Electric Cars

[Dejan Corovic]

A lot of the threat to the Western car industry from cheap Chinese EVs is due to self-created pressure to adopt EVs in the first place, by fining western companies for producing ICE vehicles.

Agreed,

But point here is that Chinese cars are not just cheap, but of very high quality. Actually of such a high quality for a price that Western car makers can't compete. And that's their own conclusion.

We had seen same process before. In 19th centrury German, and indeed American, products were "cheap" then they became synonim for quality. Then Japanese products were "cheap" and became high quality. Now Chinese are reaching that new level. Regan's Fed chairman Valker imposed Plazza accord on Japanese and curbed Japanese economy, but the same can't be done with Chinese.

What i think was idiotic happened 10 - 20 years ago when Western politicians started pumping capital in China to aid its growth. That was a huge mistake and basically Chine become threat by receiving money from West. West should had invested that money into it's own nations, not int China. Now its going to be really hard to reverse this trend.

 

[AD1184]

But point here is that Chinese cars are not just cheap, but of very high quality. Actually of such a high quality for a price that Western car makers can't compete. And that's their own conclusion.

Well, it is only a point because there is pressure in western markets to adopt EVs. China does not produce ICE cars of a similar quality, or at all. So if there was a level playing field in western markets for ICE and electric cars, there would be significantly less market penetration by Chinese manufacturers.

 

[Dejan Corovic]

Well, it is only a point because there is pressure in western markets to adopt EVs. China does not produce ICE cars of a similar quality, or at all. So if there was a level playing field in western markets for ICE and electric cars, there would be significantly less market penetration by Chinese manufacturers.

Another thing about EVs is that for China they are of strategic value. Chine is producing lots of cheap electricity and by reducing its dependancy on oil China is less prone to the maritime blockade by US.

 

[pigfarmer]

EVs seem to have lost some of their shine here in the US, if for no other reason is the need to throw **** at Tesla. They're not going away but neither are traditional ICE vehicles.

 

[Dejan Corovic]

EVs seem to have lost some of their shine here in the US, if for no other reason is the need to throw **** at Tesla. They're not going away but neither are traditional ICE vehicles.

EVs are drifting towards becoming "poor man's" cars.

 

[nivek]

EVs seem to have lost some of their shine here in the US, if for no other reason is the need to throw **** at Tesla. They're not going away but neither are traditional ICE vehicles.

Public opinion was never high in regards to EVs as we all know, it was Biden's administration who was the chief promoter of EVs and that mandate died when Trump was elected,, which in part reflected public opinion...Tesla never tried to replace ICE vehicles with EVs, they just tried to get a slice of the pie in automobile sales market, nothing wrong with that and personally I would own a Tesla as a second vehicle, the higher end models are quiet nice...All the hatred towards Tesla is short-lived, the liberal hate mobs will find something else to raise their torches to and scream at, indubitably...

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[pigfarmer]

Honestly, in congested urban areas where there is enough $$ to support the necessary infrastructure they make sense. I'd even argue hybrids do in suburban areas. But take a drive across the Midwest and forget about it. I've only been through the desert southwest once and there are places where you have to make sure there are enough gas stations and water much less anything else.