Deadly Wuhan Coronavirus

dr wu

Noble
Well good for you, you didn't have any adverse effects from the vaccine, many many others have, I prefer to show some sympathy for those people, even though percentages are low...This is akin to saying let the virus run it's course, it will only kill a small percentage of the population...o_O

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It;s not akin to that....maybe in your mind.
 

nivek

As Above So Below
I understand you're convictions that everyone must be vaccinated, perhaps your views are out of fear, who knows, but medical decisions are between doctor and patient and the patient ultimately chooses how they want to proceed, its simple...

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nivek

As Above So Below
One reply and no real explanation other than a brief statement that 'I'm healthy'. o_O

Guess you didn't read the entire article...The point was that there was no ideological nonsense in their decision making as you claim everyone must have...

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dr wu

Noble
I understand you're convictions that everyone must be vaccinated, perhaps your views are out of fear, who knows, but medical decisions are between doctor and patient and the patient ultimately chooses how they want to proceed, its simple...

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And you had no fear when you got all your vaccines before.....so why are you and others so worried on this aspect now?
Did you turn down the polio and smallpox vaccine? Why not? I really don't see any difference.
 

dr wu

Noble
Guess you didn't read the entire article...The point was that there was no ideological nonsense in their decision making as you claim everyone must have...

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Please show me where I said 'everyone must have that'...maybe I am mistaken in what I posted .?
All of these people probably have been vaccinated for polio and the other things when young...its even required to attend school these days...so why all of a sudden are they so worried about the covid vaccine...? What's up?
 

nivek

As Above So Below
And you had no fear when you got all your vaccines before.....so why are you and others so worried on this aspect now?
Did you turn down the polio and smallpox vaccine? Why not? I really don't see any difference.

Nope and I didn't turn down the J&J Covid shot either...

I really don't want to see the any difference.

Fixed that for you...q37

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nivek

As Above So Below
Please show me where I said 'everyone must have that'...maybe I am mistaken in what I posted .?

Then why are you so concerned with the unvaccinated being unvaccinated?...

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dr wu

Noble
Nope and I didn't turn down the J&J Covid shot either...



Fixed that for you...q37

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Please...b y all means enlighten me on the difference then,,,. You didnt't want to die from polio but not worried about covid then,,,? Is that the difference?
 

dr wu

Noble
Then why are you so concerned with the unvaccinated being unvaccinated?...

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I'm not concerned if they wish to take a risk and die...but I am if they carry the virus after getting sick to others...as you might say...it's simple.
 

nivek

As Above So Below
Please...b y all means enlighten me on the difference then,,,.

Beating a dead horse, this has been talked about to death, if you don't get it by now you may never will...

You didnt't want to die from polio but not worried about covid then,,,? Is that the difference?

What part of I've been vaccinated is not understood?...I had personal concerns about Covid and got the shot, others aren't as concerned about it, so be it, its their choice...I don't have a problem with the unvaccinated people in the country, its their choice and they will live or die by that choice...Forcing them to submit to the will of the government's desires against their will in this matter is wrong...I'm sorry you don't understand that, this is where we have to agree to disagree...

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dr wu

Noble
Beating a dead horse, this has been talked about to death, if you don't get it by now you may never will...



What part of I've been vaccinated is not understood?...I had personal concerns about Covid and got the shot, others aren't as concerned about it, so be it, its their choice...I don't have a problem with the unvaccinated people in the country, its their choice and they will live or die by that choice...Forcing them to submit to the will of the government's desires against their will in this matter is wrong...I'm sorry you don't understand that, this is where we have to agree to disagree...

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Fair enough..we can agree to disagree...but please don't tell me I don't get it or don't understand because I could easily say the same thing back to you...and then we both would be rude to each other.
 

nivek

As Above So Below
Fair enough..we can agree to disagree...but please don't tell me I don't get it or don't understand because I could easily say the same thing back to you...and then we both would be rude to each other.

I haven't been rude to you, maybe in your mind (using your words) but fair enough I won't use that expression...Reducing all the unvaccinated people down to either being rightwing, Christian, or anti-vax ideologies or a mix of the three and is very shortsighted and political minded...I tire of our government representatives on all sides making this political, and they have done so from the start, then in no time as is evident, the public starts making it political as well, then objectivity is lost and then shaming and ridiculing others follows because of it and now government censorship has come...This is a human problem, not a political one...Covid cannot be compared to measles or polio, nor even to the Spanish flu of a century ago, they are different illnesses, completely different situations, vastly different vaccines, and vaccine efforts...Believe it or not, there are hundreds of thousands of people in the world who make judgements and decisions concerning their lives everyday and during this pandemic without those decisions being influenced by political or religious ideologies...

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nivek

As Above So Below
There's a wider range of reasons why the vaccination programs have stalled and why some people aren't getting the shot...Labeling, ridicule, and censorship are not the right methods to change this dilemma, that only creates more distrust and more division...What is sickening to hear is this notion spreading in the news media that there are two America's, the vaccinated and the unvaccinated, as if we really need more division and strife...

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Standingstones

Celestial
My wife’s friend and her husband haven’t got the Covid shot. They are strictly anti-vaccination people. My wife has asked her what she is going to do here out. It sounds like her answer is to wear a mask. To me that seems silly but to each their own.

I keep reading that people are starting to buy fake Covid shot identity papers. I wouldn’t be surprised to see this turn into a big business.
 

nivek

As Above So Below
Nearly all COVID deaths in US are now among unvaccinated

Nearly all COVID-19 deaths in the U.S. now are in people who weren’t vaccinated, a staggering demonstration of how effective the shots have been and an indication that deaths per day — now down to under 300 — could be practically zero if everyone eligible got the vaccine.


Thats the narrative they want you to believe...The CDC has stopped tracking infections of vaccinated people, so the percentage are probably closer to those in the UK which is about 47 percent or Israel in which there's a higher percentage of vaccinated who are getting infected...It does appear the vaccines are helping to keep some people from serious hospitalization or death however...

CDC Move To Limit Investigations Into COVID Breakthrough Infections Sparks Concerns

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has stopped tracking every case that occurs when a COVID-19 vaccine fails to protect someone.

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dr wu

Noble
I haven't been rude to you, maybe in your mind (using your words) but fair enough I won't use that expression...Reducing all the unvaccinated people down to either being rightwing, Christian, or anti-vax ideologies or a mix of the three and is very shortsighted and political minded...I tire of our government representatives on all sides making this political, and they have done so from the start, then in no time as is evident, the public starts making it political as well, then objectivity is lost and then shaming and ridiculing others follows because of it and now government censorship has come...This is a human problem, not a political one...Covid cannot be compared to measles or polio, nor even to the Spanish flu of a century ago, they are different illnesses, completely different situations, vastly different vaccines, and vaccine efforts...Believe it or not, there are hundreds of thousands of people in the world who make judgements and decisions concerning their lives everyday and during this pandemic without those decisions being influenced by political or religious ideologies...

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Well....I would ask how many people make 'judgements and decisions' and are not influenced by their political and religious beliefs...their world and cultural view? But thats another discussion.....;)
 

dr wu

Noble
Thats the narrative they want you to believe...The CDC has stopped tracking infections of vaccinated people, so the percentage are probably closer to those in the UK which is about 47 percent or Israel in which there's a higher percentage of vaccinated who are getting infected...It does appear the vaccines are helping to keep some people from serious hospitalization or death however...

CDC Move To Limit Investigations Into COVID Breakthrough Infections Sparks Concerns

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has stopped tracking every case that occurs when a COVID-19 vaccine fails to protect someone.

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'Thats the narrative they want you to believe'.....that sounds a lot like paranoid conspiracy thinking...? And exactly who are 'they' ?
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nivek

As Above So Below
'Thats the narrative they want you to believe'.....that sounds a lot like paranoid conspiracy thinking...? And exactly who are 'they' ?
:unsure8:

Funny how you skip over the point and try to paint this as some conspiracy to dismiss out of hand...If the CDC are not tracking infections of vaccinated people and then claim most infections are by unvaccinated people as your link states, then that claim is false...'They' in this case are the CDC...

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dr wu

Noble
Funny how you skip over the point and try to paint this as some conspiracy to dismiss out of hand...If the CDC are not tracking infections of vaccinated people and then claim most infections are by unvaccinated people as your link states, then that claim is false...'They' in this case are the CDC...

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Not skipping...just getting to the point by going right to the point. ;)
So this is just an opinion about the CDC doing this intentionally...or what?
I do agree that if they aren't tracking all new origins of infections then they can't know the breakdown. I'd like to think this is about lack of resources and not some 'conspiracy'. I dislike 'conspiracy theorists' and all that entails.
 
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