Thunder_Bull45
Native Injunuity
I’ve always been interested in “ancient” artifacts! I find it most interesting in that our view of ancient is most often dictated by the political/social views of the time.
There is a still a ongoing dispute about paleo Indians in the Americas ,which by the way I don’t like using the term “paleo” strictly because we keep finding evidence of older and older cultures. It’s like jumping in the middle and saying “Clovis first” but what about te stuff found older than Clovis!?
Are they the pre-first!?
The “first” Native Americans have always been dictated by the agenda of the politics of the time! During the removal years and manifest destiny it was ok to take the land from the immigrant savages since they were no older than a 1,000 years and this wasn’t their land. Fast foreword to the indigenous claims to ancient bones and the “white coats” wanting to test them under the guise that this isn’t your people, it is too old!
When they finally got the ok to test, they found genetically the old bones were related to the indigenous tribes! I’m going off memory here on a subject that I’m extremely intersted in but anyway I think it was the Kennewick man in this example for those interested in researching it. Something like 9,000 year old bones .
So the narrative is constantly changing as is the models of not only how but when the peopling of America started. To claim paleo it would seem to me you would have to know there wasnt anyone before !!!
Why haven’t they found as much “pre first” first people ? Because the shifts between glacial prime and Ice melt wasn’t as smooth as everyone was implying. In a very short time the earth dramatically changed back and forth from glacial to interglacial periods, it’s even considered a cataclysmic change that not only caused mass extinction of the mega fauna in America but also covered the continent in a black midden of earth referred as the younger dryas Which is the strata where Clovis artifacts are found.
What to me is so mind boggling is that even when stuff is found below that strata or older than Clovis , it’s mostly washed away as mistaken archeology. Dr Dennis Stanford has some Interesting details on “pre Clovis” sites, some of which found miles off the coast under 300 feet of water. So during these shifts the American continent did flood! Ocean levels changed up and down 300 something feet. Old stuff is gonna be under the ocean. And older stuff is likely destroyed by the dramatic shifts in between!
Randall Carson has some mind blowing insights to America’s Climate change 12,000+ years ago. It’s worth a google !
All of this to say, we don’t find really old stuff, till we look in the right places, and politics doesn’t want the truth of older culture out, and also that pot looks like some miner equipment left by a 49’r. In coal but probably brought there recently .
There is a growing evidence of old stuff out there though !
There is a still a ongoing dispute about paleo Indians in the Americas ,which by the way I don’t like using the term “paleo” strictly because we keep finding evidence of older and older cultures. It’s like jumping in the middle and saying “Clovis first” but what about te stuff found older than Clovis!?
Are they the pre-first!?
The “first” Native Americans have always been dictated by the agenda of the politics of the time! During the removal years and manifest destiny it was ok to take the land from the immigrant savages since they were no older than a 1,000 years and this wasn’t their land. Fast foreword to the indigenous claims to ancient bones and the “white coats” wanting to test them under the guise that this isn’t your people, it is too old!
When they finally got the ok to test, they found genetically the old bones were related to the indigenous tribes! I’m going off memory here on a subject that I’m extremely intersted in but anyway I think it was the Kennewick man in this example for those interested in researching it. Something like 9,000 year old bones .
So the narrative is constantly changing as is the models of not only how but when the peopling of America started. To claim paleo it would seem to me you would have to know there wasnt anyone before !!!
Why haven’t they found as much “pre first” first people ? Because the shifts between glacial prime and Ice melt wasn’t as smooth as everyone was implying. In a very short time the earth dramatically changed back and forth from glacial to interglacial periods, it’s even considered a cataclysmic change that not only caused mass extinction of the mega fauna in America but also covered the continent in a black midden of earth referred as the younger dryas Which is the strata where Clovis artifacts are found.
What to me is so mind boggling is that even when stuff is found below that strata or older than Clovis , it’s mostly washed away as mistaken archeology. Dr Dennis Stanford has some Interesting details on “pre Clovis” sites, some of which found miles off the coast under 300 feet of water. So during these shifts the American continent did flood! Ocean levels changed up and down 300 something feet. Old stuff is gonna be under the ocean. And older stuff is likely destroyed by the dramatic shifts in between!
Randall Carson has some mind blowing insights to America’s Climate change 12,000+ years ago. It’s worth a google !
All of this to say, we don’t find really old stuff, till we look in the right places, and politics doesn’t want the truth of older culture out, and also that pot looks like some miner equipment left by a 49’r. In coal but probably brought there recently .
There is a growing evidence of old stuff out there though !
