'Do Your Homework Before Entering The UFO Fray'

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  1. karl 12

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    Stanford Professor of Astrophysics Dr Peter A. Sturrock is a pretty well established and well respected scientist in the UFO field and has been involved with some great research over the years with his colleague Dr.Jacques Vallee and billionaire philanthropist Laurance Rockefeller - he also conducted some great work exposing the Condo Report and revealed the 'huge disconnecton' between Dr Condon’s conclusions and the actual reports of the scientists who conducted the research (also how many of his final summaries were 'variously misleading, false or inaccurate').
    In response to a debunking article published in APS Physics News, he provides some good advice in the letter below and presents six recommendations to physicists invited to take part in a discussion about the UFO phenomenon - perhaps the first one is the most relevant.


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    There are also two relevant statements below made by Dr Sturrock where he brings up the subject of deeply embedded prejudice within the mainstream scientific community and the fact that many scientists have 'never had the occasion to confront evidence concerning the UFO phenomenon' - he also calls for the subject to be subjected to open and extensive scientific study.



    Don't know how many folks agree with Dr Sturrock but there's also a few statements and links in this thread

    Credible Statements about the UFO/OVNI subject.

    explaining how the statistical conclusions of the Condon report should 'arouse sufficient scientific curiosity to continue UFO study' - there's also plenty of reasons to be highly skeptical of official unexplained report percentages and serious questions raised about the objectivity and active agenda of government sponsored investigations into the UFO subject.

    Links:

    A Tale of Two Sciences: Memoirs of a Dissident Scientist by Peter A. Sturrock

    SCIENCE and the UFO CONTROVERSY
     
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  2. Dejan Corovic

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  3. 1963

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    Hi Karl,...'Do Your Homework Before Entering The UFO Fray' ...
    good thread mate and great advice from a true giant of open minded scientific investigation of UFO's.... but advice that is seldom [if ever] heeded. His surveys among the scientific [astronomical] and aeronautical communities proved the stigma of confessing belief or even interest in the phenomenon to be too unbearable for the vast majority of the scientifically employed brethren to admit to. ... which in turn encourages the uneducated sneering and general distain toward a subject that they purposely keep their distance from, through perceived necessity via peer pressure.
    ... And even now almost fifty years later, his advice is still avoided by the majority of the scientific community.
    His words ... 'Do Your Homework Before Entering The UFO Fray' ...written on the top of this thread actually remind me of an interview with one of our old friends ... Michael Swords [The Professor] that he gave in 1995 to CUFON titled "State of UFOlogy today" .... The CUFON Interview of Michael D. Swords, Ph.D (September 1995)

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    And I think that this sagely advice should be heeded by all honest open minded students whether scientifically educated or not.

    Cheers Buddy.
     
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  4. SOUL-DRIFTER

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    A great thread.

    Yes indeed Karl.
     
  5. karl 12

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    Appreciate the replies and couldn't agree more - think it's fair to say that probably one of the most important scientists ever to investigate the UFO subject was atmospherical physicist Dr James E McDonald and there's a new (and very interesting) vid below about him from Richard Dolan:





    Archive:

    James E. McDonald papers, (1904-1997)

    Case Studies:

    UFO Symposium 1968: McDonald Case Studies

    Digital Recordings:

    Unidentified Aerial Phenomena - scientific research: James E McDonald - digital recordings collection


    Also really liked this quote from astrophysicist Bernard Haisch.



    Cheers!
     
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  6. karl 12

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    1963 Lovely post mate and Michael Swords really is a great man - below are some of the book links from his recommended reading section (couldn't find them all :( )


    Cheers
     
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    Bump...:Whistle:

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  8. SOUL-DRIFTER

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    Seems many youths into UFOs and aliens are convinced aliens are demons and not from other worlds at all.
    They are completely lost about it and that becomes just an easy explanation for them.
    Those kinds of ideas is something I would expect people from the middle ages to conclude.
     
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  9. August

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    Tin can saucers are one thing but the Supernatural is another.
     
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  10. Dejan Corovic

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    Just reading lots of UFO books will get you nowhere.

    UFO studying homework must include learning science.

    If one has no scientific knowledge he can only do a mediocre job of interpreting UFO cases. It is impossible to judge an advanced technological phenomenon while being completely ignorant even about own level of science & technology.

    Common sense is only good for the stone age.
     
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  11. August

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    Seeing is believing no books needed there.
     
  12. Dejan Corovic

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    That's a typical limitation of common sense.

    Common sense would tell one that he can't see an airplane flying through clouds. But, scientifically speaking, that's trivial because one can just turn on the radar and even see aircraft if it is 500 miles away in the middle of a thunderstorm.

    Even better, there is a black hole in the center of our Milky Way galaxy. A black hole doesn't emit light, so one can not see it. But scientists can work out the mass of the blackhole by simply using Newton gravity equations, or even better general relativity.

    People who are uneducated are simply deprived of seeing the full picture. They are only aware of the banalest aspects of reality. What one can see is always going to depend on one's knowledge. Those who know less see less. That's why one goes to see the doctor, in the first place, because the doctor knows more.
     
  13. August

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    I was talking about me not him. Geez Dejan get a grip with your postulating.
     
  14. dr wu

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    Good post by the OP back in 2018.
    I have been on various ufo related forums since early 2000 and many people simply have not done much reading nor 'homework'. And many glom onto a specific weird claim like the 'Billy Meier' case or aliens doing cattle mutes and become acolytes for it.
    Keep an open mind but also be skeptical at times.
     
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