DeLonge’s UFO Team Studying Alien Metal

humanoidlord

ce3 researcher
No you’re missing the point – the theory of operation is mathematically and theoretically and experimentally proven in principle now, and the AAV phenomenon demonstrates its practical application year after year. So we know that it can be done. We just don’t know how to build it ourselves yet. But we’re working on it, and we’ll figure it out eventually. Probably sooner than later.

That’s why it’s called scientific progress – we routinely learn how to do things which were only possible in theory, but out of reach technologically. For example, Einstein thought that we’d never be able to detect gravitational waves because they’re so weak. But only 100 years later, they’re headline news. So even the greatest geniuses among our species routinely underestimate the rate of progress and future capabilities of human technology. And that's why it's so easy to believe in the march of scientific progress - it has a long and irrefutable track record of transforming the impossible but theoretically viable, into reality.


Any intelligent life form will evolve the capability to build complex tools, just as we did, because the key adaptive advantage of intelligence is the capacity to build and use tools. So it’s logically self-evident that any type of intelligent creature, whether it looks like a humanoid, or a spider, or a slug, will have evolved formidable tool-making capabilities.


You don’t need to shield gravity. And we generate gravitational fields all the time; they’re just too weak to measure. Every time you charge a capacitor or turn on an electromagnet, you generate a gravitational field. There’s a valid experimental proposal for creating a sufficiently powerful gravitational field in the lab to measure, using a pair of large superconductive magnets and a laser interferometer. It just hasn’t been funded because it would be pricey, and there’s little incentive to do it because a weak gravitational field can't really teach us anything useful.


Keel’s cult of cosmic trickster fanatics can’t even explain the idea in a cogent manner, and they reject all analytical and scientific reasoning just as you do. So I see no reason to waste my time reading his stuff, just as I have no time to read L. Ron Hubbard's stuff - there’s not enough time in the day to keep up with all of the good, logical, reasonable scientific work being done.


And yet you believe in an invisible omnipotent prankster god from some supernatural realm, that can magically manifest material objects in the sky that look and behave exactly like advanced field propulsion devices. So don’t try to pretend that you’re a pragmatic realist: you’re trying to make people believe in Loki, instead of credible empirical science.


I think that’s likely. But when I’m at the mall and I get thirsty, I get a bottle of water from somebody at the food court – I don’t drive all the way back home for it. That would be stupid.


Okay, prove that you’re not lying about the magical cosmic trickster demon. You can’t, because nothing in the entire canon of modern knowledge supports such an idea, while everything we know about reality refutes it.


Those airships could’ve been built by humans at that time, so they’re not even in the same category as AAVs. And you’re assuming – with zero evidence, that those sightings were real, not hoaxes. Certainly the quaint stories of Victorian gentlemen landing in airships smoking cigars and tipping their top hats sound nothing like the modern AAV phenomenon. So you’re connecting two unrelated dots and thereby confusing yourself in the process.

I assume that those stories were hoaxes, because I see no reason to take them seriously. Just as I see no reason to take fanciful tales of elves and fairies seriously: people make up stories all the time. And didn’t you just say: “the golden ufological rule is: everyone is lying until proven otherwise”? You’re directly contradicting yourself literally within a few seconds.


New arrivals? New experimental military craft? Could be all kinds of reasonable explanations.

But it certainly isn’t evidence of a cosmic trickster god. That doesn’t explain it. Why would Loki change the design of his magically manifested airships? If anything, the appearance of new objects in the skies indicates that something different is present, not the same deity changing tactics for no discernible reason.


So it is a religion to you, then – you’re only interested in proselytizing about this subject as long as it appears to you to conform to your belief in an omnipotent supernatural being. Good to know.

The rest of us just want rational answers, no matter what those answers turn out to be.
this is gonna be the last of these posts, they are clearly quite tiring and boring to write for both of us and its clearly leading nowhere, you are a strong ETH believer just like i am a strong IDH believer, this is obviously gonna lead nowhere
No you’re missing the point – the theory of operation is mathematically and theoretically and experimentally proven in principle now, and the AAV phenomenon demonstrates its practical application year after year. So we know that it can be done. We just don’t know how to build it ourselves yet. But we’re working on it, and we’ll figure it out eventually. Probably sooner than later.

That’s why it’s called scientific progress – we routinely learn how to do things which were only possible in theory, but out of reach technologically. For example, Einstein thought that we’d never be able to detect gravitational waves because they’re so weak. But only 100 years later, they’re headline news. So even the greatest geniuses among our species routinely underestimate the rate of progress and future capabilities of human technology. And that's why it's so easy to believe in the march of scientific progress - it has a long and irrefutable track record of transforming the impossible but theoretically viable, into reality.
its a matter of wait and see, no point in talking about the future, because all predictions are wrong
Any intelligent life form will evolve the capability to build complex tools, just as we did, because the key adaptive advantage of intelligence is the capacity to build and use tools. So it’s logically self-evident that any type of intelligent creature, whether it looks like a humanoid, or a spider, or a slug, will have evolved formidable tool-making capabilities.
again we are dealing with another wait and see matter, we have no idea what a alien even looks like, its possible we are the only physical sentient race in the universe and the others are weirder
You don’t need to shield gravity. And we generate gravitational fields all the time; they’re just too weak to measure. Every time you charge a capacitor or turn on an electromagnet, you generate a gravitational field. There’s a valid experimental proposal for creating a sufficiently powerful gravitational field in the lab to measure, using a pair of large superconductive magnets and a laser interferometer. It just hasn’t been funded because it would be pricey, and there’s little incentive to do it because a weak gravitational field can't really teach us anything useful.
look how short have we come in relations to using the forces of the universe, we can't even manipulate gravitational fields! don't even think about the more powerfull forces
Keel’s cult of cosmic trickster fanatics can’t even explain the idea in a cogent manner, and they reject all analytical and scientific reasoning just as you do. So I see no reason to waste my time reading his stuff, just as I have no time to read L. Ron Hubbard's stuff - there’s not enough time in the day to keep up with all of the good, logical, reasonable scientific work being done.
he does explain it very well in the second chapter of operation trojan horse
And yet you believe in an invisible omnipotent prankster god from some supernatural realm, that can magically manifest material objects in the sky that look and behave exactly like advanced field propulsion devices. So don’t try to pretend that you’re a pragmatic realist: you’re trying to make people believe in Loki, instead of credible empirical science.
can it be really a religion if i don't worship this entity? frankly i think he is a asshole for trying to harrass a primitive civilization
I think that’s likely. But when I’m at the mall and I get thirsty, I get a bottle of water from somebody at the food court – I don’t drive all the way back home for it. That would be stupid.
again we have strayed into "wait and see" territory, pointless to discuss
where the hell (heh) i said its a demon??????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Those airships could’ve been built by humans at that time, so they’re not even in the same category as AAVs. And you’re assuming – with zero evidence, that those sightings were real, not hoaxes. Certainly the quaint stories of Victorian gentlemen landing in airships smoking cigars and tipping their top hats sound nothing like the modern AAV phenomenon. So you’re connecting two unrelated dots and thereby confusing yourself in the process.
john keel devotes an entire chapter to this issue and he shows that indeed its the same phenomena using the same tricks
“the golden ufological rule is: everyone is lying until proven otherwise”? You’re directly contradicting yourself literally within a few seconds.
i apply this rule mostly to researchers, to witnesses i use a different methodology
New arrivals? New experimental military craft? Could be all kinds of reasonable explanations.
wait and see territory again
But it certainly isn’t evidence of a cosmic trickster god. That doesn’t explain it. Why would Loki change the design of his magically manifested airships? If anything, the appearance of new objects in the skies indicates that something different is present, not the same deity changing tactics for no discernible reason.
it isn't changing tactics its the exact same phenomena but adaptating to changes in your pop culture
So it is a religion to you, then – you’re only interested in proselytizing about this subject as long as it appears to you to conform to your belief in an omnipotent supernatural being. Good to know.
nice leap of logic, huh?
anyway lets end this here, if you don't like IDH then okay whatever, we aren't done any damage to the ufological community
 

wwkirk

Divine
In the latest episode of Open Minds Radio, Alejandro Rojas and Martin Willis offer an intelligent critique of the latest offering from To The Stars Academy.

"Hosts Alejandro Rojas and Martin Willis discuss the latest UFO news including the scientific analysis of materials allegedly from a UFO. The materials are in the hands of the To the Stars Academy, who has created a program called the ADAM Project to scientifically analyze materials believed to have come from anomalous sources, especially UFOs. Recently, they released an article regarding material that they say has been debated for decades. Although they do not say for sure, it appears this material was sent anonymously to Art Bell in the 90s and is referred to as "Art's Parts." Alejandro and Martin also discuss their interviews with witnesses to a very credible alleged alien encounter in South Africa, and the latest UFO news."
 

Dejan Corovic

As above, so bellow
The dexterity of octopuses is another excellent example - they don't even have pincers and yet they can unscrew the lid of a jar from the inside:

Just an iteresting aside. Octopus has 9 brains, one for each limb, plus the central brain in the head. They are really masters of multitasking.
 

wwkirk

Divine
Chris told me the following about his new podcast:
He hasn't begun posting them yet. We have 5 shows in the can, but the announcer intro and show IDs are still being recorded by the one-and-only WPLJ/XM Radio DJ Meg Griffin.

When they begin to be posted, they will be found at the following site:
Out There with Ted
 

Dejan Corovic

As above, so bellow
The rest of us just want rational answers, no matter what those answers turn out to be.

Looking for rational answers?

Tribalisam is core of our DNA. Just check Ford vs Kavanaugh drama in which a whole nation and half the world took part. Whole of US lost a week doing nothing but quareling.
 

Dejan Corovic

As above, so bellow
By the way, for extradimensional crowd, here is one more downer:



First real test for extra dimensions failed. Good luck counting till 11.
 

humanoidlord

ce3 researcher
By the way, for extradimensional crowd, here is one more downer:



First real test for extra dimensions failed. Good luck counting till 11.

frankly i ain't even sure if its interdimensional anymore, just that it has the cosmic trickster mindset and is a entity that can do anything, not a civilization
 
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