conspiracy theories

pigfarmer

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There have been bunches of people come forward (with varying levels of credibilty) and state they were part of government UFO activities over the decades. Everything I have read indicates that the higher ups in our military openly stated that UFOs were most likely ET in the 1940's and early 50's. Now, of course they weren't going to divulge exactly what they knew about them but they weren't operating under the extreme gag order that has persisted until very recently.

I believe that some conspiracies do happen, but they aren't as large or far reaching as some would have you believe. Biggest problem is, the more people who are involved and the longer it goes on, the chances for someone to spill their guts increases exponentially. How can dozens or even hundreds of people do a perfect job of keeping secrets for decades? There are always people willing to rat out mobsters and motorcycle gangs, so why would this be any different?

Difference between coincidence and synchronicity is interpretation. Some look at the latter as more meaningful and yet I'm not really sure that's true in a literal sense, but that's up for debate. Dr. Kirby Surprise's Synchronicity The Art of Coincidence, Choice, and Unlocking Your Mind says that evolution has wired us to be pattern seekers and that we naturally make inferences based upon input. Example, you're in the Stone Age running around in your fur underwear with a pointed stick with nothing on your mind but dinner. Eating dinner or being dinner is the real trick so your brain might very well interpret movement in the grass ahead as a dangerous predator. Or baby back ribs - I suppose your ultimate survival depends on getting that right.

I see conspiracies that way. Lacking concrete evidence - like actually seeing a tiger crouching in the grass - our brains tend to fill in blanks. We may not be making things up out of whole cloth but we do have a tendency to apply our own interpretation, which is why several people can witness the same traffic accident and inevitably there will be some that differ, maybe significantly. One reason why eyewitness testimony is problematic.

Two great conspiracy theories we are familiar with are the JFK assassination and the Truth About UFOs. First ask your self how much of the information you have about either of those two things comes from pop culture, from entertainment. Alan Rickman had a great line in Dogma “mention something out of a Charlton Heston movie and suddenly everybody’s a theology scholar.” Meaning, The Ten Commandments is where many get their perceptions about all that from not from actual Bible study. How many people base their beliefs on Jim Marrs presentations, The History Channel, Charles Berlitz and Bill Moore or Jeremy Corbell crapumataries?

So when it comes to UFOs I apply all that first. How much is perception and how much is actually concrete ? Heavy on the first, light on the second. Add to this the fact that both the military and pure bullshit artists have taken full advantage of our interest for their own purposes and made it impossible to ever know for sure what the hell it is you might be looking at. Just to speculate I think a likely possibility is what JB Alexander laid out in UFOs: Myths, Conspiracies, and Realities which basically says the level of interest in the topic in the same within the military as it is in the general public, that the military is a massive organization subject to the same administrative malaise as everything else including black budget projects, and that naturally there have been grass roots attempts within the military and government to see if there is something more to it. Not that UFOs exist or not - what the government knows and has been doing all along because the same suspicion of conspiracy exists even for those theoretically 'on the inside' . I see the bits and pieces and hints as bread crumbs in a very prosaic trail of Cold War intrigue when set into the larger context it sprang from. Meaning, we like to cherry pick tantalizing bits and pieces but in doing so probably change their original meaning.

I wonder if Lue Elizondo is an example of some less-than-formal project created from special interest that did not have widespread acceptance in the more established circles that would lend it real authority. Hence the pissing and moaning over credentials, names, nicknames yada yada yada. Nobody likes a teacher's pet. That's my charitable take on Lue and probably Christopher Mellon too. No need to belabor the uncharitable versions. I also think that typically the clues that we see that make us think of conspiracy might be very real, just not toward the end we think. In the JFK assassination I think that if the whole unadulterated truth were to be revealed it would probably still create sufficient personal and institutional embarrassment so that sealing it up for a few more decades is probably a good idea. Let the dust settle on graves before all that sees the light of day. Not really expecting to hear the KGB or Mafia or Cubans whacked him but there were certainly extreme personalities involved at every turn.

Same for UFOs - too much to have to own up to due to past behavior. Also that UAP/UAS are a current threat in a way they never were before and didn't just fade into history. I'm seeing greater secrecy surrounding this topic, not less, and that's fuel conspiracy theories to no end.
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
.... and because things like this sit in my skull as if it's a crock pot, here's more random thoughts on the topic .....

Recently discovered Gordon Prange - I'm very late to the military history geekout party I know. What he seems to specialize in is extensive, and I mean painfully intensive, research into not only the events but the people involved. Meaning, he paints a much richer, fuller and more accurate portrait of actual people with actual personalities. It's one thing to read a person's curricula vitae, it's another to sit and endure them in meetings, confrontations, whatever. This is as likely as my imagination is likely to get to being there short of having a time machine.

Even in historical events that have been exhaustively chronicled there's always room for some sort of discussion, doubt, disagreement, lack of clarity. Conspiracy theories flourish in those spaces. Having read through a good chunk of Prange's study of the Pearl harbor attack the personalities of those involved were just not what I thought and now that I know what some of those people were actually like it paints a different picture. The pissing and moaning, the bitching, kvetching, clucking, the extreme personalities in Japan's Combined Fleet, Naval General Staff and First Air Fleet were epic. As in, they would not be out of place in my mother-in-law's majong clubs except for all the heavy armaments and cool swords and stuff. When memoirs were written not long after the war - or whatever event they sprung from - naturally they had their own bent, prejudices, opinions that become part of the historical record. This is stating the obvious but even inaccurate, self serving treatises are an important part of the historical record - and relevant to this thread it's recognizing them for what they are and how they fit in the big picture that's important because not getting all that quite right is more fertile ground for conspiracy theory.
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
Not going to get into a big WW2 geekout, although I'd enjoy one this doesn't seem to be the place for it. But I'm still reading up on Pearl Harbor and typically there's lots I never even heard of. Point behind this post is that an amazing amount of it is built upon uncorroborated eyewitness testimony that attracted a lot of attention, which opened the door for all sorts of speculation. Suspecting some highly coordinated super-secret group engaged in activities to somehow sanitize what is known publicly, using the reputation and sincerity of a very few but extremely determined individuals to keep their theories alive means that all these years later there are still those who believe it. It is literally the sauce that UFO interest is liberally doused in. A visible pattern.
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
The Port Chicago (nuclear) explosion is a good one...

Yeah, there have been some things that went boom. Mixing laziness and stupidity with tons and tons of explosives doesn't end well. Halifax, New York Harbor 'Black Tom' and Texas City come to mind. The pattern being 'stay the hell away from places like that'. Black Tom probably literally was a conspiracy.

OK. Just to throw a spin on this, suppose at any of those places a week prior to the explosion some weird craft hovered, shined a light, displayed non ballistic motion. The witnesses would be described as having greater authority than they really did due to the sensitivity of where they worked. 'Men charged with handling delicate ordnance and industrial chemicals ...... ' what exactly ? Couldn't be wrong, or maybe not-so-bright as in, the lowest category of military classification, or in some cases drunk.
 

michael59

Celestial
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The shadow

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1. We never went to the moon.
2. Titanic switched.
3. The moon is a hologram
Some of my fave out here ones.
 

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