Crashed UFOs?

Discussion in 'Alien Hub' started by bill.zen, Oct 17, 2018.

  1. Carl Grove

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    I think they were on to the "alien" idea early on, used it on Roswell then maybe the contactees (I recall Vallee mentioning that George Adamski was travelling abroad on a passport that gave him special status). Always pushing ET and elbowing aside any other ideas -- and we mostly fell for it. I did, up until Magonia.
     
  2. SOUL-DRIFTER

    SOUL-DRIFTER Life Long Researcher

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    Any crashes what little that may be true, are probably not the result of accidents.
    IMHO
     
  3. humanoidlord

    humanoidlord ce3 researcher

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    yeah but things were beggining to change in the 70's, then came that stuff and ruined everthing
     
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  4. Carl Grove

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    Oddly enough I had left active ufology in 1972 and for the next decade was totally out of touch. When I returned to a slightly more active state in the 1980s I was really shocked how everything had changed. It was all secret bases with alien bodies, abductions, and "the grays". Even the term UFOs had been transformed from "you-foe" into "U-F-O" (the whole point of an acronym is that it is a pseudo word), and many of the people who pop up on numerous TV channels described as "experts" these days seem to be naive believers rather than researchers. MUFON and a few other groups are still doing a good job, but the automatic acceptance of the "aliens from outer space" theory is disturbing.
     
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  5. nivek

    nivek As Above So Below

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    Where do you think aliens are from if not other planets in our galaxy or other galaxies?...

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  6. Rick Hunter

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    An oft-repeated story is that Nixon was likely the last president to receive the full briefing on the UFO situation. And, he also took his friend Jackie Gleason to view some bodies. If both of those are true, then the handlers for this information most certainly decided that it was much too risky to allow elected officials full access to this information. Ensuring that the waters were well murkied with disinformation would do a fine job of discrediting UFOs with the general public and ensuring that Ufologists would have a hard time separating the wheat from the chaff.
     
  7. humanoidlord

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    yep, sadly the disinfo agents had success and now ufology has been ruined
    also you got out of ufology exactly one year before the great humanoid flap
    and lastly MUFON got corrupted also and in recent meetings they are inviting even "secret space program whistleblowers", NUFORC remains credible but their focus is in low strangeness sightings
     
  8. humanoidlord

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    i have had long conversations via PM with carl in fortean times forums and he just like me believes in the interdimensional theory angaist ETH
     
  9. humanoidlord

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    the irony here is that this very story was a disinfo plant
     
  10. pigfarmer

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    Most likely other planets within our own galaxy, but I think of cargo cults wondering where the men with the strange machines went. Even though they were as intelligent as any human they didn't have a basis of experience to even imagine what Washington DC, New York or London might be or how to get there.
     
  11. Carl Grove

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    You have to consider a wider range of possibilities. Maybe there are some aliens in space ships out there, but if there are other dimensions, potentially an infinite number of them, and if beings there know how to access ours, and if they have the knowledge of how to direct images directly into our minds, we may never find out what is going on. Or maybe Jung was right, and some of these phenomena come from the collective unconscious. The "Ancient Alien" people may be right in finding evidence of intervention in our remote past, but naive in saying that ETs are responsible. It may be also the case that long ago we were part of the whole system, as it were, but something happened that caused us to lose contact and forget our roots. All this is a lot harder to get a handle on than the ideas about disclosures and alien bodies being shown to presidents, flying saucers crashing all over the place, and so on. The disinformers know that playing the aliens card will (1) attract and excite the believers and (2) alienate the people who regard themselves as serious scientists. Maybe they know something about what UFOs are and where they come from, but their immediate aim is to prevent people finding out about all their black projects, especially the field propulsion stuff.
     
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  12. humanoidlord

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    bravo!
    sadly people on this forum, hate anyone that brings the interdimensional/cosmic trickster/ultraterrestrial (the original one, not the mac tonnies one) hypothesys to discussion
     
  13. wwkirk

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    Who originated the ultraterrestrial hypothesis and how does the original version differe from Mac Tonnies' version?
     
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  14. humanoidlord

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    the original version was created by the great john keel and was basically identical to vallee's interdimensional theory
    mac tonnies proposed that UFOs were a civilization living in secret here in earth hidden from we humans
     
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  15. Rick Hunter

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    Still, I could totally see Nixon doing such a thing!!
     
  16. humanoidlord

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    yeah, lol
    but do you know the source of that tale?
    well it comes from the archives of the late UFO crash investigator leonard springfield
    he sent various calls for UFO crash rumors to newspapers, to find witnesses to these elusive events, he published the result of this venture in a book in the 90's
    sadly he never checked the veracity of his stories and 90% of them are bogus, the other 10% are misidentified airplane crashes
     
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  17. wwkirk

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    Jackie Gleason says Nixon showed him ETs
    In an interview with Gleason’s second wife, Beverly McKittrick, by Esquire Magazine about a book she was planning to write, she revealed that Gleason had told her that Nixon had shown Gleason alien bodies. The story goes that Gleason arrived home unusually late on the evening of February 19, 1973. Worried, McKittrick questioned his whereabouts. She said in the interview that his face looked “haggard”, and that he said he had been to Homestead Air Force Base and had seen alien bodies. He described them as small, “only about two feet tall, with bald heads and disproportionately large ears.”


    Gleason told her that he could not get many answers, but that a spacecraft must have crashed nearby. She says that he was so preoccupied about the event that he continued to talk about it the next morning.

    Since the release of the story, researchers had been clamoring for more information, but Gleason wasn’t talking. [Larry] Warren says that on one occasion, at Gleason’s house in Westchester County, New York, Gleason finally opened up to him about the event after a few drinks. Gleason told him that Nixon had arrived at Gleason’s house alone in his private car. Nixon told Gleason that he wanted to show him something. Nixon continued to drive Gleason to Homestead. At the gate, a shocked security guard waved them through.

    They drove to a well-guarded building, and walked in. Inside the building were a number of labs, but they eventually arrived at an inner chamber. Here they found several containers that looked like “glass-topped Coke freezers.” Inside was what Gleason described as looking like “mangled children,” but upon closer examination were not human, and actually looked quite old. After telling him the details of the visit, Gleason told Warren that he was very upset that the government would not share this information with the public.
     
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  18. Rick Hunter

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    Ive read the story in several places. Springfield could have picked it up somewhere else and taken credit for it. I have no opinion on the story one way or another, but, having studied Nixon quite a bit, it does sound exactly like what he would do.
     
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  19. humanoidlord

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    most of what springfield wrote about was stuff he was mailed
     
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  20. Rick Hunter

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    Sounds about right!
     
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