General Relativity Proves HV Lifters' Create Significant Space-Time Curvature

[Dejan Corovic]

Though it may yield acceleration, its not like a warp drive. It won't go faster than light, but also requires no negative energy matter, nothing exotic.

OK, nobody cares about faster than light, right now. All that matters is that: HIGH VOLTAGE LIFTER WILL PUSH ITSELF AGAINST EMPTY SPACE !!! So, we can build spaceships that can truly go interstellar. Or, UFOs crossing voids between the starts, by charging their hulls to ridiculously high voltages are possible according to General Relativity?

Please, confirm it once more, just so that is completely disambiguate and I can be 100% sure I got it right.

 

[Shadowprophet]

Maybe I missed it, How does one exactly avoid the entropy of Time dilation?

Also, Nutrino bombardment. I know, they will pass through not interacting, But at speeds like this, You are going to have collisions on par with a particle accelerator, Could this not harm a biological individual? I'm taking into account the Odd virtual particle or subatomic litter that could strike someone's chromosomes. How is this avoided?


I'm going on the assumption that if one is accelerating through space at great speeds they would encounter a lot more subatomic interaction. <--- an assumption Mostly a guess.

 

[waitedavid137]

Will it move like UFO, by pushing itself against vacuum?

I don't like to think of gravity as a push in that the 4-vector force and 4-vector acceleration from gravity is always zero. Its a fictitious force. However, In the sense of forces of affine connection you can think of it as such. For example if you have a hilly yard and roll a ball across the surface, the ball won't follow a straight path across, but will deflect left or right according to the geometry of that space. Earths gravity doesn't deflect the ball left or right. A normal force from the yard's, space's, surface pushes it left or right deflecting its path across the space. In GR somethings path through spacetime is deflected to tend along geodesics in an analogous manner. In the full spacetime picture of it anything always travels through four dimensional spacetime at the speed of light. Its merely its path through that spacetime that is deflected. If gravity alone is acting, it follows a geodesic. If a real force acts, then it has nonzero 4-vector acceleration and deflects off of that geodesic. If you look at a toy RC vehicle sitting still with respect to you in the room in which you sit, its 4-vector velocity in spacetime has one nonzero component of c in the time direction. All of its velocity is c in the time direction. If you use the controller and then make it speed up, the spacetime length of its 4-vector velocity remains c, but the values of its components including time change. It speeds up its velocity in space while lowering its velocity through time, or from your perspective time dilates. In GR things still always have a 4-vector velocity with an invatiant length of c, but those acted on by gravity alone are deflected in their direction through spacetime to follow geodesics, whereas those acted on by real forces pick up a nonzero 4-vector acceleration from a nonzero 4-vector force which deflects their direction through spacetime off of geodesic motion.​

 

[waitedavid137]

Again Keep in mind, I have a broad understanding of physics, but I haven't committed to a model.
Would this method produce time dilation in its gravitational field? yes, I am hinting at time travel.

Or at least the dilation of time, to decrease the time necessary to get from a to b?

The time dilation part of the geodesic motion is part of the exact calculation of geodesic motion I already referenced as equation 7.1.20abc at
Electromagnetism

 

[Shadowprophet]

The time dilation part of the geodesic motion is part of the exact calculation of geodesic motion I already referenced as equation 7.1.20abc at
Electromagnetism

Thank you, I admit, I somehow managed to overlook that. I appreciate it bro.

 

[waitedavid137]

Maybe I missed it, How does one exactly avoid the entropy of Time dilation?

Also, Nutrino bombardment. I know, they will pass through not interacting, But at speeds like this, You are going to have collisions on par with a particle accelerator, Could this not harm a biological individual? I'm taking into account the Odd virtual particle or subatomic litter that could strike someone's chromosomes. How is this avoided?


I'm going on the assumption that if one is accelerating through space at great speeds they would encounter a lot more subatomic interaction. <--- an assumption Mostly a guess.

It sounds like you're referring to warp drive. The warp bubble tends to deflect geodesic paths of incoming particles around it. The radiation of space tends around it. Any that does enter is frame dragged in the same sense that brought the ship up to its warp speed and as such with a lapse function of 1 is merely as energetic as it would have been had the ship not gone into warp. The time dilation is determined by what is called the lapse function. The Alcubierre spacetime with it included can be written
ds² = A²dct² - (dZ-βfdct)² - dr² - r²dφ²
The time according to the remote observer t is related to time gone by according to the occupant τ by
dτ = A₀dt
where A₀ is the value of A at the location of the ship and A has the boundary condition that
A → 1 as z²+r² → ∞

 

[Shadowprophet]

It sounds like you're referring to warp drive. The warp bubble tends to deflect geodesic paths of incoming particles around it. The radiation of space tends around it. Any that does enter is frame dragged in the same sense that brought the ship up to its warp speed and as such with a lapse function of 1 is merely as energetic as it would have been had the ship not gone into warp. The time dilation is determined by what is called the lapse function. The Alcubierre spacetime with it included can be written
ds² = A²dct² - (dZ-βfdct)² - dr² - r²dφ²
The time according to the remote observer t is related to time gone by according to the occupant τ by
dτ = A₀dt
where A₀ is the value of A at the location of the ship and A has the boundary condition that
A → 1 as z²+r² → ∞

I'm basing my assumption on the personal belief that any object in motion will affect time dilation equal to its force and mass? Don't get me wrong, I could be applying things incorrectly here. What I am saying is, It's my assumption that Warp drive is FTL, That any Warp to be considered Warp would have to achieve FTL Since this won't do that, I was simply assuming to some degree Time dilatation and particle interferes could still occur. Still. This is just a point of curiosity, It's not a deal-breaker or anything

To be honest I can't find a clear answer as to what Warp speed would be.

 

[waitedavid137]

Will it move like UFO, by pushing itself against vacuum?

If the field across it is strong enough to observe the effect, my point is, yes.

 

[waitedavid137]

I'm basing my assumption on the personal belief that any object in motion will affect time dilation equal to its force and mass? Don't get me wrong, I could be applying things incorrectly here. What I am saying is, It's my assumption that Warp drive is FTL, That any Warp to be considered Warp would have to achieve FTL Since this won't do that, I was simply assuming to some degree Time dilatation and particle interferes could still occur. Still. This is just a point of curiosity, It's not a deal-breaker or anything

To be honest I can't find a clear answer as to what Warp speed would be.

Warp speed doesn't apply to the lifter discussion. It is not a warp drive and doesn't go FTL.
As for the warp drive discussion the warp speed in what was discussed was βc.

 

[Dejan Corovic]

If the field across it is strong enough to observe the effect, my point is, yes.

I am now going to do Hakka dance around my desk.

I was collecting and researching physical trace evidence proofs for existence of UFOs, should we say for 5+ years, and finally got noting less than General Relativity to confirm that UFOs are possible. Thank you @waitedavid137

 

[Shadowprophet]

Okay, I want to ask this question because curiosity demands it.

What would happen to a person's hand if they touched the gravitational field of a lifter? I am assuming they could not because they would be repulsed.


Also, Another nonsinsical blurb, Back to the future style hoverboards finally? lol Actually to give this question merit, What I mean is, Could this method be applied commercially in a practical way practical meaning, affordable

 

[waitedavid137]

Okay, I want to ask this question because curiosity demands it.

What would happen to a person's hand if they touched the gravitational field of a lifter? I am assuming they could not because they would be repulsed.


Also, Another nonsinsical blurb, Back to the future style hoverboards finally? lol Actually to give this question merit, What I mean is, Could this method be applied commercially in a practical way

Lifters we currently make, yield tiny gravity over most of the space. It order to get close enough for it to matter, you essentially have to touch it at which point you likely get shocked and only notice or care about having got zapped. The question is are you likely to get zapped by a UFO using this if you get too close. Travis Walton who I have crossed paths with a couple of times in Show Low may have answered that question.

 

[Dejan Corovic]

Lifters we currently make, yield tiny gravity over most of the space. It order to get close enough for it to matter, you essentially have to touch it at which point you likely get shocked and only notice or care about having got zapped. The question is are you likely to get zapped by a UFO using this if you get too close. Travis Walton who I have crossed paths with a couple of times in Show Low may have answered that question.

yeah, lets not mix in UFOs too much into this thread, because UFO evidence, although it includes strong physical evidence, is all over the place. For every 10 yes-es there are 10 no-s.

Getting physics right is far more important.

 

[Dejan Corovic]

@waitedavid137 tell us a bit about yourself. Do you teach physics at some university or GR is your hobby, like with @Thomas R. Morrison. What motivates you to study GR, which is really hard subject. Have you possibly seen a UFO or such, because small number of ppl here did?

 

[waitedavid137]

All I'm going to discuss about my history is that I have a master's degree in physics with an unusually high proficiency in general relativity. And to say that my interest stems from who my father was. He was near the head of space systems command at NORAD near the end of the Soviet union. Space system's command was a part of the air force that was essentially divided off and renamed space force by Trump. As such he had the need to know. At the time he hinted a lot to me spurring an interest in not if they can get here, but how do they get here. About a decade after he retired, he directly divulged a lot to me.

 

[Dejan Corovic]

Don't know about secrecy too much . There is quite a lot about NORAD in public domain and on the Internet. And few of us here are devoted to reverse engineering UFO propulsion, so please DO NOT tell us, so not to spoil the plot

There is a webpage somewhere with a Congressional report with a full breakdown of NORAD's capabilities. Basically NORAD can track football size objects, with telescopes and radars, from a geostationary orbit all the way down to one's backyard. So it's only natural that they would be in the loop. Radars followed all the Apollo space program crafts to the Moon and back, so relatively speaking, that's standard issue tech. Just with simple understanding of technology and some cross-referencing of various UFO stories that nobody pays attention to, one can learn that NORAD 1) Tracks UFOs, 2) actively distributes information to allies if UFO is going to land inside their territory, 3) sends teams to monitor and clean up. But, general public would never believe that, anyway.

One interesting thing that comes from the fact that NORAD distributes UFO paths to allies is that means that UFOs actually fly along ballistic paths towards the Earth. That sageways into other research that suggests that UFOs arrive and leave Earth when Moon is in certain position so that Moon's gravity help reduce energy required. I forgot how it works, but basically on arrival UFOs use Moon for braking, and on leaving UFOs use Moon for accelerating them out of Earth's gravity field. It somehow suggests that UFOs are not steerable, kind off, don't have propulsion as such and are just launched in a certain direction and follow inertial paths, more or less like satellites do. Just some observations.

 

[Shadowprophet]

All I'm going to discuss about my history is that I have a master's degree in physics with an unusually high proficiency in general relativity. And to say that my interest stems from who my father was. He was near the head of space systems command at NORAD near the end of the Soviet union. Space system's command was a part of the air force that was essentially divided off and renamed space force by Trump. As such he had the need to know. At the time he hinted a lot to me spurring an interest in not if they can get here, but how do they get here. About a decade after he retired, he directly divulged a lot to me.

Again I may have missed it, How have you overcome the power supply problem I assume it's still external? Some sort of HV cable? I can't imagine a self-sustained integrated onboard power supply for this that we could achieve with current technology That could produce enough consistent voltage to lift the whole craft and power supply and still possess a viable application.

 

[Dejan Corovic]

Again I may have missed it, How have you overcome the power supply problem I assume it's still external? Some sort of HV cable? I can't imagine a self-sustained integrated onboard power supply for this that we could achieve with current technology

If it was a static electric field, than all you need is capacitor. There is very little power moving about, one just turns it on and off. Contrary to that, if it was time varying electric field, that would need huge power, because one would be constantly pushing and pulling. Power is not a major issue, since one can make quite small fission reactors, since 60s and 70s. It's more about materials.

 

[Shadowprophet]

If it was a static electric field, than all you need is capacitor. There is very little power moving about, one just turns it on and off. Contrary to that, if it was time varying electric field, that would need huge power, because one would be constantly pushing and pulling. Power is not a major issue, since one can make quite small fission reactors, since 60s and 70s. It's more about materials.

Huh, One really does learn something new every day, Thanks bro

 

[waitedavid137]

Again I may have missed it, How have you overcome the power supply problem I assume it's still external? Some sort of HV cable? I can't imagine a self-sustained integrated onboard power supply for this that we could achieve with current technology That could produce enough consistent voltage to lift the whole craft and power supply and still possess a viable application.

To produce significant acceleration, no, not with power accessible to todays tech that I can tell. There is nearly limitless power all around us, but the general public has yet to realize that it might be used so much as thought about how to do it. How do you mine the energy of dark matter for example when you're still not even sure how to directly interact with it, or use the incredible amount of dark energy all around you when you barely even know what it is?

 

[Shadowprophet]

To produce significant acceleration, no, not with power accessible to todays tech that I can tell. There is nearly limitless power all around us, but the general public has yet to realize that it might be used so much as thought about how to do it. How do you mine the energy of dark matter for example when you're still not even sure how to directly interact with it, or use the incredible amount of dark energy all around you when you barely even know what it is?

Best answer ever, Yes, I believe fully eventually such technology will be possible. But then I'm a Kardashev scale believer, I believe the more power we can harness and efficiently use then anything could be possible.