Discussion in 'Alien Hub' started by bill.zen, Oct 17, 2018.
What about the Westall school in Melbourne Australia ? They still rock also.
Yup, throw it on the pile, exactly what I mean. If there's any military involvement there's always a good reason to be suspicious.
My parents grew up in Aztec, NM. I still have relatives there. The first time I heard about the crash in Hart Canyon was when I was working for a group of doctors who had an office in Roswell. In my spare time I went to the museum and found on the wall of hoaxes a newspaper clipping from the 60's or 70's that seemed to be tongue in cheek. It was a local paper from the area and it start out with "Before the crash at Roswell we had our own crash in Hart Canyon...." I asked my dad about it and he told me that reporter used to keep track of all the news and made spoof stories up about the headlines in the national papers. Everyone knew it was a joke, but some crazy guy from Denver (I think) showed up in the late 70's and wanted to interview anyone who knew about the crash. He interviewed a lot of people who mostlly told him there was no story, but the area had a few practical jokers so he went away with some "information" and wrote a book. A lot of the people he mentioned were angry because he claimed they said things they did not say. However, something did happen in Hart Canyon in 1948 and there are 3 boxes of redacted documents about it.
Then in the 90's another author showed (Frank Scully?) up and interviewed people using the first book as his reference. Late 1990's Roswell and Aztec both decided to do a UFO weekend to make some money. The Friends of the Library sponsored a UFO Symposium every year from 1999 to 2008 and they were able to pull in a lot of big names in the UFO research area. Their goal was to earn enough money to build a new library. Roswell had lost a lot of industry and they decided to do their celebration to pull in more tourists. At the time there were already people coming from all over the world, but it had never been a real organized tourist trade until the 90's.
Anyway, a man named Scott Ramsey from the east had married a woman who was from Aztec and I think it was their idea to have the UFO Symposium fund raiser for the library. It was a good idea, brought in a lot of people. Scott organized the information part of it and he used the Freedom of Information act to ask for any documents pertaining to an event in Hart Canyon, New Mexico. It took two years, first he was told nothing was found, then he was told that 3 documents had been found and they would send them. When he finally got the documents it was 3 boxes of them. The military apparently pulled something out of Hart Canyon that crashed there. I was acquainted with a man who grew up on the reservation near there and he had been told as a child that some Navajo he was related to found the crashed vehicle first and they broke a window to pull out the one survivor, took it home and took care of it until it died. The oil men who were checking wells in that area came next and they called the sheriff, then the rancher and after that the military showed up. It is a very similar story to Roswell. I have no idea what is really true, but suspect it was a military craft that crashed there. 1/3 rd of New Mexico is military reservation of some sort or another, testing grounds, bases and secret facilities (but Not in Dulce, that is made up, probably to better hide the actual underground base somewhere else).
I did see the documents and they were copies of old documents with March 1948 dates. As you turned pages they became less and less redacted and sometimes names were mentioned on the later pages. But I did not see enough information to know what exactly was being reported.
I don't think anyone would be too concerned about Roswell had it not been for Charles Berlitz and Bill Moore. Same for The Philadelphia Experiment and the Bermuda Triangle. Gettysburg was a Civil War battlefield and now it's a mecca for ghost hunting. Here in the Hudson Valley you start talking about the Big Wave and Indian Point and you're gonna get some funny looks.
Big pop culture stew.
Wouldn't doubt in some cases there is some seed, some genesis to the story but who can tell all these decades later.
Just a side note but in Revelations by Dr Vallee....he cites at least 17 tales of crashed alien saucers. I think he looked into all of them to some degree and said he couldn't find anything meaningful and I assume that included the infamous Roswell case.
BTW...he also talked a bit about 'alien artifacts' that people claim to have obtained and spent some time investitgating those and never found anything that impressed him, however I have heard recently that he has a new book soon to be released (it's currently only available as an e-book) and he releates some new information pertaining to 'debris'.
I have started reading Vallee's book about San Antonio, New Mexico crash.
Give us a review when you are done.
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