'Flat Earthers' who reject basic science

Castle-Yankee54

Celestial
Creationist says to the others: 'we counter Darwin by citing the example of the eye as a structure that could not have evolved'

What's your equivalent?
They're most likely attention seekers, trolls or flat out stupid. I once registered on a Flat Earth forum, and asked basic questions, because I was curious what they would answer. They said that when you are on an airplane, the windows actually have a fake screen installed, showing you the curve of the horizon...

This is like all the conspiracy nutcases who say the aircraft were faked on 9/11.
 

Gambeir

Celestial
LOL! at those believing the 'earth is flat'. but then LOL! to anyone who believes they have anything more than a kernel of a soul or believes they have more than an inkling of willpower.

the statement 'its impossible to really explain anything to people like that', indeedly, says it well, for all of it. 'believers' eh.

Nonsense, I have an Iron Will...for others of course.

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Castle-Yankee54

Celestial
They're most likely attention seekers, trolls or flat out stupid. I once registered on a Flat Earth forum, and asked basic questions, because I was curious what they would answer. They said that when you are on an airplane, the windows actually have a fake screen installed, showing you the curve of the horizon...

I remember seeing the curvature of the earth....and its easy to test.
 

Castle-Yankee54

Celestial
Assuming the disc was spinning it would.....but it would not go in opposite directions as it does in the two hemispheres.

This is another indication it is round.
 

dr wu

Noble
It truly boggles my mind that in this day and age anyone would actually believe that the world is flat.
IMHO they would have to be delusional in a psychiatric manner. What other explanation could there be?
 

Merle

Honorable
It truly boggles my mind that in this day and age anyone would actually believe that the world is flat.
IMHO they would have to be delusional in a psychiatric manner. What other explanation could there be?
Not much different than those who believe in Conspiracy, Religion and Sprituality, Gods, Rapture, Reincarnation, Heaven, Hell, Hollow Earth and so on and on the list goes...

This article from a website I rather like is a good read about an Australian bloke called John who is a Doctor and now believes the Earth is Flat and his wife Gemma who is a Clinical Psychologist and believes the Earth is Round... It explains how he was drawn into believing this and how things fell into place for him once he did belive it.... Some inserts from the article below and the comments after the article are interesting too:

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Peter Ellerton, founding director of the University of Queensland Critical Thinking Project. Peter's written extensively on why people believe in a flat earth, but believes the answer is relatively straightforward. It's simply the narrative people write for themselves. Once that narrative has been established, it's near impossible to rewrite.

'The psychology of why they believe what they believe isn’t wildly different from the reasons why we believe what we believe," explains Peter. 'It just so happens that these people have written a strange story.'

Peter's view: human beings like to tell stories. Stories are what allow us to understand and interpret the world we inhabit. Stories define our reality. These stories can be constructed based on scientific consensus or built upon existing narratives in religious texts — either way, they're created in much the same way. And they're equally as rigid. It's difficult to convince a lifelong anti-vaccer to vaccinate their children. And it's difficult to convince flat earthers that the earth is round. It's tough to untie that knot.

But the knot that is Flat Earth Theory is unique: it involves the rejection of our most fundamental understanding of the world and how the universe works. The earth is a spherical planet that revolves around the sun: that's a belief most would consider absolute. Peter believes there's a cognitive dissonance at play; it takes a certain level of arrogance to reject scientific expertise, but there's also a simple pleasure in it.

'Flat earthers feel crappy because they don’t understand a lot of this stuff," Peter believes, 'so they find a way to minimise the stuff they don’t understand.'

By rejecting the established science, flat earthers place themselves in a position of power.

'Suddenly they feel like they’re the experts, and that’s a good feeling. Why wouldn’t you want to maintain that feeling?'

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She remembers one moment. John standing in the kitchen, telling Gemma he felt estranged from humanity, that he was 'existentially lonely'.

'He said: 'no-one thinks the way that I think. People aren’t comfortable with my ideas. There's no-one I can connect with and talk to'.

'That's sad.'

But there's a dichotomy. Gemma recognises that. John feels lonely, but that loneliness makes him feel special. There's a comfort in that loneliness, in believing you're enlightened one.

'I love him,' says Gemma, finally. 'He's a highly intelligent person and worthy of respect, but this is fucking mental. It's crazy.'

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On a certain level it's easy to be seduced by the idea of a flat earth. It draws you in; a tractor beam of alluring ideas and concepts. A flat earth: it all but confirms the concept of a creator, our collective hope for something more than this. It places us — humanity — back at the centre of the universe. No longer hurtling through the void of an infinite universe beyond our measure and comprehension. No longer at the mercy of physical forces beyond our control. No longer Carl Sagan's pale blue dot.

No longer insignificant. There's a comfort in that. John is correct: there's a beauty in that.

Because now John looks at the stars — we sit in hushed awe, daunted and humbled by the scope of the universe and our place in it — but John's stars move differently. He sits on his porch. He watches the sun set; a sun we no longer orbit. He is comforted, perhaps resolute.

In the place where he sits, in this precise moment in time, John's stars revolve around him.

The Men Who Believe The Earth Is Flat
 

dr wu

Noble
Tate said: Number 4. NASA has told us some lies in the past and hide some stuff but when it comes to earth it's self. I would say they have told us 75% of the truth and gave us empirical data to go along with there claims.


Can you name some of these lies so we can deconstruct the truth of any of the claims that they are lies?
:Sneaky:
 

Tate

Honorable
Tate said: Number 4. NASA has told us some lies in the past and hide some stuff but when it comes to earth it's self. I would say they have told us 75% of the truth and gave us empirical data to go along with there claims.


Can you name some of these lies so we can deconstruct the truth of any of the claims that they are lies?
:Sneaky:

Nope, Simply Because i am not NASA. Any Human Lie's Eventually Double or Triple that chance if they work for secretive government Facilities. Example: If your wife Mary Lied to you, Could you tell how many lies she told or pinpoint a single lie? You could not, You just have to trust her when she comes clean. NASA Parallel to Marry in the Example. This does not steem from my own trust issue's it has been proven many times that governmental facilities and entity's have lied to us. It is simply a Numbers game.
 

dr wu

Noble
Nope, Simply Because i am not NASA. Any Human Lie's Eventually Double or Triple that chance if they work for secretive government Facilities. Example: If your wife Mary Lied to you, Could you tell how many lies she told or pinpoint a single lie? You could not, You just have to trust her when she comes clean. NASA Parallel to Marry in the Example. This does not steem from my own trust issue's it has been proven many times that governmental facilities and entity's have lied to us. It is simply a Numbers game.
Ok then so you can't really back up your comments.....but do you want to try and name the areas where you think they are lying or just make unfounded claims on a forum?
 

Tate

Honorable
I believe we have found life on other planets. I believe we have found water and breathable air on other planets. I believe there is more to Mars Than they tell us. I believe they and other Government contracted people have sent weapons into space to protect us from outside entity's. I believe E.B.E's have been on Earth for centuries. That is what i believe but can not prove because i do not have the power to do so. Now Dr Wu, If you would kindly grant me the power too. I would divulge the info Hidden across various Entity's and Governments. If you can not Access all Redacted Files and Archives for items Across Various Entity's and Governments how can you say there is no such thing? It falls to Belief i guess between us.
 

dr wu

Noble
I believe we have found life on other planets. I believe we have found water and breathable air on other planets. I believe there is more to Mars Than they tell us. I believe they and other Government contracted people have sent weapons into space to protect us from outside entity's. I believe E.B.E's have been on Earth for centuries. That is what i believe but can not prove because i do not have the power to do so. Now Dr Wu, If you would kindly grant me the power too. I would divulge the info Hidden across various Entity's and Governments. If you can not Access all Redacted Files and Archives for items Across Various Entity's and Governments how can you say there is no such thing? It falls to Belief i guess between us.
I suspect many 'believe' as you do....do you have anything at all to support your beliefs?
Why do you believe such things? Are you basing this on internet tales...or what exactly? Or do you just like to believe in such things?
As an example I'll pick your comment that you said: 'we have found life on other planets'. Can you be specific and explain this? Where and how?
 

Tate

Honorable
Life does not have to be Sentient. Viruses, Bacteria, Fungi and the smallest protozoan. Not to mention many other things are forms of life. We may or may not have found actual Sentient Life on other planet's but i do believe with all the soil samples they had, we have found The beginnings or Remains of it. What would have been more interesting is if you had asked me about the E.B.E's Dr Wu.
 

dr wu

Noble
Life does not have to be Sentient. Viruses, Bacteria, Fungi and the smallest protozoan. Not to mention many other things are forms of life. We may or may not have found actual Sentient Life on other planet's but i do believe with all the soil samples they had, we have found The beginnings or Remains of it. What would have been more interesting is if you had asked me about the E.B.E's Dr Wu.
I honestly don't believe that if we had found basic cellular life that NASA or anyone else would not release that to the public.
What soil samples? It sees like you have some conspiracy theories going on.....but I'll ask anyway...what about the EBE's..?
 

Tate

Honorable
I honestly don't believe that if we had found basic cellular life that NASA or anyone else would not release that to the public.
What soil samples? It sees like you have some conspiracy theories going on.....but I'll ask anyway...what about the EBE's..?

Eactly! What Soil Sample's... You are going to tell me landing on multiple planets and going to a moon that in all that time NASA never had the thought to bring back one soil sample? Or to send Machines to Check the Soil? Conspiracies Abound my man, Conspiracies Abound

E.B.E's or Extra-Terrestrial Biological Entities have been here since before we had a written language. Why do i say this? Star charts of different hemispheres found before we had telescopes. Cave painting, Written texts and Cuneiform tablets all describe them being here also. there is too much written through out history to not think they have been here. Now do i think they were behind this and that like everyone else? No, Besides monitoring us. I have seen no evidence they are directly communicating with us.
 

Castle-Yankee54

Celestial
I honestly don't believe that if we had found basic cellular life that NASA or anyone else would not release that to the public.

What soil samples?

There were numerous soil samples taken and analyzed by the rovers on Mars. They have found evidence of water and evidence of past larger sources of water......they just haven't found any life....even microbial.

I'm sure such life will be found once we get boots on the ground and can easily travel over the martian surface. I'm just not going to live to see that.

They also took rock and dust samples from the moon for analyses....so I'm not sure what they are hiding.
 

dr wu

Noble
Eactly! What Soil Sample's... You are going to tell me landing on multiple planets and going to a moon that in all that time NASA never had the thought to bring back one soil sample? Or to send Machines to Check the Soil? Conspiracies Abound my man, Conspiracies Abound

E.B.E's or Extra-Terrestrial Biological Entities have been here since before we had a written language. Why do i say this? Star charts of different hemispheres found before we had telescopes. Cave painting, Written texts and Cuneiform tablets all describe them being here also. there is too much written through out history to not think they have been here. Now do i think they were behind this and that like everyone else? No, Besides monitoring us. I have seen no evidence they are directly communicating with us.
Landings on what multiple planets...? Nothing has returned from Mars that I know of and moon samples have been analyzed and explained years ago. What samples are you specifically referring to..? No offense but imho those that buy into conspiracies on this are conspiracy minded to begin with. Sorry if that offends you.
The 'evidence' you named for EBE's in the past is old news from believers regarding the ancient astronaut ideas... ....sadly none of it convinces real scientists (who would love to find real alien life imho...) but does convince ....sorry again...the conspiracy fans.
Regarding the here and now while many people claim to have werid experiences I'm not convinced in any way that it's real aliens from outer space.
 
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