@coubob , you're a DIY guy and I like that. Kind of like handloading or oil changes, why waste money on somebody else? I was just dealing with a friend who is trying to get medical marijuana and a vaping pen. Doesn't seem too hard but I doubt anyone's really thought through the whole thing. Here in NY I log into one site to do anything state related - DMV, unemployment, health care market - anything. Not pistol permits but I wouldn't be surprised to see that at some point in the future. Thing is, that's where you go to get the medical doobage approved and my oh my do they want ALL of your personal detail plus that of a designated caregiver. In my friend's case that was ME. I had to say no - I refuse to have that connected to me for any reason. Can't risk my CDL, pistol permit, run the risk of it somehow showing up on a background check in a job application. He found an alternative fortunately. It might be far more accepted and even legalized but the Devil's in the details, eh? Hence the DIY approach.