Deadly Wuhan Coronavirus

Would give this a hundred awesomes if I could.Lets hope some good can eventually come out from all this and that the blood suckers currently in charge face real and permanent consequences.
Word.

Perhaps only a few of us realize this simple fact right now - but millions and perhaps billions will come to realize it soon:

This horrific pandemic and the millions of lives that it's about to take, is irrefutable proof that the entire global socioeconomic system has COMPLETELY FAILED the people of this world. Not only has the current system reinstituted a modernized system of neofeudal wage slavery all around the globe, but now we see that the decades of hard-earned taxes that we've paid to shore up our governments were completely squandered by bloated power-hungry sycophants and sociopaths who invested none of that money into protecting us from the most predictable, the most lethal, and the most inevitable reality of human life on Earth: the emergence of a deadly new virus that could suddenly emerge to indiscriminately cut down millions of human lives.

All the trillions of dollars we've paid to these incompetent soulless self-serving MFers, and they've accomplished exactly zero protections for our lives in a time of a totally inevitable viral pandemic. No rapid-response teams to be seen. Still no widespread testing like we see in countries like South Korea. No quarantine facilities for infected people. No stashes of ventilators or treatment facilities ready for a time of national emergency.

The existing system has proven that it has always given exactly no shits about our lives, and we're all on our own, facing the most lethal pandemic in over a century.

When a system has failed this completely, it demands to be destroyed and replaced with a superior system.

That's the only rational response to the facts.

Anyone defending this broken system and trying to prop it back up...so it can fail this completely and this dramatically again for our children or our grandchildren, is the adversary, not the answer.

Clearly our survival was never a priority of the existing system. So the survival of the existing system should not by our priority either.

#TimeToBuildABetterSystem
 

Shadowprophet

Truthiness
The U.S. Now Leads the World in Confirmed Coronavirus Cases
The U.S. Now Leads the World in Confirmed Coronavirus Cases

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A line for coronavirus testing outside of Elmhurst Hospital Center in Queens on Wednesday.Credit...Dave Sanders for The New York Times

Scientists warned that the United States someday would become the country hardest hit by the coronavirus pandemic. That moment arrived on Thursday.

In the United States, at least 81,321 people are known to have been infected with the coronavirus, including more than 1,000 deaths — more cases than China, Italy or any other country has seen, according to data gathered by The New York Times. The Times is engaged in a comprehensive effort to track the details of every confirmed case in the United States, collecting information from federal, state and local officials. With 330 million residents, the United States is the world’s third most populous nation, meaning it provides a vast pool of people who can potentially get Covid-19, the disease caused by the virus.

 
The U.S. Now Leads the World in Confirmed Coronavirus Cases
The U.S. Now Leads the World in Confirmed Coronavirus Cases

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A line for coronavirus testing outside of Elmhurst Hospital Center in Queens on Wednesday.Credit...Dave Sanders for The New York Times

Scientists warned that the United States someday would become the country hardest hit by the coronavirus pandemic. That moment arrived on Thursday.

In the United States, at least 81,321 people are known to have been infected with the coronavirus, including more than 1,000 deaths — more cases than China, Italy or any other country has seen, according to data gathered by The New York Times. The Times is engaged in a comprehensive effort to track the details of every confirmed case in the United States, collecting information from federal, state and local officials. With 330 million residents, the United States is the world’s third most populous nation, meaning it provides a vast pool of people who can potentially get Covid-19, the disease caused by the virus.
81K is a gross underestimate produced by insufficient and grossly delayed testing; at least 1-2% of the population is already infected and it's spreading unabated. For the next two+ months the world will watch in horror as our hospitals take on the appearance of slaughterhouses as older people fighting for breath are taken off of ventilators in a nightmarishly desperate effort to save those who are younger and have a better chance of surviving.
 

Shadowprophet

Truthiness
81K is a gross underestimate produced by insufficient and grossly delayed testing; at least 1-2% of the population is already infected and it's spreading unabated. For the next two+ months the world will watch in horror as our hospitals take on the appearance of slaughterhouses as older people fighting for breath are taken off of ventilators in a nightmarishly desperate effort to save those who are younger and have a better chance of surviving.

That's True, But you guys are my Strength, I have suffered a lot of weakness because of fear.
But You Guys, You, Nivek, Pepe, You made me realize, The time for Fear and Panic is over, It's time for Strength and Courage. The Strength and courage you guys have shown me, I will pass that Strength on to others.

Fear serves no one, It has no master. Strength and courage, Is something that can be shared, given to others. This is no longer, the problem of a region. or one family, or the problem of huge cities. We are all in this together.
As you all have shared your strength with me, We should share it with everyone.

This is the new normal, But We don't have to live in panic and fear, Just as you all have shown me.
 

AD1184

Celestial
There has been more than one attempt to downplay this pandemic coming from Stanford. The authors from Stanford wrote in this article that current data allow for the possibility (there article is filled with a lot of 'may', 'might', 'could') that the true death rate is half that of seasonal flu. The problem with this argument is that we are emerging from flu season right now in the temperate north, and seasonal flu does not put anything like this sort of burden on hospitals. If it was half as bad as the flu, then it would put half the burden on hospitals. We know from scenes in Northern Italy, Spain and Wuhan that this virus leaves utter carnage in hospitals.
 

Shadowprophet

Truthiness
Hmm, I sent this message to a friend, But I feel everyone can benefit from this.

Here me on this stuff guys.

The flu kills 290,000 to 650,000 people per year.
Cigarette smoking is responsible for more than 480,000 deaths per year in the United States alone.

, Falling is the second leading cause of accidental or unintentional injury deaths worldwide. Each year an estimated 646, 000 individuals die from falls globally. <--- from falling

The Media Loves Fear,, Because People in fear can be controlled with that fear. Watch our show, Buy our products, Do as we say or bad things can happen to you.

How can the Economy truly be collapsing when Things are flying off store shelves like never before? Someone somewhere is profiting greatly from this fear, Is this not evident?

This virus Sucks, But it's far from an apocalypse. The real pandemic, Is nothing more than World governments using Panic to exercise their power of control. Because powerful greedy people did not attain such power with intentions of never exercising it, people who collect Gold, desire great wealth, Because Wealth is power and power is pointless unless one uses it. People with Guns, Use Guns. People who learn Martial arts, Fight, people who use Fear as a weapon, use that power to control others.

Don't fall for the panic the media is causing, Yes, The Virus is real, But You can see from the numbers I've told you that even falling down has a much higher mortality rate. Be At Peace. I'm not downplaying the Virus, The Virus is real, But the numbers tell a story that the wise can clearly interpret Sure we are all scared, But those mortality rates are accurate, We have so far lost 20 thousand people globally to this, Those numbers don't touch the terrible serial killer that is, Stumbling and falling down. , This is not the end.
 
There has been more than one attempt to downplay this pandemic coming from Stanford. The authors from Stanford wrote in this article that current data allow for the possibility (there article is filled with a lot of 'may', 'might', 'could') that the true death rate is half that of seasonal flu. The problem with this argument is that we are emerging from flu season right now in the temperate north, and seasonal flu does not put anything like this sort of burden on hospitals. If it was half as bad as the flu, then it would put half the burden on hospitals. We know from scenes in Northern Italy, Spain and Wuhan that this virus leaves utter carnage in hospitals.
Yeah that's a pretty good litmus test of the relative severity.

But I find this one to be the most compelling: the fatality rate among the closed cases. Because the open cases are skyrocketing, which dilutes the fatality numbers (fatalities lag the new infections by weeks, so using them together gives a false estimate). Closed cases on the other hand don't lie - the numbers are on equal footing. So if this scares the shit out of you, then you get it:

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Coronavirus Update (Live): 542,478 Cases and 24,369 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Outbreak - Worldometer

Don't fall for the panic the media is causing, Yes, The Virus is real, But You can see from the numbers I've told you that even falling down has a much higher mortality rate. Be At Peace. I'm not downplaying the Virus, The Virus is real, But the numbers tell a story that the wise can clearly interpret Sure we are all scared, But those mortality rates are accurate, We have so far lost 20 thousand people globally to this, Those numbers don't touch the terrible serial killer that is, Stumbling and falling down. , This is not the end.
I'm not panicking, and I'm not saying "this is the end." If anything, I hope that this will herald in a better era for our country and the world.

But you're also talking shit here (sorry) - yes there are only 24,368 deaths from the coronavirus so far. This thing has barely gotten started G. I've looked at the numbers a dozen different ways and it looks like we're going to see at least 77 million people dead world-wide before this is over. And even if we (somehow) shave that number down by 80%, we're still seeing a global catastrophe that surpasses The Holocaust.
 

AD1184

Celestial
Yeah that's a pretty good litmus test of the relative severity.

But I find this one to be the most compelling: the fatality rate among the closed cases. Because the open cases are skyrocketing, which dilutes the fatality numbers (fatalities lag the new infections by weeks, so using them together gives a false estimate). Closed cases on the other hand don't lie - the numbers are on equal footing. So if this scares the shit out of you, then you get it:

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Coronavirus Update (Live): 542,478 Cases and 24,369 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Outbreak - Worldometer
The figures are scary, but as I have said before, I think that recoveries are being under-reported.

I have been keeping a daily log of the data put out by the health authorities here in Britain, and the count of recoveries was last updated on the 22nd of March, five days ago, and stands at 135. Likely there have been many recoveries since then.

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I think the true rate of deaths is more likely in the 0.7-6% range, depending on the quality of treatment available, which is still very scary.
 

Shadowprophet

Truthiness
Yeah that's a pretty good litmus test of the relative severity.

But I find this one to be the most compelling: the fatality rate among the closed cases. Because the open cases are skyrocketing, which dilutes the fatality numbers (fatalities lag the new infections by weeks, so using them together gives a false estimate). Closed cases on the other hand don't lie - the numbers are on equal footing. So if this scares the shit out of you, then you get it:

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Coronavirus Update (Live): 542,478 Cases and 24,369 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Outbreak - Worldometer


I'm not panicking, and I'm not saying "this is the end." If anything, I hope that this will herald in a better era for our country and the world.

But you're also talking shit here (sorry) - yes there are only 24,368 deaths from the coronavirus so far. This thing has barely gotten started G. I've looked at the numbers a dozen different ways and it looks like we're going to see at least 77 million people dead world-wide before this is over. And even if we (somehow) shave that number down by 80%, we're still seeing a global catastrophe that surpasses The Holocaust.

No, I mean you make it sound as If I'm saying this is nothing, but this thing simply isn't going to claim the kinds of numbers the Flu did, Not annually, It hasn't even in Italy, This isn't talking shit, This is factual numbers. Look at the spread of the Contagion, We don't have accurate numbers yet, but at most it's matching the flu, and it has a long way to go before it does that, How can someone deny that Smoking kills more people?
Fast Facts How is this talking Shit?

How can someone deny that according to the world health organization Each year an estimated 646 000 individuals die from falls globally? Falls

I ask you, Pointing out factual data? How is this misleading? When we see that the virus is, in fact, beginning to subside in other places. Giving people hope by pointing out factual Data. isn't speak shit even in the face of panic and fear.

It's scary, It's new, people are dying. But This isn't misleading in any shape or form brother. Refusing to panic in the light of accurate data, how can this mislead someone? I never said it wasn't killing people it is. But It's far from the deadliest thing on earth right now, We have other diseases killing more people already. Do we not?

I don't talk shit. That's like literally one of the things I'm known for. I may give people hope, But I wouldn't in the midst of a pandemic mislead people.

This truly isn't the apocalypse. It's not, I won't pretend it is.
 
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AD1184

Celestial
No, I mean you make it sound as If I'm saying this is nothing, but this thing simply isn't going to claim the kinds of numbers the Flu did, Not annually, It hasn't even in Italy, This isn't talking shit, This is factual numbers. Look at the spread of the Contagion, We don't have accurate numbers yet, but at most it's matching the flu, and it has a long way to go before it does that, How can someone deny that Smoking kills more people?
There have been massive, unprecedented restrictions on the movement of people to keep this virus contained. You cannot compare the number of deaths attributable to Covid-19 in Italy with the annual excess deaths to flu when there are no quarantining/isolation/social-distancing measures taken.

If this virus had been allowed to let rip through Italy, you can bet that there would be a hell of a lot more deaths than from flu.
 

Shadowprophet

Truthiness
There have been massive, unprecedented restrictions on the movement of people to keep this virus contained. You cannot compare the number of deaths attributable to Covid-19 in Italy with the annual excess deaths to flu when there are no quarantining/isolation/social-distancing measures taken.

If this virus had been allowed to let rip through Italy, you can bet that there would be a hell of a lot more deaths than from flu.
And In china, even more, drastic steps were taken, even if the mortality rate is higher than 1.4 percent. It's still far from the deadly ravages that smallpox presented. with it's 30 percent mortality rate. WHO | Smallpox

My angle is this, The panic and fear will kill more people than the Coronavirus if the fear-mongering continues. We all have to pull ourselves together. It's important that we do. Can people not see the context, The Fear is deadlier than the disease. People are dying from taking medicine meant to clean fish tanks, because of this unprecedented fear.

I can't live on a bandwagon of Fear, The panic is killing me literally, I have to Remain calm to stay alive, And others should stay calm as well. I'm keenly aware of this situation and its numbers. but giving people a positive message of hope is not an act of evil. Especially when the numbers and data match that message.

My wife won't let me share it on the internet, But My sister in law Was robbed last night at gunpoint at her home, it was all caught on camera, The man wanted all her money and food, Screaming about how he had lost his business because of the coronavirus. If my wife lets me share this video I will post it later.
 
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Shadowprophet

Truthiness
numbers work in this way the mortality rate is a percentage, Based on the confirmed cases. If more people had it more people would die, but that doesn't change its mortality rate.

I will do my best to convince Sam to let me show the video to you guys, It happened in Texas.

The only scary part to me of all of this is, Thomas And Ad1184 two of the most intelligent and reserved people I know, Are scared. That scares me.
 
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Shadowprophet

Truthiness
Also, I want to say, We may fight and argue Numbers and statistics on this, Someone once said, Real friends, will eventually conflict. You are my true friends, I love you guys, Don't take our conflict to heart. But sometimes anyone has to stand their ground on positions, If they don't, just anyone could push them over, it's all about, just not being wishy washy, I have to stand by the things I say, Or What am I?


Love you Guys, SP.
 

AD1184

Celestial
And In china, even more, drastic steps were taken, even if the mortality rate is higher than 1.4 percent. It's still far from the deadly ravages that smallpox presented. with it's 30 percent mortality rate.
There have been worse pestilences in history. That is not much comfort today. One might expect that we would not even have to worry about this sort of threat at all, because competent, modern societies ought to have learnt the lessons from history in how to avoid these situations altogether. However, it looks like we have not learnt the lessons and not taken it seriously. Even as the situation was developing before our eyes, our governments had their heads in the sand.

My angle is this, The panic and fear will kill more people than the Coronavirus if the fear-mongering continues. We all have to pull ourselves together. It's important that we do. Can people not see the context, The Fear is deadlier than the disease. People are dying from taking medicine meant to clean fish tanks, because of this unprecedented fear.

I can't live on a bandwagon of Fear, The panic is killing me literally, I have to Remain calm to stay alive, And others should stay calm as well. I'm keenly aware of this situation and its numbers. but giving people a positive message of hope is not an act of evil. Especially when the numbers and data match that message.
Up until the the 16th of March, the policy of my government had been to encourage 'herd immunity' among the population to this virus, by deliberately allowing 60% - 70% of the population to become infected. Here is a video of a live television interview on Friday the 13th of March with my government's chief scientific adviser, Sir Patrick Vallance, explaining the policy (from about 3:56 onwards):



Rather than suppressing transmission, they thought that they could mitigate it, as if it was just a flu. They had ideas of gradual, slight mitigations to the transmission rate by 'nudging' people to wash their hands, stand six feet from other people, stay indoors for a week if you are symptomatic, etcetera. Only when things got very bad might the government do something so rash as to close schools or pubs, and ban large gatherings. They thought that they could even use schools as sluice gates, opening and closing them to alternately encourage and reduce the spread of the virus.

I had grown increasingly disturbed and anxious by my government's inaction to that point. When I learned what the government's actual policy was, I started panicking.

However, over the weekend of the 14th and the 15th, there was a chorus of scientists imploring the government to change tack. There was also an influential paper (I think it had an effect on the US government's stance as well) published by epidemiologists at Imperial College London, which by mathematical modelling pointed out that the government's policy might kill hundreds of thousands of people (Richard Horton, editor of the prestigious Lancet medical journal, pointed out that the paper does not really illuminate anything better than elementary arithmetic would).

Over the previous week, the private sector had taken matters into its own hands, with many sports fixtures and other large gatherings cancelled, workers told to work from home and even universities started to close. On the evening of the 16th, the government announced some far-reaching measures and I began to feel slightly relieved. The government encouraged people not to go to work if they did not have to, not to visit pubs, clubs and restaurants, or cinemas or any other social gathering spots. That schools would close at some point soon to the children of non-essential workers. Most of these measures were on a voluntary compliance only basis, however.

Earlier this week the government announced a strict lockdown that would be enforced in law. I had mixed feelings about this. It was in fact what I had been wanting. I knew rationally that it was necessary to reduce the toll in lives and misery that this epidemic would cause, and it also offered me some further relief about this worry.

I admit there is also a feeling of unease at legal measures preventing me from travelling outside of my home for any reason I choose that offends me as an Englishman, even though my intention had been not to venture outside unless it was a matter of life and death while this epidemic lasted. That means that we need to fight to ensure that these measures are only temporary and lifted wholly when this crisis is over. And also that lessons are learned so that we never have to do it again.
 

Dejan Corovic

As above, so bellow
It's pity that experts are confusing us as much as journalists do. Flue can not drive number of deaths to 77 millions, neither 750 people can die from flue in a single day in just one small area of Italy.

There are other factors at play, which is not always clear or is lost in translation between experts and journos. But from all the confused info that is floating around, I would say that we luck immunity to this virus and that's what creating the pandemic. Decease can be only slowed down, but not stopped, at least until millions of effective vaccines are produced.

But it's good for global politics. At least it brings all the nations together and makes us aware that we have shared destiny on this planet.

Only space aliens can save us now :)
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
The U.S. Now Leads the World in Confirmed Coronavirus Cases
The U.S. Now Leads the World in Confirmed Coronavirus Cases

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A line for coronavirus testing outside of Elmhurst Hospital Center in Queens on Wednesday.Credit...Dave Sanders for The New York Times

Scientists warned that the United States someday would become the country hardest hit by the coronavirus pandemic. That moment arrived on Thursday.

In the United States, at least 81,321 people are known to have been infected with the coronavirus, including more than 1,000 deaths — more cases than China, Italy or any other country has seen, according to data gathered by The New York Times. The Times is engaged in a comprehensive effort to track the details of every confirmed case in the United States, collecting information from federal, state and local officials. With 330 million residents, the United States is the world’s third most populous nation, meaning it provides a vast pool of people who can potentially get Covid-19, the disease caused by the virus.

Have a look at #942 in this thread.

My brother is seriously ill. He was told to stay the hell away from his daughter who is sick and didn't. He has rheumatoid arthritis and it's scarred his lungs - he's constantly at risk and has already had close calls with pneumonia. He could die from the flu much less this. Unknown what she has but she was told to stay home for two weeks. She's a surgical tech in an outpatient type facility, not in a hospital. So of course he had to make a beeline straight for her, accomplish absolutely nothing except to become gravely ill.

I am very concerned about all of this, and at a personal level.

BThat said, the media is doing what it does - to shriek and pull its hair and make a nuisance of itself. It's being amped up and the fear is more contagious than the virus.

We've been locked down here a while and right now around here the hype doesn't match what we are seeing. The local hospitals are not overflowing, there are no Army troops on the streets, the dead are not being bulldozed into mass graves. Doesn't mean I'm running out to hug and kiss everyone I meet, doesn't mean I don't take this seriously. It does mean that I am taking media sources less seriously because of their preloaded doomspeke.
 

Shadowprophet

Truthiness
My wife grew up in Elmhurst. Said this was always known as the Death Hospital - not known for it's dedication, shall we say. Now throw in a real problem and see what happens. Pointing to some other entity that was supposed to supply needed equipment is sadly probably all too accurate, but easy and only part of the story. Poor management, standard operating practices, sanitation, are not things that organizations own up to - and I bet these factors share equal responsibility in all this tragedy.

Long way to say this was a s******e to begin with .......

Articles like this are scary, but also serve to keep up the skeer

https://nypost.com/2020/03/25/nycs-...ing-point-as-13-patients-die-in-24-hour-span/

NYC’s Elmhurst Hospital at coronavirus breaking point as 13 patients die in 24-hour span
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New York’s Elmhurst Hospital is at a breaking point amid the coronavirus crisis — with 13 patients dying there in a 24-hour span, officials said Wednesday.

The number of deaths recorded at the Queens facility between Tuesday and Wednesday was “consistent with the amount of ICU patients being treated there,” a spokesman for the city public hospital systems said in a statement.

“Elmhurst is at the center of this crisis,” said Christopher Miller. “It’s the number one priority of our public hospital system right now.”

“Staff are doing everything in our power to save every person who contracts COVID-19,” Miller said.

“But unfortunately this virus continues to take an especially terrible toll on the elderly and people with preexisting conditions.”

Officials say the 545-bed hospital is overrun and in desperate need of supplies.

It’s currently operating at more than 125-percent capacity, compared to its typical 80-percent capacity rate, a source told Patch, which first reported that the hospital was overwhelmed.

“It’s like working at a field hospital in the middle of a war zone,” one ER nurse told The Post.

“New patients are lined up the doors and there aren’t enough beds to hold them. Equipment is running out faster than we can restock it. I’ve never seen anything like it.”

According to The New York Times, some people have died inside the emergency room while waiting for a bed.

“It’s apocalyptic,” Dr. Ashley Bray told the paper.

Earlier this week, scores of people were seen lined up outside the hospital just to get tested for the coronavirus.

Those lines are “just an indication of the overflow and the lack of capacity,” City Councilman Francisco Moya (D-Queens) told The Post.

“They’re inundated,” said Moya, who was born at the hospital, used to work there in development and represents the district its located in.

In the last 24 hours, Elmhurst added 25 staffers from other hospitals, as well as a number of ventilators, said Moya. On Monday, the councilman and Jonathan Krane, the co-founder of the upcoming soccer team Queensboro FC, delivered 1,000 face masks to the hospital.

But the facility will need a lot more help to sustain itself amid a surge in coronavirus patients.

Queens has been hard-hit by the pandemic and accounts for about a third of Big Apple cases, 6,420 as of Wednesday, according to city data.

About 30 percent of Big Apple cases are Queens residents, 5,066 as of Wednesday, according to data from the City Department of Health.

Elmhurst staffers on the front lines are “doing a tremendous job with limited resources they have,” Moya said — but the hospital is “at a critical stage.”

“They’re not going to be able to sustain,” Moya said. “The relief has to be there for the doctors and nurses. And quickly.”


That sucks, I'm not meaning that this coronavirus isn't dangerous or isn't killing people, Everyone knows I've been seriously worried about this. I think people in the midst of panic, Take words of positivity as someone writing the situation off entirely. It is bad, I'm just pointing out numbers of mortality rates to put things into some form of perspective, Each day on earth 150.000 people die. Mortality rate - Wikipedia I think people are taking that I'm trying to process these numbers in ways that make people realize the Coronavirus is not the end, As me writing this off entirely. I'm just trying to offer some hope in the darkness is all.
 
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