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Discussion in 'End Times & Conspiracies' started by Zeke, May 9, 2018.

  1. Castle-Yankee54

    Castle-Yankee54 Celestial

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    Yes I have seen that and thanks for the trip down memory lane......I saw that around 1990. I still believed in a conspiracy back then. I've learned a lot more since then and had my conclusion changed. I've yet to see or read anything to change my conclusion back as of yet. That includes rereading conspiracy based books I'd previously read.
     
  2. Zeke

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    What about addressing any of the other (besides one you did) or all the other criticisms in reply to your magic bullet reenactment videos?
     
  3. Castle-Yankee54

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    Well I didn't post any "magic bullet" videos......the one you commented on was about frame 313 and not the single bullet that hit both JFK and Connelly. I don't see any evidence of a "magic bullet" any longer.....and it turns out I never did. I only thought I had.

    I haven't had a chance to respond to the remainder of your opinions.....but I'll get to them in time.
     
  4. Zeke

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    Okay, sorry let me clarify - criticisms about the videos you posted about the assassination of JFK.

    i.e. wrongly assumed bullets/rifles, back and to the left, moving target, etc. You know a .22 bullet was found on the fence in the Grassy Knoll area.. And.. several explanations are given how such a shot would not have blown head off like in the video you posted.

    Even assuming if Oswald was a shooter and his bullet hit both of them in a straight line, the reinactment is flawed on the head shot attempt from the Grassy Knoll area.

    Overall flawed and misleading reenactment.
     
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  5. Zeke

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    From archives.org Findings

    "The President's Commission on the Assassination of President Kennedy (Warren Commission) concluded that President Kennedy was struck by two bullets that were fired from above and behind him.(1) According to the Commission, one bullet hit the President near the base of the back of the neck, slightly to the right of the spine, and exited from the front of the neck. The other entered the right rear of the President's head and exited from the right side of the head, causing a large wound. (2)

    The Commission based its findings primarily upon the testimony of the doctors who had treated the President at Parkland Memorial Hospital in Dallas and the doctors who performed the autopsy on the President at the Naval Medical Center in Bethesda, Md. (3)

    In forming this conclusion, neither the members of the Warren Commission, nor its staff, nor the doctors who had performed the autopsy, took advantage of the X-rays and photographs of the President that were taken during the course of the autopsy. (4) The reason for the failure of the Warren Commission to examine these primary materials is that there was a commitment to make public all evidence examined by the Commission. (5) The Commission was concerned that publication of the autopsy X-rays and photographs would be an invasion of the privacy of the Kennedy family. (6) The Commission's decision to rely solely on the testimony of the doctors precluded the possibility that the Commission might make use of a review of the autopsy evidence by independent medical experts to determine if they concurred with the findings of the doctors at Parkland and Bethesda.

    A determination of the number and location of the President's wounds was critical to resolving the question of whether there was more than one assassin. The secrecy that surrounded the autopsy proceedings, therefore, has led to considerable skepticism toward the Commission's findings. Concern has been expressed that authorities were less than candid, since the Navy doctor in charge of the autopsy conducted at Bethesda Naval Hospital destroyed his notes, and the Warren Commission decided to forego an opportunity to view the X-rays and photographs or to permit anyone else to inspect them.

    The skepticism has been reinforced by a film taken of the Presidential motorcade at the moment of the assassination by an amateur movie photographer, Abraham Zapruder. In the Zapruder film, the President's head is apparently thrown backward as the front right side of the skull appears to explode, suggesting to critics of the Warren Commission's findings that the President was struck by a bullet that entered the front of the head. (7) Such a bullet, it has been argued, was fired by a gunman positioned on the grassy knoll, a park-like area to the right and to the front of where the moving limousine was located at the instant of the fatal shot. (8) "

    Bottomline: Autopsy by independent medical experts denied. Evidence destroyed. One big cover-up of a CIA assassination operation - it doesn't matter even if Oswald was the first shooter or if there was another assassin who shot him from the back from the Depository Building, setting up Oswald as the fall guy - it doesn't matter if the bullet struck both JFK and John Connally without magic. The extensive evidence for a second shooter and cover up exist and is clear.

    This case is closed for me, I don't need to see any more files released. I would move on to debate/argue if they were justified in assassinating the President? Was JFK or the CIA the real or bigger threat to "national security"? That's a topic for debate. @Castle-Yankee54 I'm still interested to hear your replies to some of the criticisms posed by viewers I listed earlier though.
     
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  6. Zeke

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    Another perspective of how the clean vs dirty side of government operations work by a viewer commenting on this alleged missed bullet video.

    "TO HELP THE LESS INFORMED 24 : Each of the Federal Services (FBI, CIA, ATF, INS, Secret Service, etc.) have many good and patriotic people working for them. The good guys are the regular, naive, “want to serve my country” types who are assigned the legitimate tasks of government enforcement. Virtually every agency head knows about the black side of his organization. No one is allowed to run these agencies unless he can be trusted to execute the special orders that come down via discrete private channels.

    Upper level managers who are part of the conspiracy are always watching and judging both the above ground side and the covert “black” side to see who can be trusted to do corrupt work or who has to be removed. They look for signs of unprincipled behavior in those they invite to do the “dirty tricks” stuff. These guys carouse, they cheat regularly on their wives, and in short, don’t have any scruples about doing any job for money or future advancement. These are carefully cultivated and tested with a variety of semi-legal activities to make sure they don’t have much of a conscience. Once they enter the “black” underground, they enter the world of covert operations--but not just ordinary covert operations (because there are both legitimate and criminal types of operations performed by the same agency).

    I do not have the space in this book to detail all the evidence for this, but I will tell you this:

    1. The CIA runs a worldwide drug distribution net, to finance this black underground series of operations. Kun San, the infamous drug warlord of the Iron triangle testified of this openly--that his major client was the CIA and he could name names. Barry Seal was killed after revealing his involvement in flying cargo planes loaded with drugs for the CIA into the famous Mena Arkansas 10,000 foot rural runway (during Governor Clinton’s term).

    2. The FBI regularly assists and covers up for numerous illicit government operations. Occasionally, critical evidence is falsified in their now discredited forensics labs in order to alter the outcomes of certain investigations. The FBI played a major role in the cover-up of the JFK assassination, the Waco attack, the Oklahoma City Bombing, and the Vince Foster murder.

    3. CIA and Secret Service agents who were part of the “black” underground side, pulled off the assassination of John F. Kennedy, Bobby Kennedy and Martin Luther King, to make them martyrs for a much larger political purpose. The killers may not have known the purpose, but those who gave the orders did. John F. Kennedy was, in my opinion, the first president to be elected who actually knew that he was put into power by this powerful underground group. He was only a second level person himself however, and quite disposable, as we later found out. JFK was taken out by the very same leaders who put him in.

    The job was carried out by a select group of dirty tricks boys from the CIA, Secret Service, and FBI. This was the world’s first good look at the workings of the conspiracy. They made a lot of sloppy mistakes, and got away with it for only one reason--they had enough control over the media, members of the Supreme Court, Congress, and a host of others that they could cover up almost anything. Their errors were huge and needed multiple cover-ups. Watching how they did it told me a lot about how extensive their powers are. Before I go into some details, let me backtrack and show how this gang of government hit-men operates in various parts of the federal security forces."
     
  7. nivek

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    JFK Assassination Conspiracy Proof

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    Amazing Footage


    In the book, JFK High Noon in Dallas, evidence is provided that shows not 3, but a dozen or more shots on that fateful day. Jens Mohr Thygesen, a Danish Opthamologist uses advanced software, meant to detect anomalies in the human eye, to find additional shooters/murderers. Watch below… truly amazing.



    From author Jens Mohr Thygesen Book:

    JFK High Noon in Dallas.

    http://www.jfkhighnoonindallas.com/

    For fifty years the traumatic events of 22nd of November 1963 have been incomprehensible due to the scale of the scenario and due to an efficient cover up. The basis of this book is derived from the factual evidence in Dealey Plaza on the day.

    Evidence of two fatal shots hitting the President from the front has always been supported by medical witnesses but is now for the first time equally supported by new irrefutable photographic evidence of two second gunmen - all in accordance with the testimony of witnesses Gordon Arnold and Ed Hoffman.

    New evidence of returning Oswald's true Russian identity making him a perfect patsy in a false flag operation is presented. The true patriot, US Lee Harvey Oswald, was a false defector to USSR and was substituted by a Russian lookalike. For the first time: Irrefutable evidence of what took place on the Grassy Knoll.

    The book will tell you all about:

    • The Crimescene
    • The Setup
    • Opposition from within
     
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  8. Castle-Yankee54

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    I'll see if I can find the book......sounds like they had to be using silencers then as only 4 of the witnesses thought shots were fired from more than one place. Also according to some reports 80% of the people only heard three shots.

    You should try reading "headshot"......I'll see how this guy explains things because the writer of that book failed as did marrs. Though I did read "crossfire" when I still believe in a conspiracy.
     
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  9. Zeke

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    I'm just reading Marrs for the first time now, in process. How does he "fail"?

    Side question - is there anyone you know who doesn't "fail" or you don't find fault with? Is there something you can point to that says "this guy's got it"?
     
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  10. Castle-Yankee54

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    I read "Crossfire" 20 years ago....and checked it out again 10 years ago. At the moment all I can remember is that once I looked over it again and disagreed with his writing that time. Also he failed to do complete research in the "4th reich".....and after those two it seems to be a trend.

    Part of a psychological profiling research project I did was to read "Case Closed" by Gerald Posner. I've read a number of his books and he seems to do his research to minimize data gaps which is a major fail and leads to the conclusion that the people are just guessing.

    Josiah Thompson did a decent job for being a philosophy prof......but after the fact he would have been helped with later ballistic evidence.
     
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  11. Zeke

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    He's a leading anti-JFK conspiracy author looks like - I suspect he took this position intentionally. You "case closed" people are the controversial and minority position now. I suspect he wrote it to be controversial in contrast to the JFK film and the public sentiment. This helps put him in the headlines and sell his book. Granted I have not read his book, nor am planning to.

    Going by what I see in the official "Archives.org", we can see huge cover-up protocols on evidence. Personally I take the position "Cover-up of Evidence is Evidence". @notdej is keen on"Absence of Evidence" - yeah because it's fucking covered up - and we have clear conclusive evidence of that - both on the UFO file and the JFK file. The CIA agents that wiped down the crime scene (limo) did they get hit with obstruction of justice charges?

    "Case Closed also drew widespread criticism from academics involved in assassination research as well as from non-academic assassination researchers who contended that it contained factual inaccuracies.[31][32][33][34][35] For example, historian David Wrone wrote that "massive numbers of factual errors suffuse the book".[32] Vincent Bugliosi, whose own book Reclaiming History largely agrees with Posner's conclusions, accused Posner of "omissions and distortions" but also described Case Closed as "an impressive work".[36] "He is perhaps public enemy No. 1 to members of what might be called the JFK conspiracy industry," wrote journalist Paul Galloway.[37]
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    Case Closed continued to generate widely divergent views. Film director Oliver Stone told a JFK assassination conference in Pittsburgh that Case Closed was discredited and "there's nothing in the movie (JFK) that I would go back on."[44] Posner, on the day of the 50th anniversary, told CNN's Anderson Cooper that "the only thing he [Stone] gets right in 'JFK' is the date on which Kennedy is killed.[45]"

    And there's one thing Posner gets right, the case is closed - it was a CIA assassination operation.
     
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  12. Castle-Yankee54

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    I can't find a quote to send back to you......but after watching "JFK" again I agree with Posner.

    Also garrison was a bit off his chump and a pedophile to if memory serves......he never seems to get his story straight in his book even when I agreed with the conspiracy.

    It doesn't matter to me if I'm in the minority......I follow the evidence with an open mind.
     
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  13. nivek

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    Here's a Mandela Effect concerning JFK, interesting...

    On November 22, 1963, then president of the United States, John K. Kennedy, was riding in a motorcade in Dallas, Texas, along with his wife, Jacqueline Kennedy, Texas governor John Connally, and Connally’s wife, Nellie, when the president was assassinated by a former U.S. Marine and communist by the name of Lee Harvey Oswald, who would himself be assassinated later by a Jack Ruby.

    At least that is the official, commonly accepted scenario, but the Kennedy assassination has grown into a morass of conspiracy theories and mysteries that I do not intend to fully get into here.

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    John F. Kennedy

    What I would like to get into is the mass misremembered detail of how many people were actually in the car on that day Kennedy was shot.

    Numerous people, including those who have allegedly spent hours and hours obsessively poring over the footage of the assassination, insist that there were just 4 people in the car at the time of that fateful assassination, and that it was definitely a 4-door car, but the true number was actually that there were 6 people in the car as far as we know.

    How could this be?

    The main theory is that the front two people were simply obscured by the car window, coupled with the focus on the actual assassination taking place, which have conspired to create the false memory.


    Yet, there are many who are absolutely, positively sure that it has to have been 4 people. This detail has driven a lot of people absolutely bonkers, and there have been plenty of people who have tried to get to the bottom of this conundrum.

    One Justin Danneman, of the site squawker, managed to find all sorts of pictures that seem to show that it could not have possibly been 6 people in that vehicle, such as a replica of the car Kennedy was in that is noticeably a 4-seater, plus other photos and even a photo from Life Magazine that clearly shows just 4 seats in the car, yet the official number is indeed 6, with an unusual three rows of seats in the vehicle and a double windshield, much to the surprise and chagrin of some who claim to have gone over the footage frame by frame and remember it by heart- with 4 people in a 4-seat car.

    What is going on here, and if this were some sort of shift of reality why are there photos that still exist showing only 4 seats when it should have all changed? Who knows? All we know is that it is a persistent odd historical event that a good number of people get wrong.


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    Four seats, not six.

    Adding to the mystery is that a great many do not recall that there was ever a double windshield on the vehicle, nor that a secret service agent runs up from behind right after the shooting or that Jacqueline Kennedy climbs over the back seat in the wake of the shooting.

    There are claims that even the angle of the footage and the trajectory of the killing shot are all wrong in the current version, or that the people in the car aren’t behaving the way they are clearly remembered as being. The footage as it stands now seems to be almost alien to the way some remember it, such as one poster on Reddit who said:


    It almost seemed like it was the driver that had shot him, because his right arm went over his left shoulder as he turned to see what was going on behind him. (This was one of the conspiracy theories; the driver did it.) JFK was behind the driver, and Jackie was behind the passenger.

    The man in the passenger seat did not react as quickly as the driver. JFK had been hit in front of the head, but also I remember discussion about another bullet that grazed him and hit the passenger. The “magic bullet” theory was famous, because a single bullet would have had to do a “180 in mid-air” to cause that damage, and yet the media kept cramming that fake fact because Oswald’s gun had been found to have only shot the one bullet.


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    Old Life cover showing 4 seats

    This strange double-windshield car and that couple making out in the middle… no no no.

    The driver never turns around? No no no.

    Watching this clip I can’t even believe what I’m seeing. freaky!!

    This is nothing like the film I saw.

    His wife never climbed over the back seat like that. The car is the same color and still a convertible but it is noticeably different as well. Camera angle is also situated different. Anyone who remembers this the way I do will have their jaw drop when they see this footage.

    Even the subsequent footage of the assassination of Lee Harvey Oswald by Jack Ruby has been accused of undergoing a change in reality, with the angle of the famous footage being different than what they are sure it to be. Is this all just a trick of memory and a misrepresentation of historical facts or has reality been changed from what some remember?

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