Gene Steinberg's Financial Shenanigans @ Paracast forums

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  1. The shadow

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    number 197..
    you are homeless.
    you wake up each day wondering?
    I barely avoided losing my job!
    I still don't know my duties or hours going forward.
    join the crowd Gene. but no one here will beg
     
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  2. GhostofBiedny

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    Your victims can only hope.

    You don't have your own bed you pathetic loser. You live in rented accomodation or motels.

    He must have read that on twitter and on here because unlike a normal person he seemed incapable of realising that himself.

    No you keep putting yourself in the mess. You expect others to try to get you out. You make no effort at all. That is one of the most annoying things about your pathetic existence.

    Wow what a shock. How could we have foreseen that you would magically pay the motel when you said you only had pennies left after spending your last dollar at Burger King. How did this miracle occur? Is it possible that you are full of shit and everything you say is a lie?

    The storage facility where you keep your "meagre" furniture which you didn't need and was worth nothing and also lets you keep your stuff there for months while you pay late or don't pay at all? The same storage facility which you are keeping things in despite having 3 carloads of items in your motel room? The storage facility which would have auctioned your stuff off weeks ago if this story were true? Do you think we have pea sized brains?

    No you don't wonder that. You just want other people to think you do so you can wring money out of them. You create these insane cliffhangers every day and somehow magically, every time for months (years even) you manage to get by without even once ending up on the street. That is just not possible even in your twisted mind.

    LOL. How did they get negative? Nothing to do with you?
     
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  3. Alien

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    'As it stands, I was able to cover the motel for another night yesterday with minutes to spare. That means they have to pay them today by 11 AM Mountain time.'

    Who is they , Gene ?

    The idiots who send you money?
     
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  4. Standingstones

    Standingstones See you in heaven, if you make the list.

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    If I were being tossed out of the motel, the junk I had stored would not even register on my worry list. Again it is all nonsense what Steinberg rants about. Murphy on the other hand is transparent as they come. He knows full well what Steinberg is all about. For whatever reasons he chooses to ignore the truth. He is basically cut from the same cloth. I seem to recall him saying at one time that he is jobless as well. That is probably the reason he has an abundance of time to waste on the Paracast website.

    Murphy is another person who should worry about getting a real job rather that being the hall monitor.
     
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  5. goblin

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    Wow I missed that 'they'. How telling.
     
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  6. GhostofBiedny

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    Agreed. I missed it too. A nice glimpse into the mind of an overentitled freeloading moron. He is offended that "he" had to pay yesterday, now "they" must pay today to make up for it. I think these little Freudian slips are the only truths that Gene can produce.
     
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  7. GhostofBiedny

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    Another great comment on UFOtrail about yesterday's shenanigans:

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    Funny how quickly that last dollar spent at Burger King storyline died. It's like it never happened. Gene had pennies yesterday and no food, yet somehow he paid his motel bill. Also I forgot about the free breakfast.
     
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  8. GhostofBiedny

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    Here's another from today about the garbage that Gene has up on the TNOL website to diffuse the "wacky conspiracy theories" using his usual tool - lies:

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  9. Standingstones

    Standingstones See you in heaven, if you make the list.

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    One thing you can say about Steinberg’s begging posts, they aren’t very original. How many times do we have to hear about the hamburger? Again he is on his last gasp yet he just received his Social Security money. Does he think that no one knows this? What is puzzling if true, is that there are people out there still sending money to the Schemer? After awhile you would think these people would wise up. You can never satisfy Steinberg with just one donation. He will flood you forever with his begging.
     
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  10. GhostofBiedny

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    That's part of what is so mystifying about this whole saga. How does he still expect people to believe his unending recycling of the same tired stories again and again? It makes no sense and neither does anyone sending him any money off the back of them. None of it adds up.
     
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  11. erickson

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    This post is longer than I would want to write, but Gene wants to correct wacky conspiracy theories about how he first started to ask people to support him. The story has been told here, on the UFOTrail and other sites so most of us are familiar with the facts. Still, this is Gene's most thorough response. Let's break it down:

    A legal jam. For years Gene portrayed Stephen as a victim. A 2003 update attributed to Grayson Steinberg stated: "Their problems have been greatly increased over the past five years, as an elderly woman with millions of dollars in the bank and time on her hands has been harassing them relentlessly because of a failed financial deal. Her actions are completely unjustified. The matter has gone through several federal and state court actions, and my family has won every time. Yet this woman won't give up, and her actions have deprived my cousin of his disability insurance, and left his parents destitute. Creditors are constantly hounding them and they are on the verge of becoming homeless."

    Gene also maintained that Stephen was to receive a settlement that would make everything right - in 2011 he defended himself against David Biedny's warning about a nonexistent settlement by stating categorically that it was real.

    Gene has stated that tens of thousands in judgments against him from that time were from loans that he took out to help Stephen, that he could not repay when things did not work out. After emptying his savings - and Grayson's college fund - Gene was left destitute. Perhaps. But for someone who once was registered as the president of a consulting firm that gave investment advice, he might have been more careful.

    Gene has posted responses at the UFO Trail, JayVay, other sites. Indeed, on the UFO Trail (May 18, 2018) he wrote, "My brother-in-law died of pancreatic cancer before he could settle his case, leaving his wife and handicapped son paupers." This response made no sense since a case could be settled or prosecuted after Stephen's death on behalf of his estate. Gene's response is what led me to search for any legal action brought by Stephen - when that search turned up nothing, I found the record of Stephen's crimes instead.

    I contacted Gene about the information I found because I did not want to post any comments about Stephen without giving Gene a chance to clear things up. Jack Brewer also contacted Gene before posting his thorough article on Stephen at the UFO Trail. I assume Gene would be welcome to post a response here.

    There was no need to put a bad spin on the facts. Gene's own writings did it himself.

    First, I have been a public defender and we can handle complex cases. I have been involved with more complex cases than this. Alternative counsel might have been appointed for special reasons. So that was a mistake. If he qualified for a public defender, it was because he did not have full financial resources of his own. Hiring a private attorney when your own businesses are failing (according to court records) is not a good idea.

    Let's be clear about this. Stephen faced 14 charges relating to theft and fraud. The primary victim was a 76 year old woman. Stephen defrauded the victim. Among the most morally egregious actions was taking over $40,000 from the victim for Stephen's father-in law's (Phillip Kaplan) care, which he used instead for himself. At that time the Phoenix police department was looking for Stephen because he had abandoned his father-in-law and depleted Kaplan's account. Apparently this did not bother either Gene or Barbara as they went on to allegedly deplete their own accounts.

    There were several charges related to fraudulent financial dealings, but I would not call it a complicated case - it was pretty open and shut. Stephen admitted that his primary business (Numis Gems / sports memorabilia) was not doing well. He stated that he took money from he victims to pay for a lifestyle he could not afford - over $168,000 was still owed his primary victim and another victim was owed over $18,500.

    Stephen had been through bankruptcy before. His primary business was failing. He faced massive restitution fines and jail time. Yet Gene seemingly asked no questions. Gene instead painted the victim as a vengeful woman who had harassed Stephen after losing in court. Gene described a "settlement" rather than a supposed stock sale.

    He described Stephen as a victim. He continues to do this here, someone who had to accept a plea agreement rather than mount a full defense.

    I find this personally offensive because I treasure the presumption of innocence. This is not what that presumption is about.

    I am looking at what Stephen admitted in the pre-sentence investigation by court officers and the records of his sentencing including the massive restitution fine ordered by the court. The presumption does not apply to a guilt plea.

    This is accurate enough - although it left out that the restitution fines totaled $186,000. Gene never acknowledged Stephen's actual status as a felon while he continued to vaguely refer to Stephen's legal problems and a supposed settlement.

    Gene acknowledges that he helped Stephen evade the terms of his probation, but he is vague on the dates and perhaps implies that it occurred after 2010.

    Gene became president of Numis Gems in 2004. The website was copyrighted to Gene's "Making the Impossible" during this time. Gene told me that he only helped with the web site, but the sole reason for transferring the corporate ownership was to make Gene have legal control. During various proceedings, Stephen referred to Gene as the owner of the business and sought to modify probation so that he could be employed by Gene.

    Why wasn't restitution discussed? Stephen was under a court judgment that entailed $186,000. Gene states that he had given Stephen around 200,000 and Gene owed tens of thousands of dollars in judgments related to this. Perhaps Gene should have discussed restitution - if they did not mention it, it says a lot about both Stephen and Gene.

    Gene consistently referred to this as a settlement rather than a stock sale be when he sent out solicitations or posted on various sites. There is a difference.

    I began my search to find records of a court action that Stephen had brought that could account for an outstanding case at the time of Stephen's death. I did not find anything in Arizona or federal courts. Since Gene refers to out of state attorneys in his article, I might have not have seen it if it was in a different jurisdiction - I'll look further as time permits.

    However, until Gene provides specific information - and I trust that he can do so here - I attribute this to the same kind of allegation that described how a vengeful woman harassed Stephen even though he was consistently victorious in court.

    At the time of Stephen's death he was trying to find new victims to invest in a proven financial opportunity that would change their bottom line. So I do not put much trust in what Stephen maintained or a message left on a telephone.

    We return to the idea of a settlement. If Stephen died in the middle of a legal action, that could be carried on by his estate. Any attorney who filed a case on Stephen's behalf would be obligated to pursue it and would be speaking to Helene about that.

    In 2014 it would hardly be a quick settlement since it had allegedly been expected for ten years. That Gene had been counting on it to repay the money he gave to Stephen might have led him to look over the paperwork, particularly after Stephen's death.

    An assurance by Helene without asking to look at anything more? It defies rationality, which might be a mitigating factor for Gene if we take him at his word (cough).

    All of the above, but the only roadblock would be from Helene. Certainly she would know about the status of a court case. Gene has stated that Barbara and Helene want to go into business together when things settle down. Maybe it's time for a heart to heart discussion.

    I have stated that Gene may have been one of Stephen's victim - his greatest con may have convinced Gene to shield his business and give him money that Gene did not have.

    The latest statement, however, demonstrates that Gene clearly knew more about Stephen's affairs than he has admitted in the past. It raises the possibility that Gene may have expected something out of it - beyond repayment - but perhaps this is a wacky conspiracy theory.

    But regardless, Gene appears to invoke one of his favorite sayings, "Let's move on."

    No Gene, you can do something about it. You asked for money under what is now shown to be false pretenses. To put it charitably, you told less than the full truth even about that which you now acknowledge you knew. You slandered Stephen's victims.

    Just saying you have your own problems is not enough. Don't continue to treat Stephen as a victim. At least apologize to Stephen's victims and to those who gave you money based upon your representations. When I contacted Gene, he asked why I cared and said he had nothing to apologize for - it was the other way around. Gene's sense of morality failed.

    The Beizer saga has long been used to justify Genes solicitations - from 2003 to his 2018 Facebook appeal. What Gene now writes only confirms how little truth means to him.

    We have not stalked Gene. He stalks us for donations, it seems like almost a daily basis even after people try to remove themselves from his list. (I asked him to do this, my wife used the unsubscribe links recommended in his emails).

    It was his Gene's words that led us to Stephen's true history and to look at his bankruptcy filings. Gene would not be "stalked" if he had acted with honesty or took responsibility for his actions - if he made some attempt to change his financial situation or sought help from resources other than his mailing list.

    Really, Gene you spent you last $1.08 on a cheeseburger rather than to go to the food bank, enjoy a free nutritious meal at your local senior center, and register for low income senior housing?
     
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  12. Wade

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    A more beautiful snub there never was.
     
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  13. goblin

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    He may be counting on people like J. Randall Murphy who've already made up their minds about him (Gene's a good guy, just down on his luck and prone to begging), and people who are not real familiar with him.

    I would think his begging method worked better when he had more listeners and was sending these emails less frequently. As we've said before he doesn't like to change, so as his situation has allegedly become more precarious (at minimum we do know he was evicted from the Desert Mirage... whether he is still in a motel now though...?), he's just ramped up the frequency of requests, sometimes sending more than one a day.

    And too as I think you and others have pointed out, he perceives there being no cost to him to do this. And if he gets lucky and someone who is not paying much attention sends him some cash, he's better off than he was.

    I wonder too at the idea that he's gotten worse about the begging since Chris O'Brien departed. Whether O'Brien actually had any kind of influence or just the fear of driving him off gave Gene pause, I don't know, I kind of doubt. I think as the podcast has declined the donations have probably declined and the only solution as Gene himself has said more than once is send the emails more often.
     
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  14. GhostofBiedny

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    Thank you. This is an outstanding breakdown. Nobody else could do it this well. If you have a chance I would suggest posting this on SchemGeneRC twitter page as a screenshot as well. I think the people there would appreciate it.
     
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  15. erickson

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    A poor tactic since the more emails he sends drives people away.

    At one point, I thought he could have improved the Paracast Plus. I know about successful Patreon podcasters who offer their supporters things like group phone calls or chats, special forums, or events such as live broadcasts to encourage community. They also do not take that support for granted.

    Perhaps Gene could have used the IUFOC to have a live broadcast nearby, with audience questions. It might have generated a larger sense of the program. What could Gene hehave done so that the Paracast Plus offered more than himself?

    But even as people have left the forums, that route becomes harder. Dreams of a thousand new members or a paracast shop seem like a fantasy. Once Gene chose to go down his path and solicit every day, what options remain?

    Although there are senior services and other resources that could provide assistance, he does not appear to take advantage of that kind of help. Full steam ahead - even in the face of icebergs.
     
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  16. goblin

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    I believe that he had options to make more of the Paracast in the past. He was out there early, and had this 'serious UFO inquiry' thrust that appeared to have an audience. Even now I imagine he still has some audience, just no longer has a co-host people enjoy (I disliked Chris O'Brien before he ever became the co-host but clearly some people listened for him).

    It seems he has been consumed by his own worst impulses.
     
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  17. GhostofBiedny

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    I honestly think that Steinberg himself could never make the show better. The serious UFO enquiry bit was all from David Biedny. Steinberg himself has never cared about anything of the sort. He just loves talking about himself - reminiscing about people he knew 50 years ago and whatever TV show he is currently watching - no other subjects seem to interest him. Even when David was on the show that was the sum total of his contribution.

    When David left, Gene got the show on GCN and filled it with the aforementioned ads which in my opinion was truly the downfall. Though Chris O'Brien is not a patch on Biedny (IMO), not even David himself could have saved the show after that. Too many interruptions will wreck anything. Now put that together with inadequate co-hosts and the end result is not worth listening to even if it were not for Gene's constant financial/begging shenanigans.
     
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  18. nivek

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  19. nivek

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    Well said, I still sometimes question whether he is really staying in a motel or if he's somewhere else, staying with someone or has another apartment and just using the motel bit to drum up some fast cash...All the bs and lies from him makes me question everything and he says in order to beg for money...

    ...
     
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  20. GhostofBiedny

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    I'm shocked! Actually I'm shocked Gene didn't ban the guy completely. He just deleted that part of the conversation.
     
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