there are people still alive who were involved. I'd think so anyway except they would be older than the dirt outside by now. If RFK Jr is OK with its release then release it. I have no idea what other family members might say ( pssst ... I don't actually care .....)
Would it be a stretch right now to find out the Secret Service wasn't on their game that day ? Hell, there were probably sloped roofs everywhere. Dealy Plaza isn't pool table flat either, how could they possibly be expected to operate in such an extreme environment?
Hearing that it was an inside job from someone inside government that hated his guts would also not be surprising. Seems to me the current atmosphere is about as 'right' as it is ever going to get to reveal that sort of thing, but that's just guessing.
The shadow
The shadow knows!
I was wondering why none have been shot down yet .
pigfarmer
tall, thin, irritable
From what I've read the FBI produced no clear winner, it sounded like what we heard in the news cycle was what they said. Even if they were telling us the literal truth about misidentification (which is believable) the credibility of the previous administration meant it wouldn't be believe by more than half the country right from the git-go. I also heard DT direct his Chief of Staff to 'find out about it' so I imagine we will find out ourselves at some point
Look, I live near an airport and wouldn't be too happy about idiots taking potshots at random at whatever they thought deserved it. C'mon over and I'll show you the bullet hole in the back of my house because someone discharged a weapon and you know, what goes up .......
That said, if they were flying over military bases - big military bases - you'd think the odds of bringing one down safely would be much higher with far less risk to the general public. A policy of 'if you fly it here you won't get it back' would be the one I'd opt for no matter the source.
nivek
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Trump orders the release of the final JFK assassination documents
The last secret files about the assassination of John F. Kennedy can now be published after President Donald Trump on Thursday ordered the declassification of all remaining documents about the 1963 murder. Conspiracy theories continue to swirl 60 years after the killing. And any new information will excite the amateur sleuths who continue to wonder whether there is more to the story than just a lone gunman in the shape of Lee Harvey Oswald.Trump signed an executive order that directs his Director of National Intelligence to put together a plan within 15 days for the full release of documents about the JFK assassination. 'More than 50 years after the assassinations of President John F. Kennedy, Senator Robert F. Kennedy, and the Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., the Federal Government has not released to the public all of its records related to those events,' reads the Executive Order, obtained by DailyMail.com. Their families and the American people deserve transparency and truth. It is in the national interest to finally release all records related to these assassinations without delay.'
His intelligence chiefs will have 45 days to put together a plan to release the RFK and King archives. Millions of pages of JFK documents have already been released leaving only a few thousand kept in the archives.
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nivek
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JFK's grandson issues stern message to Trump after decision to release classified Kennedy assassination files
Jack Schlossberg issued a harsh rebuke to Donald Trump after his order to declassify all remaining documents about the 1963 murder of Schlossberg's grandfather, former President John F. Kennedy.Schlossberg, JFK's only grandson and a social media darling, took to X to furiously criticize the files' release and the hype over the information finally coming out.
'The truth is a lot sadder than the myth — a tragedy that didn’t need to happen,' Schlossberg wrote Thursday.
The liberal journalist and lawyer then criticized President Trump for using his grandfather's death to score political points.
'Not part of an inevitable grand scheme. Declassification is using JFK as a political prop, when he’s not here to punch back. There’s nothing heroic about it.'
Conspiracy theories - which is how Schlossberg labeled what those interested in the files wanted to find out about - continue to swirl 60 years after the killing.
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nivek
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You would think the family would like to know what happened too...Doesn't seem to be the case though by what his grandson states above...
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pigfarmer
tall, thin, irritable
IIRC RFK Jr was a teenager when his father was killed, Caroline was just a little kid when JFK got whacked. I don't know anything about MLK's family but my point is that if the surviving children have opinions we should at least listen to them. Maybe they should be allowed to see the material first, IDK but it is part of the national historical record.
Historically speaking you want to keep a secret burn all that **** immediately. Worked for FDR, mostly.
This snotnose is what, 32? My wristwatch is older than that and his grandfather had been worm food almost that long before this yutz was even born. Really now, who is he accusing of smearing someone as a political stunt? Good god where's he been?
I'll believe all this when I see it.
nivek
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FBI finds secret JFK assassination records after Trump order
The FBI just discovered about 2,400 records tied to President Kennedy's assassination that were never provided to a board tasked with reviewing and disclosing the documents, Axios has learned. The still-secret records are contained in 14,000 pages of documents the FBI found in a review triggered by President Trump's Jan. 23 executive order demanding the release of all JFK assassination records.Why it matters:
The discovery — 61 years after Kennedy was killed in Dallas — follows decades of government reluctance to release all documents related to the assassination, which fueled a mountain of conspiracy theories. The existence of the new documents was disclosed Friday to the White House, when the Office of the Director of National Intelligence submitted its plan to disclose the assassination records under Trump's order.
Zoom in:
The contents of the newly found records are closely held secrets. The three sources who relayed their existence to Axios said they hadn't seen the documents. But the discovery of thousands of records on one of the most scrutinized events in U.S. history is likely to raise questions about the procedures for vetting and releasing information across the entire government.
"This is huge. It shows the FBI is taking this seriously," said Jefferson Morley, an expert on the assassination and vice president of the nonpartisan Mary Ferrell Foundation, the nation's largest source of online records of Kennedy's killing. He sued the U.S. government for more records. "The FBI is finally saying, 'Let's respond to the president's order,' instead of keeping the secrecy going," Morley said.
Reality check:
The remaining records to be disclosed — as well as the newly discovered tranche of 2,400 reports — are unlikely to definitively prove whether Lee Harvey Oswald was the lone-wolf assassin or was part of a broader conspiracy, experts say.
Catch up quick:
Under the 1992 JFK Records Act, assassination records were supposed to be handed over to the JFK Assassination Records Review Board and then to the National Archives. The archive maintains a collection of documents that were supposed to be fully disclosed in 2017. Administration officials determined these newly discovered records hadn't been submitted to or vetted by the assassination review board or the National Archives.
When Trump was president in 2017, he delayed disclosure of the records the government had identified, on the advice of the CIA. President Biden then ordered limited releases of records that still didn't fully comply with the spirit of the JFK Records Act. Government secrecy advocates argued to Trump and Biden that full disclosure of the assassination documents could compromise "sources and methods" of intelligence gathering, and unfairly implicate officials involved in the controversy.
The big picture:
Trump has regretted for years not releasing all the JFK records in his first term, according to those who have discussed the matter with him. During the 2024 campaign, Trump promised his supporters and Robert F. Kennedy Jr., the late president's nephew, that he'd release the records on JFK's assassination in 1963, as well as those related to the 1968 killing of Kennedy's father, Robert F. Kennedy.
RFK Jr., named by Trump to be Health and Human Services secretary, has called for full disclosure for years, and believes both assassinations were part of a broader conspiracy. Trump's order calls for a plan to release assassination records of RFK and the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. by March 9.
"PRESIDENT TRUMP IS ENDING THE ENDLESS DELAYS," a White House fact sheet issued Jan. 23 says: "President Trump promised during his campaign to release assassination records to give Americans the truth."
What's next:
Despite Trump's order, sources say, the various intelligence agencies with records of the assassination are still recommending redactions. "When POTUS hears about this stonewalling, he's gonna hit the roof," a White House official told Axios. "This is total Deep State bulls**t," said another. "Don't be surprised if all these records just suddenly wind up online," a Trump adviser said. "He wants to move on and call this a promise kept."
The intrigue:
The newly discovered FBI files could have relevance in the ongoing federal lawsuit filed by the Mary Ferrell Foundation against the Biden administration in 2022. It alleges federal agencies had more documents related to the assassination that they weren't turning over to the National Archives.
They include:
Jailhouse recordings of mobster Carlos Marcello, who claimed he was involved in the assassination. CIA files of George Joannides. He was the chief of covert action at the CIA station in Miami and was a case officer for a New Orleans-based CIA-funded exile group that had a series of encounters with Oswald before the shooting. Joannides also was accused of misleading a House committee investigating the assassination by failing to disclose his ties to Oswald. "The Joannides file sounds exactly like the newly discovered FBI files," Morley said. "It's something assassination-related that was never turned over to the Archives."
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nivek
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Trump says ALL JFK assassination files totaling over 80,000 pages will be released tomorrow
President Donald Trump revealed all remaining 80,000 pages of secret JFK assassination files will be released on Tuesday.He said the massive trove is 'interesting' but gave little hint of what will be in it, leaving conspiracy theorists on tenterhooks.
Trump said: 'We are tomorrow announcing and giving all of the Kennedy files...people have been waiting for decades for this.
'That's going to be released tomorrow. We have a tremendous amount of paper. You've got a lot of reading.'
He added: 'I don't believe we are are going to redact anything. I said just don't redact. You can't redact. But we're going to be releasing the JFK files.'
Trump made the announcement during a two-hour visit to the John F. Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts in Washington D.C.
He had spoken about releasing the JFK files during his first term in office but thousands remained under seal. Then, he signed an executive order in January to declassify the remaining files.
Trump said they would come out 'tomorrow afternoon.'
Asked if he had reviewed the documents, or would provide an executive summary, Trump added: 'I've heard about them. It's going to be very interesting.'
He said about 80,000 pages of material would come out.
'It's a lot of stuff, and you'll make your own determination,' he said inside the Kennedy Center.
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nivek
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JFK assassination files' 15 huge 'bombshells', including secret Jackie letter and missing 'conspiracy' footage
Donald Trump's release of the remaining JFK assassination files could contain 15 huge revelations, including a private letter Jackie Kennedy wrote to President Lyndon Johnson after her husband's death and missing 'conspiracy' footage.The president has ordered all remaining 80,000 pages of secret JFK assassination files to be released Tuesday afternoon.
He described the massive trove as 'interesting' and though he has previously said it would be unredacted, he gave little hint of what will be in it, leaving conspiracy theorists on tenterhooks.
Missing footage
The new files could include a missing original home movie of the assassination taken by bystander Orville Nix on November 22, 1963, according to the JFK Facts newsletter by leading expert on the assassination Jefferson Morley.
Dallas maintenance worker Orville Nix sold the film which he shot from Dealey Plaza to the UPI news agency on December 6, 1963, with the understanding that the footage, delivered to the FBI five days earlier, would be returned to his family after 25 years. But the film, which was initially obtained by the Warren Commission and subpoenaed 15 years later by the House Select Committee on Assassinations, was never returned.
According to Nix’s granddaughter Gayle Jackson, the film shows the infamous grassy knoll from which many believe a second shooter may have operated, as well as Abraham Zapuder who shot his own 26 second 8mm footage of the assassination from across the street.
Officials at the Sixth Floor Museum at Dealey Plaza claim that Zapruder’s film has greater historical value because it shows the entirety of the shooting, as opposed to Nix's and two others that capture only part of it, but many believe the missing footage could actually reveal more.
Jackie's letters to LBJ
Five ‘very personal letters of Mrs. Kennedy’ to President Lyndon Johnson are believed to be among the soon-to-be released files. The first lady always maintained that she did not believe the official conclusion that her husband was targeted by a lone gunman. The letters, written in 1963, could offer the first real glimpse into Jackie Kennedy’s understanding of the assassination.
Miami's CIA files
According to Morley, the new documents could include files on George Joannides, Then Chief of Covert Action at the CIA's station in Miami, Joannides funded the Student Revolutionary Directorate, a group of Cuban exiles whose officers had contact with Oswald in the weeks before he shot the president.
Cuban assassin's records
Several missing CIA files believed to be among the documents could offer new insight into how the agency operated in the weeks before Kennedy’s death.
The summary of CIA surveillance operations monitoring Oswald in Mexico City before the assassination could give insight into how the CIA spied on the killer for six weeks before he shot Kennedy dead.
Meanwhile the transcript of the testimony of Counterintelligence Chief James Angleton, who had Oswald on his radar for four years, could reveal whether foreign agents were used in this endeavor.
The missing CIA files of Cuban assassin Herminio Diaz Garcia and travel records of CIA assassination chief, William K. Harvey, could also prove vital to a fuller understanding of what happened.
New Orleans paramilitary agents
The list of top-secret CIA paramilitary agents operating in New Orleans when Oswald was there are thought to be part of the release, as well as the FBI file and tapes of New Orleans crime boss Carlos Marcello.
Moreover, the operational and travel records of CIA officers Emilio Rodriguez, Anthony Sforza, and David Atlee Phillips could also provide information on what the CIA knew about Oswald.
JFK's Secretary's CIA memo
A secret memo on a potential ‘CIA Reorganization,’ written by Kennedy's speechwriter and adviser Arthur Schlesinger Jr could be among the most explosive inclusion in the files.
The Dallas Police Department mug shots of Lee Harvey Oswald following his arrest over the JFK assassination. Oswald claimed he was a 'patsy'.
U.S. President Donald Trump holds a signed executive order in the Oval Office of the White House, in Washington, U.S., January 23, 2025.
It was written shortly after the disastrous Bay of Pigs invasion of Cuba and around the time Kennedy declared his intention to 'splinter the CIA into a thousand pieces and scatter it into the winds.'
Many have speculated that high-level CIA insiders either orchestrated JFK's assassination or turned a blind eye to its planning in a bid to get rid of the president and protect the agency.
While some of the five-page memo has been released, one-and-a-half pages remain redacted. 'The page is about why JFK was alienated from the CIA, that's very important,' Morley told DailyMail.com.
JFK Whistleblower Report
According to Morley, the files could also include the report by CIA Inspector General on the House Select Committee on Assassinations, which could provide insight into whether CIA officials showed an 'intent to deceive' Congress regarding the probe.
President Trump announced his plan to release the files during a two-hour visit to the John F. Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts in Washington D.C on Monday.
He had spoken about releasing the JFK files during his first term in office but thousands remained under seal. Then, in January, he signed an executive order to declassify the remaining documents.
Making his announcement at the beginning of the week Trump promised that the trove would come out 'tomorrow afternoon.' Asked if he had reviewed the documents, or would provide an executive summary, Trump added: 'I've heard about them. It's going to be very interesting.'
He said about 80,000 pages of material would come out. According to the president, 'It's a lot of stuff, and you'll make your own determination.'
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nivek
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Trump administration begins releasing JFK assassination files
(Excerpt)As of Tuesday night, over 1,123 unredacted documents – totaling roughly 80,000 pages – are visible on the National Archive's website. The files can be viewed by clicking this link.
"Additional documents withheld under court seal or for grand jury secrecy, and records subject to section 6103 of the Internal Revenue Code, must be unsealed before release. NARA is working with the Department of Justice to expedite the unsealing of these records," Gabbard said in a separate statement. "Grand juries from many years ago have already seen them, so most of this information is already out, but regardless of this, this information will be immediately released upon the direction of the Court."
Some redactions will be made to documents released in the future, despite the President's earlier statements, a source familiar with the matter told Fox News. Redactions will include personal information such as Social Security numbers of those cited in the documents and "live assets in Cuba," the source said.
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nivek
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JFK assassination files show 'conspiracy theory' pushed by Trump is 'TRUE'... as bombshell dossier is highlighted by law scholar
The JFK assassination files prove that the 'deep state' is real and not just a conspiracy theory pushed by President Trump and others, a famed journalist says. Glenn Greenwald highlighted a warning about the CIA's operations issued by President Kennedy's top adviser in 1961 which appears in the newly released dossier.In a 15 page memo, Arthur Schlesinger called for the intelligence agency to be disbanded, referring to it as a 'state within a state'.
'No one knows how many potential problems for US foreign policy — and how much potential friction with friendly states — are being created at this moment by CIA clandestine intelligence operation,' Schlesinger wrote. The term 'deep state' refers to the idea that there is a shadowy group of influential people, typically embedded within official agencies, who are manipulating government policy.
It has been pushed by the likes of President Donald Trump, who previously laid out a 10-step plan to 'dismantle the deep state'.
Sceptics have dismissed the idea as paranoid fantasy, but Greenwald, who has a track record of breaking big stories, pointed to Schlesinger's memo as evidence of the concept. 'Liberals spent years screeching that anyone talking about 'the Deep State' was spewing fringe conspiracy theories, as if Sean Hannity invented the term,' he wrote, referencing the conservative Fox newscaster.
'Meanwhile, JFK's top adviser -- a year after Eisenhower's 1960 warning -- warned the CIA had become "a state within a state".'
The revelation will no doubt refuel JFK assassination conspiracy theorists, who have long posited that the CIA either orchestrated the president's murder or turned a blind eye after becoming aware he was considering disbanding the agency.
More than 63,000 pages of records related to the 1963 assassination of President Kennedy were released Tuesday following an order by Trump. The U.S. National Archives and Records Administration posted to its website roughly 2,200 files containing the documents.
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Dejan Corovic
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JFK assassination files show 'conspiracy theory' pushed by Trump is 'TRUE'... as bombshell dossier is highlighted by law scholar
The JFK assassination files prove that the 'deep state' is real and not just a conspiracy theory pushed by President Trump and others, a famed journalist says. Glenn Greenwald highlighted a warning about the CIA's operations issued by President Kennedy's top adviser in 1961 which appears in the newly released dossier.
In a 15 page memo, Arthur Schlesinger called for the intelligence agency to be disbanded, referring to it as a 'state within a state'.
'No one knows how many potential problems for US foreign policy — and how much potential friction with friendly states — are being created at this moment by CIA clandestine intelligence operation,' Schlesinger wrote. The term 'deep state' refers to the idea that there is a shadowy group of influential people, typically embedded within official agencies, who are manipulating government policy.
It has been pushed by the likes of President Donald Trump, who previously laid out a 10-step plan to 'dismantle the deep state'.
Sceptics have dismissed the idea as paranoid fantasy, but Greenwald, who has a track record of breaking big stories, pointed to Schlesinger's memo as evidence of the concept. 'Liberals spent years screeching that anyone talking about 'the Deep State' was spewing fringe conspiracy theories, as if Sean Hannity invented the term,' he wrote, referencing the conservative Fox newscaster.
'Meanwhile, JFK's top adviser -- a year after Eisenhower's 1960 warning -- warned the CIA had become "a state within a state".'
The revelation will no doubt refuel JFK assassination conspiracy theorists, who have long posited that the CIA either orchestrated the president's murder or turned a blind eye after becoming aware he was considering disbanding the agency.
More than 63,000 pages of records related to the 1963 assassination of President Kennedy were released Tuesday following an order by Trump. The U.S. National Archives and Records Administration posted to its website roughly 2,200 files containing the documents.
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Yeah, but so far nothing concrete had came out?
nivek
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Not sure, I haven't been following this all that close and have not looked at the documents...I was looking forward to seeing something come out in the news that would be surprising...
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Dejan Corovic
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View: https://youtu.be/OQGSmYSaKiA
Testimony of the doctor who examined Kenedy's body. He didn't even blink but he said that x2 bullets came from the front and x2 from the back. But its a bit confusing, he first two bullets came out of "window", then he said three bullets came out. Then he said two bullets our of four came from the front. Can somebody make sense out of this.
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pigfarmer
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I can offer my opinion just as Dr.Curtis offered his. The title says 'tried to save' but the man stated JFK was already dead when he arrived at the hospital.
He's a medical professional, not a ballistics expert and is drawing conclusions that can easily be disputed. As I've said before in this thread many times the shots from the Book Depository were relatively straightforward from a rifle shooter's p.o.v, excepting of course the adrenaline rush anybody conducting an assassination must feel. I believe the FBI located the errant fourth shot much later and it wasn't in a curb it was through a road sign that later impacted the overpass.
I'm not a medical professional so I wouldn't dispute his findings in that area nor am I a ballistics expert. But probably unlike him I've fired tens of thousands of round of ammo and can state with perfect sincerity 'bullets do weird shit sometimes'. I've dug them out of earth and gravel berms and stacks of old magazines perfectly intact but for the rifling, I could probably reload them. Sometimes you simply find them laying right out in the open. It's not unusual to find ones right next to them utterly deformed - 'it all depends'. Sometimes there are ricochets that show up in unlikely places. One of the ranges at my pistol club had to have the ceiling covered in ballistic material for this reason.
Bodies, as deer hunters will tell you, can be relatively transparent to bullets depending on shot placement. You strike a heavy bone and the animal drops like a rock, or it doesn't and you're following a blood trail even if it was a well placed fatal wound. I am not a deer hunter but have shot plenty of small game with those results, I'm sure @Rick Hunter could elaborate on this better.
Bullet design played a big factor here IMO. Remember the soft lead Minie balls from the Civil War era? Those things would shatter bone and cause hideous injuries as they were relatively slow heavy soft lead projectiles that expanded massively while still delivering considerable energy to the target. Hunters use lead soft tipped bullets with copper semi-jacketed cases to provide both penetration and expansion and even at that if they fail to strike bone can still pass through and through a target relatively intact should anyone care to go find them.
Full metal jacketed bullets like the military 'ball' ammo for either rifles or handguns, the same as the ones I've shot and witnessed many times myself and those Oswald used are not designed to expand at all. It's not considered humane to hunt with that ammo for that reason, at least around here or out in Wisconsin where my brother has hunted most of his life. I have no problem with the 'magic bullet' theory at all or JFK's reactions to being shot - as I said things don't alwaysgo as expected and sometimes 'weird shit happens'.
He's a medical professional, not a ballistics expert and is drawing conclusions that can easily be disputed. As I've said before in this thread many times the shots from the Book Depository were relatively straightforward from a rifle shooter's p.o.v, excepting of course the adrenaline rush anybody conducting an assassination must feel. I believe the FBI located the errant fourth shot much later and it wasn't in a curb it was through a road sign that later impacted the overpass.
I'm not a medical professional so I wouldn't dispute his findings in that area nor am I a ballistics expert. But probably unlike him I've fired tens of thousands of round of ammo and can state with perfect sincerity 'bullets do weird shit sometimes'. I've dug them out of earth and gravel berms and stacks of old magazines perfectly intact but for the rifling, I could probably reload them. Sometimes you simply find them laying right out in the open. It's not unusual to find ones right next to them utterly deformed - 'it all depends'. Sometimes there are ricochets that show up in unlikely places. One of the ranges at my pistol club had to have the ceiling covered in ballistic material for this reason.
Bodies, as deer hunters will tell you, can be relatively transparent to bullets depending on shot placement. You strike a heavy bone and the animal drops like a rock, or it doesn't and you're following a blood trail even if it was a well placed fatal wound. I am not a deer hunter but have shot plenty of small game with those results, I'm sure @Rick Hunter could elaborate on this better.
Bullet design played a big factor here IMO. Remember the soft lead Minie balls from the Civil War era? Those things would shatter bone and cause hideous injuries as they were relatively slow heavy soft lead projectiles that expanded massively while still delivering considerable energy to the target. Hunters use lead soft tipped bullets with copper semi-jacketed cases to provide both penetration and expansion and even at that if they fail to strike bone can still pass through and through a target relatively intact should anyone care to go find them.
Full metal jacketed bullets like the military 'ball' ammo for either rifles or handguns, the same as the ones I've shot and witnessed many times myself and those Oswald used are not designed to expand at all. It's not considered humane to hunt with that ammo for that reason, at least around here or out in Wisconsin where my brother has hunted most of his life. I have no problem with the 'magic bullet' theory at all or JFK's reactions to being shot - as I said things don't alwaysgo as expected and sometimes 'weird shit happens'.
Dejan Corovic
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I know this one is contraversia, if not totally wild, so just for reference if anybody wants to go through it:
Italian contactee Germana Grosso apparently warned FBI that Chinese mafia is preparing to kill Kennedy, and she got that info from, ummm . . . aliens. PDF is in italian but translation is nowadays not that hard. She provided lots of interesting details.
Italian contactee Germana Grosso apparently warned FBI that Chinese mafia is preparing to kill Kennedy, and she got that info from, ummm . . . aliens. PDF is in italian but translation is nowadays not that hard. She provided lots of interesting details.