Chemtrail: Conspiracy theory or truth?

humanoidlord

ce3 researcher
The chemtrail conspiracy theory is the claim that long-lasting trails, so-called "chemtrails", are left in the sky by high-flying aircraft and that they consist of chemical or biological agents deliberately sprayed for unknown purposes undisclosed to the general public.

Contrails are line-shaped clouds produced by aircraft engine exhaust or changes in air pressure, typically at aircraft cruise altitudes several miles above the Earth's surface. Contrails are composed primarily of water, in the form of ice crystals. The combination of water vapor in aircraft engine exhaust and the low ambient temperatures that exist at high altitudes allows the formation of the trails. Impurities in the engine exhaust from the fuel, including sulfur compounds provide some of the particles that can serve as sites for water droplet growth in the exhaust and, if water droplets form, they might freeze to form ice particles that compose a contrail. Their formation can also be triggered by changes in air pressure in wingtip vortices or in the air over the entire wing surface. Contrails, and other clouds directly resulting from human activity, are collectively named homogenitus.
thats what i am trying to say!
 

humanoidlord

ce3 researcher
It's not an either.. or proposition. I see this Aristolian logic popping up everywhere and it leads to flawed conclusions.

There are mostly contrails left by planes. Possibly some have more sulfur or impurities, but I haven't seen the independent studies done on jet fuel.

One guy tried to capture the "trail" whatever it was, and he had to tell the authorities ahead of time, days ahead etc, so it's a flawed test. We can't test it randomly in the air by samples. Thus it's impossible to "prove" going by Mick "the Shill" West standards.

I suspect (and I don't have the direct evidence) that covert operations exist within military for weather modification, this including spraying with various agents to achieve specific results. I think reflecting the sunlight in order to help cool the planet or whatever region they want.

The second aspect is spraying to contaminate the soil for purposes of GMO crops yielding better results or being resistant and pushing organics out of the way for purposes of food supply control by corporations.

The second part I just learned about and not really examined further. The first part I'd say it's 100% happened/happening. Now they are rolling out these programs into the corporate sector due to pressure to reduce global warming, but adverse effect maybe more extreme weather conditions as the oceans becoming accidified and corals dying.
proof for these 2 programs?
 

Area201

cold fusion
proof for these 2 programs?

Well the geoengineering I went over before, referencing statements by ex CIA director Brennan.

West says he's only talking about 'future' programs, but we have public quotes of President LBJ (from the early 1960s) talking about it, so I would find it hard to believe they didn't get started with geoengineering programs in all this time. The hurdle for evidence is black operations, out of the reach of civilians or public. They can do any program they want and say it's "national security" and "need to know" go away. It's a tough or impossible even nut to crack.

We do however have some former military insiders/whistle blowers testimonies of such programs. One is Kristen Meghan. She worked hands on.

The GMO connection I don't have more than the movie I referenced here earlier. It's called "Frankenskies". You can watch that to get more info.
 
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Castle-Yankee54

Celestial
Difference between contrails and chemtrails
A chemtrail is very different from a contrail. At first a chemtrail might look a bit like a contrail. However, instead of disappearing like a contrail does, a chemtrail just keeps spreading out and forming a hazy cloud bank. These trails traverse the whole sky and stay for up to around five or even eight hours.

Contrails can last for hours.
 

Area201

cold fusion
Debunked: Rosalind Peterson "Leaker" Addressing UN about Chemtrails and Geoengineering

Not actually addressing the UN. She was addressing a climate change conference. Her organization is about as reliable on climate change as Greenpeace and the World Wrestling Federation (WWF) both who work with the IPCC and couldn't recognize a fact if it bit them in the ass.

It may appropriate to refer to her as a "leaker" because she looks incontinent to me.

Yeah if we read the replies to West's post we see he was attacking a strawman himself. Debunking things like the title being misleading. What I've already said here and found, is that there was not possible to prove if military programs are performing geoengineering, or have decades past - other than the few whistle blowers. This is true.

I pointed out that one guy tried to capture the jet trails to study, but was unable to, due to not given permission to go a certain elevation this trail was at, at the time, without prior approval, which taints the experiment and results.

What I am wondering is, when someone has these alleged chemtrails over their land, can they just use a specialized balloon to capture them for study? this would negate the flying another plane to capture it and approval. I wish to know if some researchers have tried this and the results. I have no interest in doing it myself as I don't have the persistent trails over my skies, not a farmer, and so on.

One reply:
"SHE is not debunked. The title of the video, "Chemtrails, Here is your PROOF 100% Real "MUST WATCH" " (as it appears on youtube) is what is debunked. Mick was generalizing this, as the same video appears in multiple social media locations with similar misleading titles. If you actually watch the video, she never once says the word 'chemtrail', and does refer to persistent lingering contrails, and how they behave. She also references weather modification (cloud seeding) and speaks of potential geo engineering in a future tense. There is really nothing to debunk in what she says. It could be argued that her claims of heat trapping and light blocking caused by contrails should be researched more. The misrepresentation of what she is actually saying is what is debunked.

Then West goes into clarify mode:
To clarify, what I was debunking were the claims about this video:
  • That it was new (it's seven years old)
  • That it's 100% proof of chemtrails (there's no actual evidence in it at all)
  • That she's a leaker (She's not a leaker, she has no inside knowledge, she's just a chemtrail believer)
  • That she's "addressing the UN". (It's just a conference at the UN).
 

Gambeir

Celestial
You have to be an exceptionally mind controlled individual to think chemtrails are contrails. I don't know what more proof anyone wants than the air samples which have been taken and tested, proving beyond any doubt whatsoever the composition of the chemicals, and then there's history and the voice of people who lived before 1996 when spraying first appeared. People who know that no jet motor has ever left any such thing in the sky, let alone rained visible dust and fluids down that ate the paint off your own car, poisoned the ground and water with aluminum and heavy metal isotopes.

Truly you have to be a complete imbecile to buy in to the absurd idea that it's another conspiracy theory: An excuse People whom are old enough know was the term first used to explain away the evidence and finger pointing after the assassination of JFK.

Anyone who yells conspiracy theory is a destroyer of evidence and automatically complicit in any crime as someone whose obstructing justice. All debunkers are threats to public safety because there's no such thing as debunking, there's only proving another truth which they cannot do, and so what they do is criminal by definition.

Then there's the connect the dots picture. Before Chemtrails, before 9/11, before George Bush Senior, before Bill Clinton, the only aircraft which used fly by wire technology were military jet fighters. Not even military tankers and transports used fly by wire. Fly by wire was only used in jets fighters as the ever increasing demands of air combat demanded it.

Everybody knows that all the airliners today are fly by wire, and despite what some liars say, these heavy aircraft can all be remotely controlled and were designed to be remotely controlled as a means to deal with hijackings, which interestingly have all but disappeared.

Everybody knows that the people whom were murdered on 9/11 were clueless to what was actually taking place. Everybody knows that there were no hijacker at all and that all the people who they claim were terrorists were framed to be patsies and whom probably were on board but also died sitting in their seats like everyone else.

Everybody knows that numerous people have proven this is all possible, even by remotely hijacking functioning aircraft while riding in their own seats using a cell phone alone!

Everybody knows who the people are that plotted this crime. Everybody knows chemtrails are real. Everybody knows that the entire political system is now in the hands of organized crime. Everybody knows the criminals parade themselves before us flaunting their sicking wealth while people beg on the streets. Everybody knows ~
 
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Area201

cold fusion
Everybody know that the people whom were murdered on 9/11 were clueless to what was actually taking place. Everybody knows that there were no hijacker at all and that all the people who they claim were terrorists were framed to be patsies and whom probably were on board but also died sitting in their seats like everyone else.

Let me just address this if you were serious..

There's a movie "Let's Roll" about Flight 93 in which Todd Beamer is recorded on audio by cell phone as he's about to attack the terrorists and try to take control of the plane. If it was even remote controlled by military, it would then not have gone down but hit another US target to complete false flag operation.

Remote control - dubunked.
No hijackers - debunked.
9/11 Full Version Truthers - debunked.

Best to have the "/s or/sarcasm" always when doing so. I'm thinking you are being sarcastic. I just hear so many theories, some people are really serious.

Todd Beamer - Wikipedia
 
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Area201

cold fusion
I don't know what more proof anyone wants than the air samples which have been taken and tested, proving beyond any doubt whatsoever the composition of the chemicals

When was this done? by who? what conditions?

I want to see a hot air or helium balloon go up and capture the alleged geoengineering by planes by independent people, randomly.
 

humanoidlord

ce3 researcher
Well the geoengineering I went over before, referencing statements by ex CIA director Brennan.

West says he's only talking about 'future' programs, but we have public quotes of President LBJ (from the early 1960s) talking about it, so I would find it hard to believe they didn't get started with geoengineering programs in all this time. The hurdle for evidence is black operations, out of the reach of civilians or public. They can do any program they want and say it's "national security" and "need to know" go away. It's a tough or impossible even nut to crack.

We do however have some former military insiders/whistle blowers testimonies of such programs. One is Kristen Meghan. She worked hands on.

The GMO connection I don't have more than the movie I referenced here earlier. It's called "Frankenskies". You can watch that to get more info.
i think they use other methods for geo engineering
 

Gambeir

Celestial
Not sure where you are serious or sarcastic here. But let me just address this if you were serious then..

There's a movie "Let's Roll" about Flight 93 in which Todd Beamer is recorded on audio by cell phone as he's about to attack the terrorists and try to take control of the plane. If it was even remote controlled by military, it would then not have gone down but hit another US target to complete false flag operation.

Remote control - dubunked.
No hijackers - debunked.
9/11 Full Version Truthers - debunked.

Again I'm not sure what part you're serious or sarcastic. Best to have the "/s or/sarcasm" always when doing so.

Todd Beamer - Wikipedia

First off I'm serious. Second off we don't have debunking as legal defense do we? Debunking is another corporate crime word along with conspiracy theory.

Audio recording are not evidence without conclusive proof that the voice recorded matches the individual. A whole science involved there. Lots and lots of potential holes in the phone call narrative.

Don't leap to conclusions about who did what. Nowhere did I accuse the military of being involved, a highly dubious notion, as I seriously doubt that would be the case. Quite the reverse actually since Naval Intel was taken out in the attack and which was working on evidence involving acts of high treason.
 

humanoidlord

ce3 researcher
You have to be an exceptionally mind controlled individual to think chemtrails are contrails. I don't know what more proof anyone wants than the air samples which have been taken and tested, proving beyond any doubt whatsoever the composition of the chemicals, and then there's history and the voice of people who lived before 1996 when spraying first appeared. People who know that no jet motor has ever left any such thing in the sky, let alone rained visible dust and fluids down that ate the paint off your own car, poisoned the ground and water with aluminum and heavy metal isotopes.

Truly you have to be a complete imbecile to buy in to the absurd idea that it's another conspiracy theory: An excuse People whom are old enough know was the term first used to explain away the evidence and finger pointing after the assassination of JFK.

Anyone who yells conspiracy theory is a destroyer of evidence and automatically complicit in any crime as someone whose obstructing justice. All debunkers are threats to public safety because there's no such thing as debunking, there's only proving another truth which they cannot do, and so what they do is criminal by definition.

Then there's the connect the dots picture. Before Chemtrails, before 9/11, before George Bush Senior, before Bill Clinton, the only aircraft which used fly by wire technology were military jet fighters. Not even military tankers and transports used fly by wire. Fly by wire was only used in jets fighters as the ever increasing demands of air combat demanded it.

Everybody knows that all the airliners today are fly by wire, and despite what some liars say, these heavy aircraft can all be remotely controlled and were designed to be remotely controlled as a means to deal with hijackings, which interestingly have all but disappeared.

Everybody knows that the people whom were murdered on 9/11 were clueless to what was actually taking place. Everybody knows that there were no hijacker at all and that all the people who they claim were terrorists were framed to be patsies and whom probably were on board but also died sitting in their seats like everyone else.

Everybody knows that numerous people have proven this is all possible, even by remotely hijacking functioning aircraft while riding in their own seats using a cell phone alone!

Everybody knows who the people are that plotted this crime. Everybody knows chemtrails are real. Everybody knows that the entire political system is now in the hands of organized crime. Everybody knows the criminals parade themselves before us flaunting their sicking wealth while people beg on the streets. Everybody knows ~
the chemical tests have only found trace elements and theres nothing falling down
 

Gambeir

Celestial
Todd Beamer - Wikipedia

I'm not an enemy of homo's, but of course it would fit the agenda to have the narrative this way, so it makes complete sense that a gay man would lead the counter attack to try to take back the aircraft, which frankly would probably be true even if this is all a phony narrative and Tod along with everyone were sitting there oblivious as they hurtled into a building.
 

humanoidlord

ce3 researcher
Let me just address this if you were serious..

There's a movie "Let's Roll" about Flight 93 in which Todd Beamer is recorded on audio by cell phone as he's about to attack the terrorists and try to take control of the plane. If it was even remote controlled by military, it would then not have gone down but hit another US target to complete false flag operation.

Remote control - dubunked.
No hijackers - debunked.
9/11 Full Version Truthers - debunked.

Best to have the "/s or/sarcasm" always when doing so. I'm thinking you are being sarcastic. I just hear so many theories, some people are really serious.

Todd Beamer - Wikipedia
bingo!
the only conspiracy was bush conspiring with osama bin laden so he did 9/11, then bush could have an excuse to attack the middle east!
 

Gambeir

Celestial
Let me just address this if you were serious..

There's a movie "Let's Roll" about Flight 93 in which Todd Beamer is recorded on audio by cell phone as he's about to attack the terrorists and try to take control of the plane. If it was even remote controlled by military, it would then not have gone down but hit another US target to complete false flag operation.

Remote control - dubunked.
No hijackers - debunked.
9/11 Full Version Truthers - debunked.

Best to have the "/s or/sarcasm" always when doing so. I'm thinking you are being sarcastic. I just hear so many theories, some people are really serious.

Todd Beamer - Wikipedia

Now I'm often blinded by my own ideas and forget alternatives. It's equally possible that I'm wrong about how this was done Zeke, and that everything else you said is true, just as you've put forward yourself. In fact, in thinking about this for a few minutes it is even more likely that an alternative explanation is more plausible, one which does in fact validate you but also still supports the notion that this was all engineered.
 
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