Thank you for your deeply considered post here - to be perfectly frank, I've always found your candid and congenial style to be admirable. Perhaps it is time to reconsider my long-held attitude about online debating, which was initially forged in the bawdy crucible of the early chat forums back in the 90s. Back then I saw that I got the best arguments from people when I ticked them off a bit, because then they felt invested in defeating my viewpoint, which makes for a vibrant adversarial debate that often taught me a great deal. But now perhaps the substance of a good discussion forum is less like combat in Thunderdome, and more about community and socializing. That's perfectly reasonable. I initially accepted the viewpoint of online debating as a Darwinian death match of meme warfare over twenty years ago; I'm long overdue for a re-evaluation of that perspective - today it may well be obsolete and/or counterproductive. So to get back on topic - I've heard some fascinating interviews with Ryan Woods on the topic of UFO crashes and retrieval operations. If anyone here has his book Majic Eyes Only, it will probably have the most recent credible crash cases in there.